Where To Punt Third Base In Your Draft
We all have our little mind tricks when it comes to draft preparation. Many rely on tiers. Others prefer straight list rankings. Maybe you use a magic 8-ball. But a principle I typically take into any draft is the point at which the talent available at a position isn’t distinguishable enough for me to care who I get. I call this the threshold in which you just punt: when your targeted players have left the board, and the remainder you could care less about.
There’s a real beauty in this (if you’re nerdy enough to find beauty in fantasy baseball drafts). Let’s say you target five players at a position, and for some reason, they all fly off the board without a challenge from you. If you’re equally comfortable, or at least marginally comfortable, with the remaining seven or eight players, you can reasonably assure yourself you’ll get at least one. And at that point, you can just move on to other needs. You essentially punt until the class gets so thin that you finally pull the trigger. This invariably happens at one or more positions throughout the draft. As maddening as it might be that you don’t get a top player at every position, the ability to compartmentalize the degree of panic relative to positional scarcity lends itself to a clearer head in the thick of a draft.
There are varying degrees of “puntability” at each major position of course, but I find third base to be particularly pronounced. Yes, you have a beast in Miguel Cabrera. Then, depending on whatever projection system you use, there’s some mash up of Edwin Encarnacion, Adrian Beltre, David Wright, and Evan Longoria. And for my purposes, if I miss out on Cabrera or Encarnacion, I’m probably punting. I like Beltre, Wright, and Longoria, but they’re getting drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Should one fall to the fourth round, sure. But it’s not likely. So they’re mostly dead to me.
I hear you screaming Matt Carpenter at me, and I get it. Carpenter might be on the upside of the dividing line for me, and of course I’d love to have him on my squad. But do I like him $15 more or eight rounds earlier than a guy like Brett Lawrie? Probably not, given other needs.
To be clear, I do think there are tiers mixed in here, but the degree of separation just isn’t enough for me to work up a sweat over making sure I get the next guy. Whether it’s Kyle Seager, Ryan Zimmerman, or Aramis Ramirez, I’m probably not going to throw a fit depending on who happens to fall in my lap. Consider the projections below, with the standard deviation for each category at the bottom. Sure, there are differences, and in standard rotisserie formats, you want to pay attention to your needs relative to each category and how your draft has gone (i.e., do you need home runs so desperately that you have to take Alvarez). Each player has their warts and the variability just isn’t that dramatic:
| HR | R | RBI | SB | AVG | |
| Josh Donaldson | 22 | 78 | 80 | 5 | 0.271 |
| Kyle Seager | 18 | 75 | 76 | 8 | 0.262 |
| Nolan Arenado | 17 | 67 | 75 | 3 | 0.277 |
| Brett Lawrie | 17 | 70 | 68 | 13 | 0.274 |
| Matt Carpenter | 10 | 75 | 53 | 5 | 0.291 |
| Aramis Ramirez | 20 | 63 | 71 | 3 | 0.273 |
| Chase Headley | 16 | 72 | 69 | 10 | 0.254 |
| Ryan Zimmerman | 20 | 68 | 69 | 4 | 0.274 |
| Matt Dominguez | 18 | 62 | 68 | 2 | 0.255 |
| Pedro Alvarez | 29 | 69 | 82 | 2 | 0.243 |
| Xander Bogaerts | 14 | 65 | 64 | 8 | 0.261 |
| Will Middlebrooks | 22 | 60 | 69 | 5 | 0.261 |
| Manny Machado | 12 | 58 | 52 | 7 | 0.268 |
| David Freese | 13 | 59 | 59 | 3 | 0.272 |
| Deviation | 4.7 | 6.1 | 8.6 | 3.1 | 0.011 |
It might be more useful to come up with a composite third base average for this gray area group and then see how each perform above and below that line, but the point is still kind of the same — if you miss out early, don’t panic and grab the next best thing earlier (or more expensive) than you have to. Move on to other pressing needs, knowing one of these guys will fall in your lap far later (or cheaper) than projected and you’ll be better off at other positions because of it.
Or just be lucky enough to draft Miguel Cabrera.
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Where did Todd Frazier fall on here?
With the rest of the crowd, like his bats whenever he makes a cut
No Pablo Sandoval?
Pablo: HR/R/RBI/SB/Ave
Steamer: 21, 76, 83, 2, .284
Oliver: 14, 68, 71, 1, .276
Looks like he blends right in.
I was in a 20-teamer mixed auction draft the other night and realized to my horror that David Freese was the last starting 3B on the board w/ my 3B spot unfilled (just Maikel Franco and Semien on the farm…).
I already hated David Freese. I now hate him twice as much for having to spend $6 to snag him from the other dudes who slept on 3B. I didn’t even want him!
should have included a disclaimer that this rarely applies in leagues larger than 12 teams or league-specific formats. Condolences to your Freese.
Probably no need for the deep league disclaimer: we know what we’re getting ourselves into….for better or worse!
I just hope my horror story saves others from getting cheap and bowing out on Seager/Zimmerman/Sandoval etc. only to find a much worse proposition of getting into a bidding war for someone like Freese instead of slightly overpaying someone else that’s much better.
Does some common site (Yahoo?) have Encarnacion 3B-eligible? He’s played a whopping total of 11 games at 3B the last two years combined. I didn’t think he was 3B-eligible anywhere.
