Snake Draft Strategy: The Cheapest Pitching Staff Possible

I have always been tempted to draft as cheap a pitching staff as possible, though I have never used this strategy before in a mock draft or a real one. In an auction, this strategy is simply called the $9 pitching staff. In a snake draft, you would draft all your hitters in rounds 1-14 and then fill out your pitching staff over the remaining 9 rounds. Unfortunately, the $9 pitching staff auction strategy will put you at a severe disadvantage versus your competitors who are all likely spending at least $55 more than you on pitching. However, a straight draft puts teams on a much more even playing field, so although your rotation would likely be worse than the rest of your leaguemates’, the difference would not be as large as it would be in an auction league. So let us use actual average draft position data from CBS Sports leagues to construct a cheap pitching staff.

We will assume a 12-team mixed league that requires 9 pitchers and weekly transactions with no innings cap. I can only select a pitcher with an ADP in that round or a later round, so if I am in round 17, I cannot draft a pitcher with an ADP of round 15. I have decided to just draft starting pitchers for this exercise as it would be more informative to ignore relievers. I will begin by looking at pitchers with an ADP starting from 169.

Round 15 Pick – Ricky Nolasco (ADP: 181, Rd 16)

Nolasco is the anti-Matt Cain, continuing to boggle the minds of sabermetricians everywhere by annually underperforming his skills. Returning from knee surgery that ended his 2010 season prematurely and getting a late start in spring training due to a thumb injury, he is not without risk. But pitchers who regularly post a K/BB ratio of 4.3 and strikeout rate of around 8.0 or higher have no business putting up an ERA of 4.50+. Nolasco may very well prove in time that he is one of the exceptions and his ERA will never meet his xFIP, but since we simply do not know, I will continue to bet on the underlying skills winning out.

Round 16 Pick – Hiroki Kuroda (193, Rd 17)

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I fail to understand why this man gets no respect. In his three seasons with the Dodgers, he has never posted an ERA above 3.76 or a WHIP above 1.22. His FIP and xFIP are both pretty close to his actual ERA and his skills are very solid. His strikeout rate has even climbed each year, which pairs quite well with his 50% ground ball rate. He is even working on improving his curve ball, a pitch he threw a miniscule 0.2% of the time last season. The potential for a fourth strong pitch in his arsenal only adds to his positive outlook.

Round 17 Pick – Ian Kennedy (194, Round 17)

Kennedy was a bit lucky last year with a .256 BABIP, but a bullpen that has to be better than last year should result in more than the 9 wins he racked up in 2010. Fly balls will probably always be an issue, and he does not pitch in a forgiving home ball park, but he does have good control and above average strikeout ability.

Round 18 Pick – Edwin Jackson (211, Round 18)

Chris Cwik brought Jackson’s second half to your attention yesterday. Aside from the fantastic strikeout and walk numbers Jackson posted with the White Sox, he also increased his velocity on all of his pitches. His fastball jumped from 94.0 MPH to 95.3 MPH. Now whether it was a calibration/stadium issue or just another result of Don Cooper’s teachings, we cannot be sure. But he is certainly going late enough in drafts to take the risk to find out. Either way, the skills point to a completely changed pitcher and one who may finally enjoy that true breakout season fully supported by his peripherals (as compared to his luck-fueled “breakout” of 2009).

Round 19 Pick – Jordan Zimmermann (229, Round 20)

Zimmermann came back from Tommy John Surgery last season and threw a total of 70.2 innings, 31 of which were with the Nationals. Though the ERA did not show it, his return was a success. Looking back at his rookie season in 2009, Zimmermann posted an impressive 3.39 xFIP, driven by about a strikeout per inning and excellent control. Last year he did lose about a mile per hour off his fastball, so it will be worth monitoring to see if he regains that missing velocity after an off-season of rest. Though I expect strong results when he is on the mound, he has not pitched more than 100 innings in a season since 2008, and even then he only threw 134. It might be wise to expect no more than 150 from him this year, so plan for his spot to get skipped every so often.

