Rotographs Rankings First Run – Second Basemen

Some of this is being repeated from the Primer piece that went up this morning. 

We’re bringing them to you earlier this year, but that also means that they’re far from set in stone so take that into consideration as you peruse them. There are still strong arms on the free agent market, let alone all the moving and shaking that happens once players start reporting to camp.

We’re using Yahoo! eligibility requirements which is 5 starts or 10 appearances. These rankings assume the standard 5×5 categories and a re-draft league.  If we forgot someone, please let us know in the comments and we’ll make sure he’s added for the updates. If you have questions for a specific ranker on something he did, let us know in the comments.

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There will be differences, sharp differences, within the rankings. The rankers have different philosophies when it comes to ranking, some of which you’re no doubt familiar with through previous iterations. Of course the idea that we’d all think the same would be silly because then what would be the point of including multiple rankers?!

Think someone should be higher or lower? Make a case. Let us know why you think that. Like I said, it’s early. Things are going to change.

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The chart is sortable and by default it’s sorted by AVG. If a ranker didn’t rank someone that the others did, he was given that ranker’s last rank +1. That would be 50 for Zach, 56 for Dan, 46 for Mike, 48 for Brad, and 46 for Paul K. Everyone in the top 50 was on the lists of Jeff and myself so we don’t have any +1s. They are indicated in red on the chart.

Key:

  • AVG– just the average of the seven ranking sets
  • Adj. AVG– the average minus the high and low rankings
  • SPLIT– the difference between the high and low rankings

Second Basemen – January Edition
PLAYER Jeff Zach Dan Mike Brad Paul Paul K AVG Adj. AVG Split
1 Jose Altuve 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1.0 1.0 0
2 Dee Gordon 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2.0 2.0 0
3 Robinson Cano 3 4 3 3 4 3 3 3.3 3.2 1
4 Ian Kinsler 4 3 4 4 8 5 5 4.7 4.4 5
5 Rougned Odor 5 6 5 6 10 6 4 6.0 5.6 6
6 Jason Kipnis 6 5 6 5 3 10 8 6.1 6.0 7
7 Anthony Rendon 11 12 7 8 5 4 6 7.6 7.4 8
8 Brian Dozier 7 10 10 7 6 9 9 8.3 8.4 4
9 Dustin Pedroia 9 8 9 10 9 11 10 9.4 9.4 3
10 Matt Carpenter 12 9 11 9 7 7 13 9.7 9.6 6
11 Daniel Murphy 8 11 8 11 14 19 11 11.7 11.0 11
12 Ben Zobrist 13 15 12 16 11 12 12 13.0 12.8 5
13 Josh Harrison 10 13 13 12 17 24 7 13.7 13.0 17
14 Kolten Wong 14 16 15 18 13 20 16 16.0 15.8 7
15 DJ LeMahieu 15 7 17 17 20 21 17 16.3 17.2 14
16 Howie Kendrick 20 19 16 15 18 17 14 17.0 17.0 6
17 Starlin Castro 16 20 14 20 24 16 19 18.4 18.2 10
18 Joe Panik 26 17 24 21 12 13 18 18.7 18.6 14
19 Neil Walker 23 14 26 14 16 18 20 18.7 18.2 12
20 Brett Lawrie 19 18 18 13 32 15 21 19.4 18.2 19
21 Addison Russell 25 22 23 22 22 8 22 20.6 22.2 17
22 Brandon Phillips 18 25 19 19 23 27 15 20.9 20.8 12
23 Logan Forsythe 24 21 27 24 21 22 24 23.3 23.0 6
24 Jonathan Schoop 28 24 28 26 19 14 32 24.4 25.0 18
25 Trea Turner 17 23 20 25 35 39 23 26.0 25.2 22
26 Martin Prado 27 26 25 28 25 29 25 26.4 26.2 4
27 Cory Spangenberg 21 27 22 23 41 26 29 27.0 25.4 20
28 Scooter Gennett 22 33 21 27 40 25 28 28.0 27.0 19
29 Brad Miller 30 28 31 29 15 34 30 28.1 29.6 19
30 Chris Owings 29 34 29 30 30 28 38 31.1 30.4 10
31 Enrique Hernandez 40 32 41 35 38 23 26 33.6 34.2 18
32 Chase Utley 37 29 38 36 31 33 31 33.6 33.6 9
33 Johnny Giavotella 31 36 35 37 48 38 27 34.0 34.8 21
34 Javier Baez 32 50 30 46 36 40 33 34.2 33.7 20
35 Jace Peterson 36 50 33 31 39 37 34 35.0 35.0 19
36 Yangervis Solarte 33 43 36 33 37 31 46 35.5 34.8 15
37 Eduardo Escobar 39 31 39 41 28 44 42 37.7 38.4 16
38 Cesar Hernandez 41 35 45 43 27 36 39 38.0 38.8 18
39 Jose Ramirez 34 37 32 40 48 57 35 39.2 36.5 25
40 Devon Travis 52 41 50 32 26 35 44 40.0 40.4 26
41 Steve Pearce 35 44 37 34 44 53 37 40.6 39.4 19
42 Wilmer Flores 38 38 40 42 46 48 36 41.1 40.8 12
43 Jose Peraza 42 50 34 39 43 49 40 41.2 41.0 16
44 Danny Espinosa 55 50 52 38 33 30 46 41.6 41.0 25
45 Brock Holt 48 30 49 45 29 51 41 41.9 42.6 22
46 Ryan Goins 47 49 48 46 34 43 43 43.8 45.3 15
47 Omar Infante 43 39 42 44 45 52 46 44.2 43.5 13
48 Kelly Johnson 64 50 56 46 42 32 46 46.0 42.0 32
49 Chris Coghlan 50 47 56 46 48 42 46 46.3 47.0 14
50 Aaron Hill 46 45 47 46 48 50 45 46.6 46.0 5