Yahoo! only requires 5 starts at a position, which EE accomplished around midseason when Lawrie was hurt/took a shot at 2B.
Yup, he’s 3B in yahoo and so are Gyorko, Profar, Rendon and others. Yahoo is a joke. Anyone remember Allen Craig the “2B”? fun times
If I’m not getting Cabrera early I like waiting and getting Chris Johnson late.
Yuck!
I punted 3B in an inaugural keeper draft. Being that I share your thoughts almost exactly on how the pool of 3Bs out there is very close after those initial big 5 are gone. Ended up with Todd Frazier as the last serviceable 3B to be drafted. It was Frazier and AmRam for quite a few rounds, soon as I saw AmRam go I pounced on Frazier in the 17th round of a 16 team mixer. I gotta say I really like how well this team turned out. High hopes for this team in year 1 of this league.
I’m quite surprised there was no mention of Josh Donaldson. He was a stalwart on my championship team last year.
Agree on the strategy – and it can apply to every position. There really are only three tiers at any position – ‘can win you the league’, ‘can win you the stats in that slot’ and ‘who cares’
yep. most of it depends on the luck of who gets to you and where you’re drafting from. i like this strategy for 1st base alot too because once you get past the 1st tier (and maybe 2nd), they’re very similar value wise.
I play in a 7×7 that includes OPS and FPCT (not my choice), and based on projected stats, 3B is an absolute black hole on level with 2B and SS. It’s Miggy, Encarnacion, Beltre (who were all kept in my league, unfortunately), Wright, and Longoria, followed by death. Every other 3B returns negative value compared to average drafted player. Ugh. Trying to decide if I want to reach big time for Wright/Longoria or try to make up for it elsewhere.
Seager produces negative value?
Not to mix sports too much here, but I propose we call this threshold “4th and Long”
(When you punt)
I kinda like how everyone is sleeping on Pedro Alvarez. He’s a lucky BABIP year from being a top tier option, because with power way down around the league, getting 30-40 HRs from 3B is huge. If he manages only a .250 average, which is only an increase of 6 points from his 2012 average, with the power he has, I think he’s worth grabbing IF you miss the guys above him and IF it makes sense to the team you’ve drafted to that point. Putting him on a team with Votto or Hosmer, for example, seems like a pretty combo. I mean, Dan Uggla hit .287 one year. DAN UGGLA! It can and does happen.
On top of that Alvarez splits well against RHP. Essentially if you have a 3-deep bench, good odds you’ll draft another 3B. Since most are righties you have yourself a good split and hopefully can spell away from Alvarez on his cold streaks.
The splits alone being one of the lefty bats at 3B makes him appealing even as a UTIL which you can rotate out on bad matchups.
That’s a really pessimistic line on Ryan Zimmerman. I don’t see how you can look at either player’s history – or current health profile – and put him and Aramis Ramirez in the same bucket. They’re a few tiers apart for me.
I’m trending towards trying to pick up Seager in my drafts, even though they’re not super large, though since I like E3 so much I also have ended up with him on many a team. At Seager’s point in most drafts it is okay to take a UTIL guy who also provides depth (And since I am on Yahoo E3 can provide both slots so he has added value).
There’s some okay 3B out there, but I think waiting for Seager or another guy is perfectly viable if you don’t get a super high end one, and for that I am mostly looking at Miggy/E3. Plus, Seager is going way too low in Yahoo drafts…
I’m glad you wrote about this. I’d say the same strategy applies to first base and it’s probably even more pronounced. After Goldschmidt, Davis, Fielder and maybe Votto in OBP leagues, everyone else is just OK.
The replacement level is incredibly high at first base anyway, so I’m actually happier when I do not have to draft one of those guys.
Point:
First baseman #6 (Consensus rankings, Steamer projections): .286 — 23HR — 71R — 78 RBI –2SB (562PA)
First baseman # 27 (Consensus rankings, Steamer projections): .280 — 19HR — 62R — 70 RBI — 1 SB (491PA)
Moustakas. Prime candidate for a post-post hype sleeper. Still very young, and has all the pedigree. Has admitted that major league struggles were difficult, since he’d never struggled at any level. He could end up being the steal of the position. Tempering expectations here, though. I’m drafting him as a late flier/backup, and not as an expectant contributor to my corner infield. He’s easily ‘the guy’ late in drafts who could produce top 40-50 overall type numbers and push you over the top.
One of the issues I’m seeing at 3B is with CI leagues. 1B is so thin that most teams are turning to 3B as their CI, which is causing the top half of this list to cost a lot of money. I recently had to pay something like $18 to win Seager, but I was afraid what might happen if I let him go.
Good thinking, 3B appears relatively deep this year. The same could be said about 2B in my opinion. Not sure what the second tier grouping would look like, but off the top of my head I’m thinking it would be guys like Phillips, Hill, Murphy, Utley, Gyorko, Profar, Walker, Dozier, Rendon, etc.
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Saying Beltre and Wright, especially Beltre, are dead to you because they’re going in the “2nd and 3rd rounds” is absurd. What more could you want from your 2nd round pick that Beltre doesn’t give you? Elite power, elite average, great R/RBI numbers… ok he doesn’t steal but so what? Neither does Miggy and Beltre is Miggy-lite at the scarcest position in fantasy baseball – 3B. I’ll take Beltre alllll day in the 2nd round.