Round 20 Pick – Jorge de la Rosa (232, Round 20)

It is never easy to recommend a Colorado pitcher, especially when his name is not Ubaldo. De la Rosa is another starter in the mold of Ricky Nolasco who continues to confound stat geeks and underperform his skills. At the very least, he should keep piling up the strikeouts as his SwStr% has been at least 10.4% in each of the last three seasons. The increased ground ball rate last year is an exciting sign, because if it is sustained, his skills would look eerily similar to none other than that rotation-mate whose name actually is Ubaldo.

Round 21 Pick – Scott Baker (257, Round 22)

It was quite the surprise when suddenly Baker was battling Kevin Slowey for the Twins final rotation spot. Given his solid spring, it is likely that Baker has won this strange competition. If nothing else, it made him undervalued in drafts this year. As an extreme fly ball pitcher, home runs will always be a problem. However, pinpoint control and an above average strikeout rate should ensure that at the very least he posts a good WHIP, assuming the BABIP monster does not bite him again.

Round 22 Pick – Mike Minor (255, Round 22)

I first discussed Minor as a $1 option a week ago, and it would be a surprise if he did not open the season as the Braves fifth starter. And to prove that I practice what I preach, I happily landed him in the reserve round of my local auction league draft yesterday.

Round 23 Pick – Homer Bailey (285, Round 24)

Is this finally the year? It could very well be. Last season over 109 innings, Bailey posted the highest strikeout rate of his short career and improved his control to acceptable territory. He even managed to post both a FIP and xFIP below 4.00 for the first time. He looks even more intriguing if we throw out his April and May performance before he was demoted to the minors. After he returned, he posted a 3.55 ERA with a 9.1 K/9 and 2.9 BB/9.

Is this a risky staff? You bet! But it is also one with a ton of upside. And remember, given that you drafted all your hitting first, you should have the top offense in your league going into the season. Since it is much easier to find pitching on free agency during the year, this is a strategy worth investigating.





Mike Podhorzer is the founder of ProjectingX IQ, an advanced fantasy baseball analytics platform that transforms projection data and in-season performance signals into actionable intelligence. He is the 2015 Fantasy Sports Writers Association Baseball Writer of the Year and three-time Tout Wars champion. He is the author of the eBook Projecting X 2.0: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance, which teaches you how to project players yourself. Follow Mike on X@MikePodhorzer and contact him via email.

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Jason
15 years ago

If this is roto, you’re going to end up having a tough time doing above average in Ks and might have a WHIP problem. Ws are fluky, and it’d be about average in ERA. I could see this working if you’re really on top of your game to grab the guys that have higher K/9s when you can.

Mark
15 years ago
Reply to  Jason

Not sure I agree with that. I could see this staff being at least average in K’s, and though I’d be a bit more worried about WHIP I could see average there too. The only real K worries are Kuroda and Baker (who serve as good WHIP balancers), everyone else has the potential for 8.00+ K/9, and outside of Kennedy and maybe Bailey I’d even call it likely in most cases. I wouldn’t expect to be in the 10-12 range in any pitching categories but middle of the pack across the board is very plausible.

Jason
15 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I’m not going that far to think that all of those guys are going to have 8 K/9. It’s possible, but I think that’s the point, you’re taking a lot of risk and HOPING that these happen. I’d much rather just take a guy that’s known to do so, than hope ALL of them reach that rate

Mark
15 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Here are the Marcel projections for each

Nolasco: 8.60
Kuroda: 6.92
Kennedy: 7.73
Jackson: 6.92
Baker: 7.42
Zimmermann: 8.36
De La Rosa: 8.67
Minor: 8.29
Bailey: 7.71

That might come out a bit below average if they all hit exactly those marks and that’s your exact staff for the year, but it probably wouldn’t be last in the league and you could pretty easily supplement them with some wire additions and high-K middle relievers. Plus at least three of those projections are fairly conservative (Jackson, Minor, Bailey)–those three guys all have strikeout ceilings much higher than their projections and it really just takes a hit with one of them to make this staff more than passable in K’s. Even if you get a hit and a bust out of that group, you drop the bust even for a guy who doesn’t help you a ton in K’s but you still have the hit.

