Rotographs Rankings First Run – Second Basemen
Some of this is being repeated from the Primer piece that went up this morning.
We’re bringing them to you earlier this year, but that also means that they’re far from set in stone so take that into consideration as you peruse them. There are still strong arms on the free agent market, let alone all the moving and shaking that happens once players start reporting to camp.
- Outfielder (Jan. 18)
- Starting Pitcher (Jan. 20)
- Shortstop (Jan. 22)
- First Base (Jan. 25)
- Catcher (Jan. 26)
- Second Base (Jan. 27-today)
- Third Base (Jan. 28)
- DH (Jan. 29)
- Reliever (Jan. 29 courtesy of the Bullpen Report crew)
We’re using Yahoo! eligibility requirements which is 5 starts or 10 appearances. These rankings assume the standard 5×5 categories and a re-draft league. If we forgot someone, please let us know in the comments and we’ll make sure he’s added for the updates. If you have questions for a specific ranker on something he did, let us know in the comments.
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There will be differences, sharp differences, within the rankings. The rankers have different philosophies when it comes to ranking, some of which you’re no doubt familiar with through previous iterations. Of course the idea that we’d all think the same would be silly because then what would be the point of including multiple rankers?!
Think someone should be higher or lower? Make a case. Let us know why you think that. Like I said, it’s early. Things are going to change.
The chart is sortable and by default it’s sorted by AVG. If a ranker didn’t rank someone that the others did, he was given that ranker’s last rank +1. That would be 50 for Zach, 56 for Dan, 46 for Mike, 48 for Brad, and 46 for Paul K. Everyone in the top 50 was on the lists of Jeff and myself so we don’t have any +1s. They are indicated in red on the chart.
Key:
- AVG– just the average of the seven ranking sets
- Adj. AVG– the average minus the high and low rankings
- SPLIT– the difference between the high and low rankings
PLAYER | Jeff | Zach | Dan | Mike | Brad | Paul | Paul K | AVG | Adj. AVG | Split | |
1 | Jose Altuve | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1.0 | 1.0 | 0 |
2 | Dee Gordon | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2.0 | 2.0 | 0 |
3 | Robinson Cano | 3 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 3.3 | 3.2 | 1 |
4 | Ian Kinsler | 4 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 5 | 5 | 4.7 | 4.4 | 5 |
5 | Rougned Odor | 5 | 6 | 5 | 6 | 10 | 6 | 4 | 6.0 | 5.6 | 6 |
6 | Jason Kipnis | 6 | 5 | 6 | 5 | 3 | 10 | 8 | 6.1 | 6.0 | 7 |
7 | Anthony Rendon | 11 | 12 | 7 | 8 | 5 | 4 | 6 | 7.6 | 7.4 | 8 |
8 | Brian Dozier | 7 | 10 | 10 | 7 | 6 | 9 | 9 | 8.3 | 8.4 | 4 |
9 | Dustin Pedroia | 9 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 11 | 10 | 9.4 | 9.4 | 3 |
10 | Matt Carpenter | 12 | 9 | 11 | 9 | 7 | 7 | 13 | 9.7 | 9.6 | 6 |
11 | Daniel Murphy | 8 | 11 | 8 | 11 | 14 | 19 | 11 | 11.7 | 11.0 | 11 |
12 | Ben Zobrist | 13 | 15 | 12 | 16 | 11 | 12 | 12 | 13.0 | 12.8 | 5 |
13 | Josh Harrison | 10 | 13 | 13 | 12 | 17 | 24 | 7 | 13.7 | 13.0 | 17 |
14 | Kolten Wong | 14 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 13 | 20 | 16 | 16.0 | 15.8 | 7 |
15 | DJ LeMahieu | 15 | 7 | 17 | 17 | 20 | 21 | 17 | 16.3 | 17.2 | 14 |
16 | Howie Kendrick | 20 | 19 | 16 | 15 | 18 | 17 | 14 | 17.0 | 17.0 | 6 |
17 | Starlin Castro | 16 | 20 | 14 | 20 | 24 | 16 | 19 | 18.4 | 18.2 | 10 |
18 | Joe Panik | 26 | 17 | 24 | 21 | 12 | 13 | 18 | 18.7 | 18.6 | 14 |
19 | Neil Walker | 23 | 14 | 26 | 14 | 16 | 18 | 20 | 18.7 | 18.2 | 12 |
20 | Brett Lawrie | 19 | 18 | 18 | 13 | 32 | 15 | 21 | 19.4 | 18.2 | 19 |
21 | Addison Russell | 25 | 22 | 23 | 22 | 22 | 8 | 22 | 20.6 | 22.2 | 17 |
22 | Brandon Phillips | 18 | 25 | 19 | 19 | 23 | 27 | 15 | 20.9 | 20.8 | 12 |
23 | Logan Forsythe | 24 | 21 | 27 | 24 | 21 | 22 | 24 | 23.3 | 23.0 | 6 |
24 | Jonathan Schoop | 28 | 24 | 28 | 26 | 19 | 14 | 32 | 24.4 | 25.0 | 18 |
25 | Trea Turner | 17 | 23 | 20 | 25 | 35 | 39 | 23 | 26.0 | 25.2 | 22 |
26 | Martin Prado | 27 | 26 | 25 | 28 | 25 | 29 | 25 | 26.4 | 26.2 | 4 |
27 | Cory Spangenberg | 21 | 27 | 22 | 23 | 41 | 26 | 29 | 27.0 | 25.4 | 20 |
28 | Scooter Gennett | 22 | 33 | 21 | 27 | 40 | 25 | 28 | 28.0 | 27.0 | 19 |
29 | Brad Miller | 30 | 28 | 31 | 29 | 15 | 34 | 30 | 28.1 | 29.6 | 19 |