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Cory Settoon
10 years ago

Dang I love Odor…and so does everyone else(except you Brad!).

Is the divide with Devon Travis over health or where he will hit in that wonderful line-up?

thecodygriffin
10 years ago
Reply to  Cory Settoon

Would someone be kind enough to explain the Odor love here? Assuming the standard 5×5, I do not see how Odor could be ranked above guys like Kipnis, Dozier, and possibly Carpenter. My best guess is that a 20 HR, 10 SB, .260 AVG season is expected of him in a best case scenario, but does that really beat any of the best case scenarios for the other three that I mentioned?

I must note that even though these rankings are for a standard 5×5 league, Odor’s ranking looks even worse in a BB or OBP league.

dl80
10 years ago
Reply to  thecodygriffin

He hit .261 last year with a sub-par BABIP (.283). He hits a lot of infield flies, so that is a problem. But if he corrects that even a little, he could hit .275 and a .330+ OBP. That might be 75 R, 70 RBI.

thecodygriffin
10 years ago
Reply to  thecodygriffin

I appreciate the reply. In my opinion is a big if and would be at the extreme end of good outcomes in my opinion and does not address the possible extreme end of good outcomes from others ranked around him.

From what I can tell, he has been pretty consistent in what he is during his minor league and major league career. I know that next season will be his age 22 season, but I find it very unlikely he will experience major growth when he has been what he was last season for the last 4 years or so (albeit at different professional levels).

thecodygriffin
10 years ago
Reply to  thecodygriffin

Ugh at the lack of a quick edit…

In my opinion, it is a big if and would be at the extreme end of good outcomes and does not address the possible extreme end of good outcomes from others ranked around him.

KB
10 years ago
Reply to  thecodygriffin

I’m also surprised how high Odor is ranked. It seems inconsistent with past position rankings where both floor and stability were valued over ceiling. Seems like this rank is only considering his ceiling/upside. I would take everyone between 6-11 before Odor other than Pedroia.

Chad YoungFanGraphs Staff
10 years ago
Reply to  thecodygriffin

I think in general the anti-Odor sentiment (or at least not-quite-so-pro-Odor sentiment undervalues how impressive he has been. As a 21 year old, he struggled early, then posted a .292/.334/.527 line with 15 HR and 5 SB in less than 2/3rds of a season. If you were looking for a breakthrough, there it is. And again, he was a 21 year old. The list of players 21 or under who have done anything like that this century is:

Pujols, Trout, Trout, J. Upton, Stanton, Heyward, Cabrera, Beltre, Harper, Zimmerman, Freeman, Hosmer, and that is about it. And only Pujols, Troutx2, Upton, Stanton, and Cabrera posted a higher OPS, despite the fact that Odor was playing in a relatively low offensive environment. He may not repeat that, but his performance after his call up was insane.

