2017 Pod’s Picks & Pans — First Base & Third Base
Yesterday, I shared my picks and pans at the catcher position by comparing my ranks to the consensus ranks after excluding my own. Continuing through the infield, we’ll combine first and third base together so I can finish these before the season begins. These were the March updated first base rankings and here are the third base rankings.
Unlike catchers, I’m going to restrict my picks to those that made my top 20 and my pans to those that made the consensus top 20.
| NAME | Mike | RG Consensus | Diff |
|---|---|---|---|
| Miguel Cabrera | 2 | 3 | -1 |
| Eric Thames | 17 | 23 | -6 |
| NAME | Mike | RG Consensus | Diff |
|---|---|---|---|
| Manny Machado | 2 | 3 | -1 |
| Justin Turner | 11 | 16 | -5 |
| Todd Frazier | 7 | 9 | -2 |
It’s a bit shocking to me that I was the only ranker to place Miguel Cabrera number two. There were two 3s and three 4s! He finished tied for second in value last year and I think the gap between he and the rest of the pack will widen. Father time will come at some point, but after a two season power slide, he has quelled concerns that the power was in decline.
Okay, so we’re all just wildly guessing what Eric Thames is going to do this year, but my projections are much closer to the Fans than the crazy optimistic Steamer forecasts, and yet I’m still more bullish than four of the five other rankers. He showed both power and speed in the KBO and was a respectable prospect when in the Majors. He’ll be in a great park for hitters, on a team that loves to run. He has a real chance of finishing in the top 10.
How am I the only one to rank Manny Machado second among third basemen?! While his steals total fell to a big fat zero, what I love here is that he doesn’t require an inflated BABIP to contribute positive value in batting average, nor does he need a huge HR/FB rate to reach the mid-30 home run level. That means that with a bit of extra luck, there’s easily a .300+, 40 homer season in that bat. While every player has an upside level, it’s not so easy to identify in first rounders. We assume these guys are essentially at their peak, and though Machado likely is, there’s more upside here than meets the eye. That’s not why he’s ranked second, of course, but just a little bonus.
I questioned why Justin Turner was so undervalued after snatching him up in the super early LABR mixed draft, asking “How much longer does Justin Turner have to perform at this level for people to realize this is real?” Sure, he’s 32 and has just reached 600 plate appearances for the first time last year. But there should be no questioning of his performance rates.
I didn’t realize I was valuing Todd Frazier higher than others until I bought him for what I perceived to be a bargain at my local mixed league auction on Sunday. Sure, his batted ball profile has become disgusting with few line drives and tons of pop-ups, which will cap his batting average, but 30 homers is a lock and he has swiped bases in the teens for three straight seasons now. The floor here should be 30-10, with strong RBI and runs scored totals. He’s a four category guy and he hasn’t always been a batting average sinkhole.
| NAME | Mike | RG Consensus | Diff |
|---|---|---|---|
| Edwin Encarnacion | 9 | 6 | 3 |
| Wil Myers | 19 | 13 | 6 |
| NAME | Mike | RG Consensus | Diff |
|---|---|---|---|
| Matt Carpenter | 12 | 8 | 4 |
| Kris Bryant | 3 | 2 | 1 |
Edwin Encarnacion finished fourth in value among first basemen last year, but now he moves from a home run friendly Rogers Centre sporting a 107 right-handed home run park factor to a pitcher friendly Progressive Field, with a 95 factor. That’s quite the swing, and yet it’s seemingly being ignored by fantasy owners all around the world. Heck, he just went for an absurd $38 in my local league auction, which was just $2 less than I got Nolan Arenado for! Obviously, crazy things happen at auctions and that doesn’t necessarily mean his new owner things Encarnacion is just barely worse than Arenado, but it does suggest that the park and team switch don’t seem to be affecting his perceived value. It should. He’s also 34 years old and coming off a career high HR/FB rate.
