Rotographs Rankings First Run – Second Basemen

Some of this is being repeated from the Primer piece that went up this morning. 

We’re bringing them to you earlier this year, but that also means that they’re far from set in stone so take that into consideration as you peruse them. There are still strong arms on the free agent market, let alone all the moving and shaking that happens once players start reporting to camp.

We’re using Yahoo! eligibility requirements which is 5 starts or 10 appearances. These rankings assume the standard 5×5 categories and a re-draft league.  If we forgot someone, please let us know in the comments and we’ll make sure he’s added for the updates. If you have questions for a specific ranker on something he did, let us know in the comments.

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There will be differences, sharp differences, within the rankings. The rankers have different philosophies when it comes to ranking, some of which you’re no doubt familiar with through previous iterations. Of course the idea that we’d all think the same would be silly because then what would be the point of including multiple rankers?!

Think someone should be higher or lower? Make a case. Let us know why you think that. Like I said, it’s early. Things are going to change.

The chart is sortable and by default it’s sorted by AVG. If a ranker didn’t rank someone that the others did, he was given that ranker’s last rank +1. That would be 50 for Zach, 56 for Dan, 46 for Mike, 48 for Brad, and 46 for Paul K. Everyone in the top 50 was on the lists of Jeff and myself so we don’t have any +1s. They are indicated in red on the chart.

Key:

  • AVG– just the average of the seven ranking sets
  • Adj. AVG– the average minus the high and low rankings
  • SPLIT– the difference between the high and low rankings

Second Basemen – January Edition
PLAYER Jeff Zach Dan Mike Brad Paul Paul K AVG Adj. AVG Split
1 Jose Altuve 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1.0 1.0 0
2 Dee Gordon 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2.0 2.0 0
3 Robinson Cano 3 4 3 3 4 3 3 3.3 3.2 1
4 Ian Kinsler 4 3 4 4 8 5 5 4.7 4.4 5
5 Rougned Odor 5 6 5 6 10 6 4 6.0 5.6 6
6 Jason Kipnis 6 5 6 5 3 10 8 6.1 6.0 7
7 Anthony Rendon 11 12 7 8 5 4 6 7.6 7.4 8
8 Brian Dozier 7 10 10 7 6 9 9 8.3 8.4 4
9 Dustin Pedroia 9 8 9 10 9 11 10 9.4 9.4 3
10 Matt Carpenter 12 9 11 9 7 7 13 9.7 9.6 6
11 Daniel Murphy 8 11 8 11 14 19 11 11.7 11.0 11
12 Ben Zobrist 13 15 12 16 11 12 12 13.0 12.8 5
13 Josh Harrison 10 13 13 12 17 24 7 13.7 13.0 17
14 Kolten Wong 14 16 15 18 13 20 16 16.0 15.8 7
15 DJ LeMahieu 15 7 17 17 20 21 17 16.3 17.2 14
16 Howie Kendrick 20 19 16 15 18 17 14 17.0 17.0 6
17 Starlin Castro 16 20 14 20 24 16 19 18.4 18.2 10
18 Joe Panik 26 17 24 21 12 13 18 18.7 18.6 14
19 Neil Walker 23 14 26 14 16 18 20 18.7 18.2 12
20 Brett Lawrie 19 18 18 13 32 15 21 19.4 18.2 19
21 Addison Russell 25 22 23 22 22 8 22 20.6 22.2 17
22 Brandon Phillips 18 25 19 19 23 27 15 20.9 20.8 12
23 Logan Forsythe 24 21 27 24 21 22 24 23.3 23.0 6
24 Jonathan Schoop 28 24 28 26 19 14 32 24.4 25.0 18
25 Trea Turner 17 23 20 25 35 39 23 26.0 25.2 22
26 Martin Prado 27 26 25 28 25 29 25 26.4 26.2 4
27 Cory Spangenberg 21 27 22 23 41 26 29 27.0 25.4 20
28 Scooter Gennett 22 33 21 27 40 25 28 28.0 27.0 19
29 Brad Miller 30 28 31 29 15 34 30 28.1 29.6 19
30 Chris Owings 29 34 29 30 30 28 38 31.1 30.4 10
31 Enrique Hernandez 40 32 41 35 38 23 26 33.6 34.2 18
32 Chase Utley 37 29 38 36 31 33 31 33.6 33.6 9
33 Johnny Giavotella 31 36 35 37 48 38 27 34.0 34.8 21
34 Javier Baez 32 50 30 46 36 40 33 34.2 33.7 20
35 Jace Peterson 36 50 33 31 39 37 34 35.0 35.0 19
36 Yangervis Solarte 33 43 36 33 37 31 46 35.5 34.8 15
37 Eduardo Escobar 39 31 39 41 28 44 42 37.7 38.4 16
38 Cesar Hernandez 41 35 45 43 27 36 39 38.0 38.8 18
39 Jose Ramirez 34 37 32 40 48 57 35 39.2 36.5 25
40 Devon Travis 52 41 50 32 26 35 44 40.0 40.4 26
41 Steve Pearce 35 44 37 34 44 53 37 40.6 39.4 19
42 Wilmer Flores 38 38 40 42 46 48 36 41.1 40.8 12
43 Jose Peraza 42 50 34 39 43 49 40 41.2 41.0 16
44 Danny Espinosa 55 50 52 38 33 30 46 41.6 41.0 25
45 Brock Holt 48 30 49 45 29 51 41 41.9 42.6 22
46 Ryan Goins 47 49 48 46 34 43 43 43.8 45.3 15
47 Omar Infante 43 39 42 44 45 52 46 44.2 43.5 13
48 Kelly Johnson 64 50 56 46 42 32 46 46.0 42.0 32
49 Chris Coghlan 50 47 56 46 48 42 46 46.3 47.0 14
50 Aaron Hill 46 45 47 46 48 50 45 46.6 46.0 5