I’m not entirely disagreeing with you that its not a strategy that I would pursue as a first choice, but if I find something about the offensive cats undervalued on draft day I might be willing to go this direction. I basically did in an OBP/QS 5×5 draft in which I found BB% extremely undervalued and especially when it mitigated the risk of low average types like Bautista and Stanton. So I would up with an SP staff of Liriano, Morrow, Nolasco, Hellickson, Chacin, Shields, Zimmermann, Minor. Granted that’s mostly guys at least a bit earlier than above, its a bunch of upside fliers and I’m pretty comfortable with it (though there is quite a bit more strikeout upside and more WHIP risk).

Bobby A
15 years ago

I haven’t been hearing much on Aaron Harang. How’s he doing?

Jason B
15 years ago
Reply to  Mike Podhorzer

[OMIT] Surprisingly [/OMIT] in my league’s draft yesterday with standard rosters and 6 reserves, he was not even drafted.

Fixed 🙂

Jason
15 years ago

Also, are you using MDC ADP’s? Because you’re probably not getting Kuroda on Yahoo or ESPN that low.

Lou
15 years ago
Reply to  Jason

He’s going about 180 in Yahoo.

Derek
15 years ago

That’s my kind of pitching staff! And once we get into May and June, injuries and callups really start to open up the waiver wire. You could even draft a bunch of quality middle relievers (with tight ratios) then replace them with free agents as the season goes on. And even waiver fodder scrubs can be useful with the right matchup. Pitch and ditch…

I love when the league I’m drafting in goes on a starting pitcher run in rounds 5-7. I just keep grabbing those bats like Carlos Gonzalez.

Brad JohnsonMember
15 years ago
Reply to  Derek

The counterpoint is that pitchers stats tend to be slightly better in April so if you can pound out a disproportionate number of April innings you can take advantage of a free short term talent boost.

Brad JohnsonMember
15 years ago

Do you mean to say Nolasco is vintage Javier Vazquez? His numbers say he’s a good pitcher but his actual performance refuses to regress. Someday he’ll put together a season like the one we all expect, get traded to the Yankees, and make the fans of 29 very happy as he implodes. This might happen again later in his career.

DrBGiantsfan
15 years ago

It seems like every expert is advising drafting hitters first. It used to be 7X7. Now we’re seeing recs to draft 10 hitters first and in this article even more. Is it possible that if everybody is trying to do the same thing, there would be value in cutting against the grain and drafting a staff of ace pitchers first and then looking for undervalued hitters?

B N
15 years ago
Reply to  DrBGiantsfan

I think technically your surest advantage ideally comes from “market timing” things so that you can grab the best hitters possible, while still grabbing the best pitchers possible. So all you really need to be is about 1 round ahead of people probably. At that point, you’ve kept pace with their batting and are gaining advantage with your pitching. There’s very little point in drafting someone 5 rounds earlier than you have to, even if they are undervalued by 6 rounds.

Sean
15 years ago

I do this strategy every year.

Some of my experiences

-Ks are not a problem. Period.

-If you know what you are doing (like me) you can finish middle of the pack in WHIP and ERA. Most of the guys that Mike drafted are not going to finish with a 3.30 ERA and 1.20 WHIP. However, you can capitalize on streaks when they present themselves. If one of these guys above happen to have a low BABIP first half, or first couple of months, you need to have the foresight to deal them for a guy at the other end of the BABIP spectrum. In summary, you cannot expect to ride all of these guys until the end of the season. Micromanagement is required.

-Ws are tough to find! Yes, we all have heard that you shouldn’t “pay” for wins, but really you should. I think that sentiment is more appropriate when it comes to guys like Phil Hughes, Trevor Cahill, Scott Feldman 2009, Pavano, Arroyo, etc. But when you look at the league leaders in Ws, the majority of guys there are the ones you would expect to see.