By golly, our Wil Myers rankings are all over the place. The most bullish ranker is at nine and I’m at 19! That’s quite a difference. It’s funny to go from such a Myers fan heading into 2016, him actually meeting and even exceeded my lofty hopes and dreams, and then reversing course and being bearish. It’s all about value though and I simply think he’s massively overvalued this season. His xHR/FB rate was barely higher than in 2015, yet his actual HR/FB rate spiked to a new career high. Oh, and then there’s the fact that he attempted 13 more steals last season in about two-thirds the plate appearances than he had during his previous three seasons combined. Yes, the Padres ran a lot, but will they do so again at that pace and will Myers specifically run wild again? Given his history, it’s hard to be so optimistic. Last, he’s not going to help your batting average and he hits in a weak lineup.
I’m honestly surprised that I’m apparently bearish on Matt Carpenter. I thought I liked him! In fact, I’m quite a bit more bullish than Steamer and ZiPS, though not as much as the significantly more bullish Fans projections. And I’m actually forecasting the highest batting average of the three projection sets! So I really can’t figure out what’s causing the rankings gap, unless it’s just a group of players all within a buck or so of each other and he just ended up at the end of it.
On the surface, it would seem there’s no way you could rank Machado ahead of Kris Bryant because the latter is essentially the former, but with more steals. The issue is that his batting average is on far more fragile ground than you might think. An extreme fly ball hitter who does hit his share of pop-ups doesn’t normally post inflated BABIP marks over .330. His xBABIP was just .305, suggesting the potential for real BABIP and batting average downside. I’m actually more bullish on the homers than Steamer and ZiPS, but a .271 batting average projection is dragging down his ranking and why I prefer Machado (though probably by a minor amount).
Mike Podhorzer is the founder of ProjectingX IQ, an advanced fantasy baseball analytics platform that transforms projection data and in-season performance signals into actionable intelligence. He is the 2015 Fantasy Sports Writers Association Baseball Writer of the Year and three-time Tout Wars champion. He is the author of the eBook Projecting X 2.0: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance, which teaches you how to project players yourself. Follow Mike on X@MikePodhorzer and contact him via email.
Not sure the park will effect Encarnacion too much. According to ESPN’s Home Run Tracker he had the most no-doubter homers last year at 20, and an average HR distance of around 410ft.
He hit most of his homers to LF, which is 325ft at Progressive Field. I don’t know if any of his home runs from 2016 would not still be home runs in Cleveland.
http://www.hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2016_612&type=hitter
Home Run Tracker is pretty useless. The sample size is too small and ignores all non-home run fly balls. Plus, you can’t just look at landing spots since you don’t know how much weather/atmospheric effects played a role. The bottom line is he moves from a top hitter’s park to a pitcher’s park and is 34 years old. That screams regression.
Where are you getting the park factor from? On EE’s Fangraphs player profile it lists Progressive Field as a 104 HR factor, which is higher than Rogers Centre at 102.
I don’t want to nitpick but the ESPN graph of the landing spots actually shows their calculated “True Distance”, which does take into account wind, temperature, and altitude.
But yes, he is getting older. I guess I just put more stock in a guy who has been the picture of consistency in the last four years, with a HR/FB rate around 18-20% since 2012
Park Factors from right here on FanGraphs, in the Guts! page. 2016 still isn’t showing, so was looking at 2015.
My projection is nearly identical to the Depth Charts, so I’m definitely not forecasting anything wildly different.
Hi Mike,
I bet your biggest pan (by rank difference x “impact”) will be Harper at 12.
As an OF, you have Bryant 4th and Harper 12th. But speaking of Bryant’s downside, and considering that we just saw Harper’s downside and it was still awesome… are you sticking by that?
I’m with you — I just traded Harper for Bryant in an NL-only keeper — but this talk of downside has me second guessing myself.
