Third Base Tiers: March Edition

It’s rather jarring to one’s sensibilities, regardless how delicate, to have a thought occur to you that goes something like “Kyle Seager isn’t that much different from Evan Longoria, and might even be better.” But indeed, that’s what recently ran through my brain, or what’s left of it after years of fermented grain based beverages. But I digress. Tiering the hot corner isn’t as cut-and-dried as it used to be, and there are very small degrees of separation throughout.

The first tier is deeply dependent on how your system treats eligibility — because to my knowledge Miguel Cabrera does not qualify in leagues such as CBS or ESPN, however does qualify at third base in Yahoo!, thus earning the exclamation point. And as a general disclaimer, these tiers are in a general sense more for those of you in standard 5×5 rotisserie leagues.

Tier of Yahoo Generosity

Miguel Cabrera

If you’re playing in a Yahoo league, Miggy is the obvious leader of the pack, despite whatever injury risk you might perceive him to have. Almost any reasonable projection system has him hitting .310 or better, hitting around 30 home runs, scoring around 90+ runs, and driving in over 100. You can’t absolutely take that to the bank, but if he’s on the field, he’s about the surest .300/30/90/100 you’ll find.

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Tier One in Reality

Josh Donaldson, Anthony Rendon

I know there are many of you who would hold Rendon in higher regard than Donaldson for a great many valid reasons, so you just go right ahead and transpose those two names should you wish. I just have a hunch, yes, I said a hunch, based on nothing more than the general stupidity of my personal instincts and somewhat doughy gut that Donaldson is going to have a big year. This flies in the face of prognosticators saying he had a power outage in the second half last year, which I think is hogwash. He in fact saw his slugging percentage go up, hitting 18 doubles in just 66 games versus 13 over 92 first half games. Yes, he hit “just” nine home runs after his torrid April and May, but pshaw. He moves to a friendlier place for right handed power hitters, slots somewhere between or behind Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion, and I’m just generally jazzed about what he’s going to do in Toronto.

Rendon, just 24, is kind of the golden boy of fantasy baseball this year — frequently getting snapped up early in the second round, and managers relying on some growth over his terrific 2014 which saw him hit .287, with 21 home runs, 17 stolen bases, 111 runs, and 83 RBI. I’m pretty suspicious of the stolen bases, and most of the projections appear to dial that back to 10 or so. In general, I often treat the youngsters the way I treat a classic game of 8-ball — drop one on the break, you still need to prove it. That’s for better or for worse, because Rendon could certainly build on his success.

Tier Two

Adrian Beltre, Nolan Arenado, Evan Longoria

Beltre turns 36 in April, and after hitting 98 home runs and driving in 299 runs between 2011 and 2013, his production fell to 19 home runs and 77 RBI in 2014. He still hits for average though, most projection systems see him hitting 20+ home runs, and if he stays off the trainers table, he ought to fall into close to 90 RBI.

Arenado is kind of Beltre waiting in the wings, also known of his great defense. But for fantasy purposes, he hits for a solid average (if he cuts his IFFB rate below that unseemly 15.2%, he could easily hit over .300), he was on pace for about 25 home runs in 2014, and depending on where he’s slotted in the Rockies lineup, he ought to register 80+ in runs and RBI. Still just 23, Arenado likely has bigger years in front of him.

Longoria could find himself up or down a tier after the first couple months of 2015. In a season where he played in every game, it’s hard to believe he hit just 22 home runs. His home run per fly ball rate was a career worst 10.8% (15.4% career average), his swinging strike was at its highest since his rookie campaign, and he chased balls outside of the strike zone at a rate far above normal by his career standards (31.6% O-Swing vs. 27% career). Still, Longoria is expected to hit mid-20’s HR, bat about .260, and sit in the 80’s, even 90’s in runs/RBI. For that reason, he’s not a huge downgrade over the two in front of him here.

Tier Three

Pablo Sandoval, Kyle Seager, Todd Frazier, Carlos Santana, David Wright, Josh Harrison, Manny Machado

I honestly like Sandoval in the draft this year — his ADP sits in the 160’s, and this for a guy who ought to be good for a .290 batting average, flirt with 20 home runs, and he should drive in 80+ and score 70+ runs. That’s pretty solid. And in fact, that looks a heck of a lot like what Kyle Seager should do this season, but add a few home runs to Sandoval’s projection, toss in a handful of stolen bases, but knock the batting average down in the .260’s. Still, pretty solid production.

Frazier no doubt had a terrific breakout 2014, but most prognosticators see him coming back to Earth a bit in 2015. Yes, his production fell in the second half last year, but that doesn’t allow us to ignore the first half, does it? August Fagerstrom has written extensively on Frazier recently, and I’d suggest you go read this and this if you want a full meal deal presentation on how he did what he did. But if he hits as projected — .250 with 21 home runs, runs and RBI in the 60’s and 11 steals, that’s not particularly thrilling, but still nice.