B N
15 years ago
Reply to  Sean

I agree that wins are not nearly as volatile as people think. People only think they’re volatile because they look at pitcher stats. Look at their team run support and their bullpen quality, and you can very quickly figure out which teams are going to give their pitchers a lot of wins…

Some basic hints, choose teams that rhyme with:
1. Stankees
2. Wedlocks
3. Willies
4. Strays
etc.

I mean, look at Lackey’s season last year and then look at his 14 wins. Raise your hand if you think that is repeatable.

jrogersMember since 2017
15 years ago

What about relievers? Are you also punting saves by taking 9 starting pitchers?

Jason B
15 years ago
Reply to  jrogers

He does mention that too but it seems like you could help the ratios as well as the save categories by getting some back-end closer options – the Hanrahans, Nunezes, Storens, and Franciscos of the world. Won’t help you any in wins or K’s, but should help the other three categories [WHIP, ERA, SV] at the expense of two.

csiems
15 years ago

Baker is a favorite of mine in deep leagues, but I’d take Slowey as a handcuff. I’d be willing to bet that Blackburn is out of the rotation by May so that Slowey could slide in, but Slowey might also be traded.

shibboleth
15 years ago

Fantastic exerceise, thanks for sharing. All those pitchers listed should provide value relative to the round they were drafted. I was pleased to see a few that I had drafted myself (Kuroda + Kennedy, just missed out on Nolasco). If you can modify this approach and a) load up on quality hitters; b) sprinkle in a few quality closers/middle relievers; c) maybe draft one ace prior to the 10th round… then you should have as good a chance of starting off on the right foot as possible.

Jimbo
15 years ago

I used to do this, but have expanded my horizons this year.

Two years ago I landed Greinke, Verlander, Josh Johnson in rounds 13-16.

Last year I started with Baker and DeLaRosa.

Now I’m with DrB. In the 5th-7th rounds I don’t see THAT much reliable, quality, impact offense to ignore Ubaldo, Hamels, Hanson if they last.

The flip side of the argument as I’ve experienced it, is that you tend to ‘reach’ more to fill positions. If you’re offense-first, and in the 7th round you take Ben Zobrist…that’s fine if he’s the next ranked guy on your depth chart and now you’ve locked him up.

But then you take Marcum in the 11th and both of them bust. Why not go with Billingsley in the 7th and some other mid-tier 2B in the 11th? Can I still get Kendrick, or Hill, or Beckham?

The odds of a better-than-average 2B ‘falling’ out of the top 10 rounds is FAR more likely than the odds of a first or second tier starter doing the same. And with 9 positions to fill, I’d like at least a couple to be trustworthy.

Waiting altogether hasn’t boosted my offense as expected (possibly my fault), and it puts a lot of pressure on waiver pickups–something at least half my league is pretty good at in their own right.

So all I know is my first three will be offense, probably my first five picks, but after that I’ll take a Verlander or Weaver or Billingsley in lieu of lower-tiered offense.

To me, OF is the new SP. Drafted Granderson and Borbon in the top 10 rounds last year. They busted, yet I was able to pick up Chris Young and Brett Gardner who contributed nicely. Had I taken stud SP in their places, my team would have been much better off.

So ideally I’d like an ace or two, an OF stud or two, but then leave the rest of those two positions for value later on and/or waiver claims. Do love me some Kennedy/Baker late in the draft.

DrBGiantsfan
15 years ago
Reply to  Jimbo

Excellent analysis. The problem with the draft offense first strategy is if everyone else is doing it too, then you are fighting with everybody else for the same premium offensive players and by the time you get around to drafting pitchers, you are fighting with everyone else looking for undervalued pitching. It’s no different than Moneyball and undervalued commodities. Pitching is now THE undervalued commodity in fantasy baseball.

B N
15 years ago
Reply to  DrBGiantsfan

It’s tough to say. I still think my favorite strategy tends to be to look at the biggest dropoffs and avoid falling into them. Basically, you try to maximize team value by minimizing the dropoff you’re going to see at any position between when you draft and your next pick. So, if the last SS worth a roster spot is still on the board- you take him and fill your SS, unless you think some other spot would be weaken your team even more if not addressed.