Brad JohnsonMember
10 years ago
Reply to  Cory Settoon

Huh? I really like Odor this year. But I think he’s getting a little Schwarberized by my fellows.

As for Travis, yes, health and lineup role.

Darrelle
10 years ago

Why so low on Jason Kipnis? I feel like injuries are the only thing keeping him from being the number one seconds baseman

rayguMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Darrelle

Altuve beat him in all 5 cats last year.

Scott
10 years ago
Reply to  Darrelle

His power has really disappeared, and now his sbs may be following suit. Makes, as you say, injuries are an issue.

Scott
10 years ago
Reply to  Scott

Devon Travis seems criminally too low. He can have double digit hr/sb with a good avg and he has a chance for looks at the top of the order.

Scott
10 years ago
Reply to  Scott

I’m really butchering this today. Obviously replied to my typo’d comment by accident.

John Davoren
10 years ago

Paul,
Why no love for Kolten Wong? Didn’t you read Chamberlain’s article?

“…he had the third-best expected batting average — essentially demonstrating he had one of the best batted ball velocities in the game, only two points below Stanton with a sample size twice as large — says a lot about the contact he’s making. He’s only 25 with room to grow.”

novaether
10 years ago
Reply to  John Davoren

I didn’t read this article, but this sounds fishy to me. According to Baseball Savant, Wong had the 107th highest out of 345 batters with 100+ ABs last year. By hard hit %, he’s 101st out of 141 qualified hitters last year. Also, he had a 15.1% IFFB percentage last year which would really hurt his chances of hitting for an elite average. Steamer seems to agree, as they project him for the 120th highest avg out of 349 hitters projected for 200+ PAs in 2016.

Would you please provide a link to the article?

novaether
10 years ago
Reply to  novaether

Thanks! I didn’t realize we’re talking just about pulled ground balls here. It was still surprising to me that Wong could have one of the highest velocities on pulled ground balls given that his overall exit velocity is so mediocre. I pulled the data from baseball savant myself to try and validate this claim, and I’m seeing Wong with the 154th highest pulled ground ball velocity out of 433 players with 20+ pulled ground balls. I guess I must have used slightly different parameters than Alex given that I’ve got Wong down for 115 PGB instead of his 84. Either way, the alarms are going up for me on Wong here. I did notice in my sample that a disproportionate amount of these PGBs came on off-speed stuff, so maybe the 1B is expecting it.

John Davoren
10 years ago
Reply to  John Davoren

bump

Paul,

Why no love for Kolten?

KB
10 years ago

Carpenter seems low for someone who could lead the position in home runs (it will be him or Dozier) while providing a .270+ BA and 180 R/RBI depending lineup spot. I can’t see putting him outside of the Top 5 and he seems like a much safer bet than Odor or Rendon at this point.

KB
10 years ago
Reply to  KB

No one seems to think he will hit 27 HR again but I don’t think he does a complete 180 degree flop and goes back to hitting 7-10 either. You only had to hit 18+ HR last year to be in the Top 3 at 2B, I’m confident Carpenter will hit 18 HR with an approach similar to the one he showed last year.

KB
10 years ago
Reply to  KB

Carpenter might be #3 for me after Altuve and Gordon. Cano offers a similar skill set but is three years older, Kinsler doesn’t hit home runs anymore and his SB numbers aren’t impressive either. Altuve, Gordon, Carpenter, Cano, Dozier, Kinsler, Kipnis …

cornflake5000Member since 2020
10 years ago
Reply to  KB

So in your league draft him 3rd if you like him more than others. This list isn’t stopping you.