Tier Four

Ryan ZimmermanChris Davis, Kris Bryant

Obviously, Kris Bryant is a unique talent, and he’s getting snapped up around 100th despite the fact that it still appears he might start the season in the minors. Once he arrives, sparks are likely to fly, and the only concern in fantasy circles is what the strikeout rate might do to his batting average. But he could very well shoot up to tier two pretty quickly.

Most are betting Chris Davis returns to hitting 30-plus home runs, and if you can stomach a pretty rotten batting average, he should check off three boxes quite nicely. Zimmerman has warts you already know about, but does enough in at least three categories to merit a place on a roster.

Tier Five

Pedro Alvarez, Matt Carpenter, Brett Lawrie, Aramis Ramirez, TREVOR PLOUFFE FTW Martin Prado, Chase Headley, Nick Castellanos, Marcus Semien, Yasmany Tomas

Of the group, I actually like Brett Lawrie the most as I could see him get back to possibly flirting with 20 home runs and double digit steals if he can stay healthy in Oakland. Semien might do the same all while batting .240. If you’re dying for power, Pedro Alvarez is your choice. Hard to know when we’ll see Tomas.

The Rest

Mike Moustakas, Chris Johnson, Will Middlebrooks, David Freese, Lonnie Chisenhall, Maikel Franco, Luis Valbuena, Casey McGehee, Alex Rodriguez, Brock Holt

Hopefully you don’t need to roster any of these guys. I’ve got Bogaerts as a shortstop, FYI. So it goes.





Michael was born in Massachusetts and grew up in the Seattle area but had nothing to do with the Heathcliff Slocumb trade although Boston fans are welcome to thank him. You can find him on twitter at @michaelcbarr.

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shibboleth
11 years ago

This is the year Pedro goes 40.

Worth mentioning that Santana makes an appearance in the Yahoo Generosity tier for Catchers, which means he’s probably long gone before his 3B tier comes into play.

Vin
11 years ago

Is there a way to better sort for these “[Position] Tier” posts. The search functionality is poor.

Jay29
11 years ago
Reply to  Vin

Google.

Brian
11 years ago

I would personally move Davis and Santana up a tier.

dingus
11 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Hearty ‘second’ on those two.

Cason Jolette
11 years ago

Which combination would you rather have:

Donaldson/Marte/Kipnis

Rendon/Arenado/Soler

SF Draft Talk
11 years ago
Reply to  Cason Jolette

second one

Kreeger
11 years ago
Reply to  Cason Jolette

First one and it isn’t even close. Second one has all of 15 stolen bases, whereas the first pushes 70. Marte should outperform Rendon in avg, Donaldson will outperform Soler in avg, and Kipnis will be close to Arenado. Group two has slightly more power but they’re pretty comparable. Group two won’t necessarily get more rbi because Marte is hitting 5th now. Group one will dominate runs. Rendon and Arenado have as many injury concerns as Marte and Kipnis but Donaldson is far more proven than Soler. Not even close. Group one.

Kreeger
11 years ago
Reply to  Kreeger

Group one will also be easier to draft. Rendon goes in the 2nd Round. Donaldson goes third round and leaves you to draft someone better in the 2nd. Not even close.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
11 years ago

Where is Plouffe? 112 wRC+ last year is better than Panda, Pedro, Longo, Headley, Wright, Prado…he’s a pretty big oversight.

scott
11 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

I agree.. surprised to not see Plouffe on this list. Does everyone assume Sano will take his job by midseason?

vivalajeter
11 years ago
Reply to  scott

He entered the 2014 season with a career WAR below 0 in about 350 games. His best year was 0.5 WAR in 119 games. He never scored many runs, never drove in many runs, doesn’t steal bases, and had a shitty batting average. And if your league counts K’s, he never fared well in that category either. The one bright spot was 24 HR in 2012, but that was dragged down by every other category (including a .235 average). I don’t think he’s a pretty big oversight just because he had a pretty decent (but not great) year last year.

pudieron89
11 years ago
Reply to  scott

who cares about WAR? this is fantasy we only care about his offense, and he has been fantasy relevant in 10-12 teamers for a while now.

vivalajeter
11 years ago
Reply to  scott

I started with WAR to show that he wasn’t a good player heading into last year. I then pointed out runs, rbi, sb and batting average in the next sentence, to show that his poor WAR was also indicative of his fantasy relevance. He’s not one of those guys who hurts a team in real life, but helps in fantasy.

I’ve been in two leagues over the last 15 years or so. One is 10 teams, the other is 12. I just looked at the Draft Results for the last several years in both leagues. Plouffe wasn’t drafted in either league, ever. Not even this year. I don’t know a quick way to see how long he was on someone’s roster each year as a waiver wire pickup, but he’s never been relevant in a league that I’ve been in.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
11 years ago
Reply to  scott

So you’re telling me Plouffe isn’t worth mentioning but these guys are? I’d take him over any of them except maybe Valbuena.