Pitchers, after the top couple of tiers, turn into one heck of a free for all- there isn’t a major dropoff. That means this sort of strategy tends to draft most of its pitchers towards the end. Personally, I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Pitchers are more volatile and especially in your standard shallow 12 team league, reliability is pretty overrated- there’s always plenty of talent left in the pool.

I think this has also been aggravated, at least in Yahoo, by the choice to have 2 DH spots in their default leagues (WTF by the way). This means there is even more competition for the top hitters (for which there are huge, consistent dropoffs compared to the waiver wire). While the IP limit has been increased also, this just tends to mean you don’t have the luxury to sit out your starters for bad matchups, not that you need a whole extra body.

DrBGiantsfan
15 years ago
Reply to  Jimbo

Also, you all might want to check out Brad Johnson’s article in today’s hardballtimes.com about how “pitching backwards” works in fantasy baseball too.

A Hill O' Beans
15 years ago

I tried this very same strategy today, mind you it was a 10 team league. My hitting is unstoppable and my pitching….well, it’s got plenty of potential at least.

Buchholz
J. Sanchez
D. Hudson
Bumgarner
Kennedy
Gio Gonzalez
E. Jackson

Wade8813
15 years ago

In a draft, it seems to me that there isn’t much of a reason to not start picking pitchers after your starting lineup (plus maybe one bench) are taken. Bench are valuable, but not nearly as much as your first pitcher.

On the other hand, in auction every dollar you don’t spend on pitching can be used to make your lineup better (theoretically). You can just keep bidding more and possibly end up with multiple first-round talents. No matter how much hitting you want in a snake draft, you’re going to end up with 1 first round player plus MAYBE a player that you view as first-round caliber who will fall to you.

Dr. Paul
15 years ago

Mike,

What about Brandan Webb. I picked him up 25th round in two mixed leagues?

JoeC
15 years ago

There is a slight problem with your theory though: in real drafts, where players are drafted don’t correspond to their ADPs. For example, in my main league’s draft, only 6 of the 9 pitchers you profiled were actually available at the pick you recommended they be taken.

It’s even worse when you consider that 2 of the 6 that were available to take at the time you recommended were Homer Bailey and Mike Minor, one who’s on the DL and the other who’s in the Minors.

So for the 7 pitchers who are actual viable starters today, only 4 of them were available in the rounds you recommened they be taken.

This is the main problem with this “wait for pitching” strategy: the guys you want may not be there late in the game. However, this is not to say that I don’t agree with you “in general”. I think you DO have to wait to fill out the majority of your staff and spend those early picks instead on offense. The main reason for this is that it’s MUCH EASIER to pick up starting pitching off the wire during the season than it is competent offense.

Good article though, and definitely food for thought.

Ricky Nolasco
Your Rd 15 pick (picks 169-180)
ADP: 181
My draft: 195
Possible: Yes

Hiroki Kuroda
Your Rd 16 pick (picks 181-192)
ADP: 193
My draft: 187
Possible: Yes

Ian Kennedy
Your Rd 17 pick (picks 193-204)
ADP: 194
My draft: 185
Possible: No

Edwin Jackson
Your Rd 18 pick (picks 205-216)
ADP: 211
My draft: 242
Possible: Yes

Jordan Zimmerman
Your Rd 19 pick (picks 217-228)
ADP: 229
My draft: 265
Possible: Yes

Jorge De La Rosa
Your Rd 20 pick (picks 229-240)
ADP: 232
My draft: 198
Possible: No

Scott Baker
Your Rd 21 pick (picks 241-252)
ADP: 257
My draft: 222
Possible: No

Mike Minor
Your Rd 22 pick (picks 253-264)
ADP: 255
My draft: 247
Possible: Yes

Homer Bailey
Your Rd 23 pick (picks 265-276)
ADP: 285
My draft: Not drafted
Possible: Yes