30 | Chris Owings | 29 | 34 | 29 | 30 | 30 | 28 | 38 | 31.1 | 30.4 | 10 |
31 | Enrique Hernandez | 40 | 32 | 41 | 35 | 38 | 23 | 26 | 33.6 | 34.2 | 18 |
32 | Chase Utley | 37 | 29 | 38 | 36 | 31 | 33 | 31 | 33.6 | 33.6 | 9 |
33 | Johnny Giavotella | 31 | 36 | 35 | 37 | 48 | 38 | 27 | 34.0 | 34.8 | 21 |
34 | Javier Baez | 32 | 50 | 30 | 46 | 36 | 40 | 33 | 34.2 | 33.7 | 20 |
35 | Jace Peterson | 36 | 50 | 33 | 31 | 39 | 37 | 34 | 35.0 | 35.0 | 19 |
36 | Yangervis Solarte | 33 | 43 | 36 | 33 | 37 | 31 | 46 | 35.5 | 34.8 | 15 |
37 | Eduardo Escobar | 39 | 31 | 39 | 41 | 28 | 44 | 42 | 37.7 | 38.4 | 16 |
38 | Cesar Hernandez | 41 | 35 | 45 | 43 | 27 | 36 | 39 | 38.0 | 38.8 | 18 |
39 | Jose Ramirez | 34 | 37 | 32 | 40 | 48 | 57 | 35 | 39.2 | 36.5 | 25 |
40 | Devon Travis | 52 | 41 | 50 | 32 | 26 | 35 | 44 | 40.0 | 40.4 | 26 |
41 | Steve Pearce | 35 | 44 | 37 | 34 | 44 | 53 | 37 | 40.6 | 39.4 | 19 |
42 | Wilmer Flores | 38 | 38 | 40 | 42 | 46 | 48 | 36 | 41.1 | 40.8 | 12 |
43 | Jose Peraza | 42 | 50 | 34 | 39 | 43 | 49 | 40 | 41.2 | 41.0 | 16 |
44 | Danny Espinosa | 55 | 50 | 52 | 38 | 33 | 30 | 46 | 41.6 | 41.0 | 25 |
45 | Brock Holt | 48 | 30 | 49 | 45 | 29 | 51 | 41 | 41.9 | 42.6 | 22 |
46 | Ryan Goins | 47 | 49 | 48 | 46 | 34 | 43 | 43 | 43.8 | 45.3 | 15 |
47 | Omar Infante | 43 | 39 | 42 | 44 | 45 | 52 | 46 | 44.2 | 43.5 | 13 |
48 | Kelly Johnson | 64 | 50 | 56 | 46 | 42 | 32 | 46 | 46.0 | 42.0 | 32 |
49 | Chris Coghlan | 50 | 47 | 56 | 46 | 48 | 42 | 46 | 46.3 | 47.0 | 14 |
50 | Aaron Hill | 46 | 45 | 47 | 46 | 48 | 50 | 45 | 46.6 | 46.0 | 5 |
Dang I love Odor…and so does everyone else(except you Brad!).
Is the divide with Devon Travis over health or where he will hit in that wonderful line-up?
Would someone be kind enough to explain the Odor love here? Assuming the standard 5×5, I do not see how Odor could be ranked above guys like Kipnis, Dozier, and possibly Carpenter. My best guess is that a 20 HR, 10 SB, .260 AVG season is expected of him in a best case scenario, but does that really beat any of the best case scenarios for the other three that I mentioned?
I must note that even though these rankings are for a standard 5×5 league, Odor’s ranking looks even worse in a BB or OBP league.
He hit .261 last year with a sub-par BABIP (.283). He hits a lot of infield flies, so that is a problem. But if he corrects that even a little, he could hit .275 and a .330+ OBP. That might be 75 R, 70 RBI.
I appreciate the reply. In my opinion is a big if and would be at the extreme end of good outcomes in my opinion and does not address the possible extreme end of good outcomes from others ranked around him.
From what I can tell, he has been pretty consistent in what he is during his minor league and major league career. I know that next season will be his age 22 season, but I find it very unlikely he will experience major growth when he has been what he was last season for the last 4 years or so (albeit at different professional levels).
Ugh at the lack of a quick edit…
In my opinion, it is a big if and would be at the extreme end of good outcomes and does not address the possible extreme end of good outcomes from others ranked around him.
I’m also surprised how high Odor is ranked. It seems inconsistent with past position rankings where both floor and stability were valued over ceiling. Seems like this rank is only considering his ceiling/upside. I would take everyone between 6-11 before Odor other than Pedroia.
I think in general the anti-Odor sentiment (or at least not-quite-so-pro-Odor sentiment undervalues how impressive he has been. As a 21 year old, he struggled early, then posted a .292/.334/.527 line with 15 HR and 5 SB in less than 2/3rds of a season. If you were looking for a breakthrough, there it is. And again, he was a 21 year old. The list of players 21 or under who have done anything like that this century is:
Pujols, Trout, Trout, J. Upton, Stanton, Heyward, Cabrera, Beltre, Harper, Zimmerman, Freeman, Hosmer, and that is about it. And only Pujols, Troutx2, Upton, Stanton, and Cabrera posted a higher OPS, despite the fact that Odor was playing in a relatively low offensive environment. He may not repeat that, but his performance after his call up was insane.
Huh? I really like Odor this year. But I think he’s getting a little Schwarberized by my fellows.
As for Travis, yes, health and lineup role.