“Mike Moustakas, Chris Johnson, Will Middlebrooks, David Freese, Lonnie Chisenhall, Maikel Franco, Luis Valbuena, Casey McGehee, Alex Rodriguez, Brock Holt”

He’s had two fantasy-relevant seasons in the last 3, he’s only 28 y/o, starter with Sano not quite knocking down the door yet.

vivalajeter
11 years ago
Reply to  scott

If you want to mention him at the bottom of the page, then I’m fine with that. Of course, those guys had the write-up of “Hopefully you don’t need to roster any of these guys.”

When I look at the End of Season Rankings over the last 3 years, it looks to me like 2014 is the only time he was relevant, when he was ranked as the #10 third baseman. So he was at the very back end of should-be starters in his best year. In 2013, he was listed as the 28th 3B and was worth -$5 (yes, negative). In 2012, despite 24 HR, he was listed as the 31st 3B and was worth -$2 (yes, negative again).

I wouldn’t have a problem if he was mentioned, but I don’t think it’s a pretty big oversight that he’s not mentioned. Then again, since I play in 10-12 team leagues I don’t really worry about the lower-tier players because they most likely won’t ever make it onto my team anyway. If he ends up in my line-up at any point this year in either league, I’ll just be pissed that Longoria and/or Wright got hurt.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
11 years ago
Reply to  scott

If only the top 10-12 players at any given position were relevant, league player pools would be a lot smaller. Injuries, lack of depth, all of these are real concerns in fantasy which leads to not-bad teams rostering not-great players. Guess we’ll see if he strings together his second quality year in a row. I’m betting on him.

Unthought_Known
11 years ago
Reply to  scott

That’s a lot of talk about a waiver-wire type of player that might never get a single at bat in most leagues. Personally, I look past the top 10-12, but Plouffe isn’t projected to be close to that tier. ESPN ranks him as the 25th best 3B, and their live drafts have him going 24th (and owned in less than 5% of leagues). Rotographs ranks him as the 22nd best 3B.

I get that people have their own sleepers, and he might be a worthwhile flyer with your last pick. In most leagues though, I’d expect him to spend the beginning of the year on waivers, and only get picked up if there are a bunch of injuries or he gets off to a stellar start.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
11 years ago
Reply to  scott

Gosh I’m so sorry for discussing a 3B sleeper! Didn’t mean to waste the time of those compelled to read every comment on FG.

Kman
11 years ago

Why does everyone assume a rotten batting avg from Chris Davis? Is it the stereotype of the high power high strikeout hitter? Before last year Davis supplied an above average avg due to high babips that seemed to be a sustainable skill until last year happened. If part of his bounceback is a partial return of the BABIP, an avg of 250-260 should be within reach

stuck in a slump
11 years ago
Reply to  Kman

The league’s non-pitchers hit .255/.318/.393. So even if he hits .241-.250, is it really that terrible of a batting average? Especially if league offense continues to drop.

admarshall2Member since 2016
11 years ago

– “Semien might do the same all while batting .340.”

I just picked him up in a dynasty league, so if this is a typo, please wait a couple of hours for me to circulate this link and field trade offers before you correct it.

Jason BMember since 2017
11 years ago
Reply to  admarshall2

Agreed, I was just coming to post the same. Apparently he’s a modern day Wade Boggs!

(Or, insert comment about hyping Oakland and Billy Beane herp de derp)

Scotttttt
11 years ago

Well, I picked up Bryant at the end of last year and put him on my roster so that I would have the opportunity to keep him this year. I traded and got a first round pick last year as well. So I have two first round picks and Bryant on my roster. Am I crazy to keep him? I don’t know. But I think I’m going to.

Kman
11 years ago

I’m going against the grain here but I’d actually swap your tiers 3 and 4 due to much higher upside in tier four, albeit much more risk too

vivalajeter
11 years ago
Reply to  Kman

I’m pretty bullish on Wright this year though, so I wouldn’t knock him down to tier 4. I could potentially see that before Spring Training started, because of the injury risk and whether his shoulder had healed. But he’s already hit a HR to dead center, and to RF, which I don’t think he did a single time last year.

Considering he had the second best WAR per game in 2012/2013 (behind Trout, obviously), he’s seemingly healthy, and he contributes in every category, I think there’s plenty of upside with him.

RainmakerMember since 2016
11 years ago

Yeah, Carlos Santana is easily up a tier. If he wasn’t already the Top C option in my league, I’d have him as the Top 3B option.

Shawnuel
11 years ago

I’m sure he meant .240 for Semien

PJ
11 years ago

Everyone keeps sleeping on ARod….Valbuena is a great sleeper too