Cory Settoon
10 years ago
Reply to  KB

Carpenter might be a moot point in a chunk of leagues that don’t give him 2B eligibility.

scotman144Member since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Cory Settoon

I like him to pick up eligibility in-season at some point in leagues where 10 games is the criteria. Whether that happens by the ASB or doesn’t happen until September will likely hinge on what Wong/Gyorko do in 2016.

Brad JohnsonMember
10 years ago
Reply to  Cory Settoon

A thin 3B pool could also force owners to use him as a 3B.

Chad YoungFanGraphs Staff
10 years ago
Reply to  Cory Settoon

I don’t see him picking up eligibility. They have Wong and just traded for Gyorko, presumably with the intention of using him at 2B to spell/platoon with Wong. Not sure where you get enough PA for Wong and Gyorko while also giving Carpenter more than a few starts at 2B.

Andy
10 years ago

LeMahieu also seems kinda low for a guy who was top 7 or so in most categories last year.

Brad JohnsonMember
10 years ago
Reply to  Andy

There’s a lot of doubt in his ability to repeat a .362 BABIP and 8% walk rate. If those numbers regress as we expect, he’ll also be batting at the bottom of the order. Add it all up and he’ll decline in average, SB, R, and RBI.

I still like him, just don’t buy last season’s performance as a floor (or even as a median).

Ben
10 years ago

I’ll be curious to see where some of these 3B eligible guys (Rendon, Carpenter, Lawrie, etc) rank on the 3B list. Will be interesting to see if some of them are actually higher on that list than on 2B (I would imagine Carpenter at least has to be, right?)

Brad JohnsonMember
10 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Looks like I accidentally transposed my values for Carp and Rendon. I have Carp as the #5 2B and the #10 3B. Third base is soooo top heavy and then whoosh, off the cliff we go.

John
10 years ago

Alen Hanson?

Scott
10 years ago

Devon Travis seems criminally too low. He can have double digit hr/sb with a good avg and he has a chance for looks at the top of the order.

martinMember since 2016
10 years ago

I dont think Rendon will be on 2b too much in 2016, but he qualifies for most leagues this year. When he is healthy, he is a stud. He was dominant in the minors, was excellent before he got hurt. It is a definite high risk, high reward for me.

the guys above him have pretty good health…so I can see the rating….but I think I would take a chance on him. bc if healthy, he could be a number 3 easily.
martin

Svolch
10 years ago

I agree on devon travis. Before the injuries started, he was stellar. His triple slash was .304/.361/.498 in the majors in 2015. Not sure about double digit steals but even factoring in substantial regression does not result in the above ranking. I know that he’s likely to miss the start of the season, but kang is 7th on the SS list.

Moke Pidhorzer
10 years ago

Schoop .260, 30HR, 70+R, 80+RBI incoming.

Brad JohnsonMember
10 years ago
Reply to  Moke Pidhorzer

Possibly. Or .205, 21 HR, 50 R, and 65 RBI.

nickolai
10 years ago

Addison Russell has virtually the same rank across the board at 22-23, except for Paul S. at 8 – whoa! What the deal?

SF Draft Talk
10 years ago

Will we eventually get ranks for OBP leagues?

SF Draft Talk
10 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

Very cool. Thanks for this.

Corky
10 years ago

What is up with D. Murphy’s steamer projection? The BA/OBP projections seem high. Steamer projects a .350 OBP when he hasn’t had an OBP that high in five years and his career OBP is .331.

TJE
10 years ago

Doesn’t Matt Duffy meet 2B-eligibility through Yahoo!? Believe he had around 7 starts at 2B last season for SF. If so, where would he stack up on these ranks?

Cj
10 years ago

With the vast amount of similar 2B in “tier 3”, why no love or mention of Neil Walker. I understand there isn’t a lot of upside, but his floor seems very stable. He consistently gets the 20+ HR+SB that were mentioned on the podcast and his avg is just a tick under the .280 threshold. Still just 30, moving to a better hitters park, decent BB and K rates, projected to hit 2nd in a decent lineup = seems to have a lot going for him. I think I’d gladly wait on him over some of the older guys ranked higher like Zobrist, and Kendrick; and injury concerns with Pedroia, Harrison. Just wondering.

carterMember since 2020
10 years ago

Is the basis off of Brandon Phillips low projection is his hes unlikely to run as much?