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Cory Settoon
8 years ago

Dang I love Odor…and so does everyone else(except you Brad!).

Is the divide with Devon Travis over health or where he will hit in that wonderful line-up?

thecodygriffin
8 years ago
Reply to  Cory Settoon

Would someone be kind enough to explain the Odor love here? Assuming the standard 5×5, I do not see how Odor could be ranked above guys like Kipnis, Dozier, and possibly Carpenter. My best guess is that a 20 HR, 10 SB, .260 AVG season is expected of him in a best case scenario, but does that really beat any of the best case scenarios for the other three that I mentioned?

I must note that even though these rankings are for a standard 5×5 league, Odor’s ranking looks even worse in a BB or OBP league.

dl80
8 years ago
Reply to  thecodygriffin

He hit .261 last year with a sub-par BABIP (.283). He hits a lot of infield flies, so that is a problem. But if he corrects that even a little, he could hit .275 and a .330+ OBP. That might be 75 R, 70 RBI.

thecodygriffin
8 years ago
Reply to  thecodygriffin

I appreciate the reply. In my opinion is a big if and would be at the extreme end of good outcomes in my opinion and does not address the possible extreme end of good outcomes from others ranked around him.

From what I can tell, he has been pretty consistent in what he is during his minor league and major league career. I know that next season will be his age 22 season, but I find it very unlikely he will experience major growth when he has been what he was last season for the last 4 years or so (albeit at different professional levels).

thecodygriffin
8 years ago
Reply to  thecodygriffin

Ugh at the lack of a quick edit…

In my opinion, it is a big if and would be at the extreme end of good outcomes and does not address the possible extreme end of good outcomes from others ranked around him.

KB
8 years ago
Reply to  thecodygriffin

I’m also surprised how high Odor is ranked. It seems inconsistent with past position rankings where both floor and stability were valued over ceiling. Seems like this rank is only considering his ceiling/upside. I would take everyone between 6-11 before Odor other than Pedroia.

Chad YoungMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  thecodygriffin

I think in general the anti-Odor sentiment (or at least not-quite-so-pro-Odor sentiment undervalues how impressive he has been. As a 21 year old, he struggled early, then posted a .292/.334/.527 line with 15 HR and 5 SB in less than 2/3rds of a season. If you were looking for a breakthrough, there it is. And again, he was a 21 year old. The list of players 21 or under who have done anything like that this century is:

Pujols, Trout, Trout, J. Upton, Stanton, Heyward, Cabrera, Beltre, Harper, Zimmerman, Freeman, Hosmer, and that is about it. And only Pujols, Troutx2, Upton, Stanton, and Cabrera posted a higher OPS, despite the fact that Odor was playing in a relatively low offensive environment. He may not repeat that, but his performance after his call up was insane.

Brad JohnsonMember
8 years ago
Reply to  Cory Settoon

Huh? I really like Odor this year. But I think he’s getting a little Schwarberized by my fellows.

As for Travis, yes, health and lineup role.