Yes, Harper will appear on my OF list as a pan! How was Harper’s downside “awesome”? For fantasy, he offset his disappointing season because of all those steals. But that seemed fluky. If there are no salaries involved and you just want the best player, of course you want Bryant now since he’s the safer choice.
in an OBP or OPS or FGpts league it was awesome.
(I’m surprised a sabermetric site like FG/RG doesn’t openly lobby people to move away from 5×5.)
it was my bad to say it was awesome without qualifying statement.
Thames will PLAY 1B, but is he actually eligible there? Every league I’ve seen has him OF only, his last MLB position.
He was on our rankings list as 1B, so I assume that means he qualifies there in Yahoo leagues, which is where our eligibility was taken from.
In my home league, our rules state the last league he played in, which was KBO, in which he played 1B. So that’s where I made him eligible in my home league.
Don’t leagues generally have in-season rules for eligibility? My leagues are 5-10 games depending on the league….seems he’ll get there pretty quick. I think the bigger question is whether he should carry OF eligibility, since he likely won’t play there at all.
Also, does ANYONE have a projection on Jae-Gyun Hwang? Mike?
I certainly do, available in the Pod Projections linked to in my signature!
$9.99! That’s outrageous…ly fair price for such a detailed piece of work. Thanks.
Ha, love it. And I used Hwang’s KBO stats, converted everything into rates and projected from there. So there were some real educated guesses behind the forecasts! If real interested, I posted about my process and results for Park and Kim last year
KBO Projecting Process:
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/projecting-byung-ho-park-and-hyun-soo-kim-the-process/
KBO Projection Results:
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/projecting-byung-ho-park-and-hyun-soo-kim-the-results/
Who would you target based on Yahoo draft ranking and Auction Calculator (Depth Charts) Auction Values for a 10 team OBP h2h league:
1B
21 Votto $32.8
27 Freeman $28.1
29 Encarnacion $28.1
43 Abreu $21.4
53 Myers $21.4
58 C Davis $29.4
59 Hanley $26
87 Santana $30.5
98 Pujols $20.8
3B
44 Seager $16.9
48 Beltre $13.4
69 Frazier $21.4
72 Carpenter $15.2
75 Longoria $17.3
80 Rendon $12.2
88 Turner $9.2
92 Bregman $12.4
127 Franco $12.8
144 Sano $19.8
147 Lamb $4.8
What do you mean by target?
Well it’s a snake draft and the Yahoo rankings don’t account for OBP, so it seems like there is some exploitations to be had. For example, I remember that you were a big fan of Sano in an OBP format last season and this year he’s ranked 144 by Yahoo yet looks to be projected as the 6th best 3B in OBP. For 1B, Santana seems like an insane value at 87.
I’m also a little worried that I’m going to put all of my eggs in one basket and end up reaching for guys like Sano and Santana and passing up good value in reasonably priced guys like Freeman or Rendon.
It’s hard because you won’t have a relevant ADP to stop you from taking guys like Sano and Santana too early. What I’d do is have everyone’s overall OBP rank on your sheet, their Yahoo rank next to it and from the auction calculator, perhaps compare the dollars earned from OBP versus AVG (run again using AVG) and highlight the guys earning much more using OBP versus AVG. Also do the opposite way, who will earn less.
Then for the guys earning much more for OBP vs AVG, draft like perhaps 2 rounds earlier than their Yahoo rank to ensure another team doesn’t steal that guy at good value. You don’t want to know Sano is a top 60 guy, but then miss him because you waited until pick 141. Even at pick 110, that’s nice profit.
Thanks Mike,
Yeah I’m currently working and updating an excel spreadsheet with everything you mentioned (a couple different Auction Values) plus Eno/consensus pitching ranks. For once I’m trying not to have a strategy and just let the chips fall where they fall.
Strategy – accumulate as much value as possible by drafting whoever falls to you that’s undervalued! As simple as that. Welllll, and for me, perhaps draft one strong starter, and then wait until round 10 or so for my next pitcher.