The Veto, A Vote By Any Other Name?

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Last week, a trade was accepted in my home league. It nearly split the league in two. 

Jack’s Cool League, the JCL as it’s lovingly known amongst friends, is a home league that is going on 14 years of competition amongst 10 teams, conducted in the endlessly entertaining and frustrating head-to-head categories format. 

As you may have guessed by the name, I’ve been commissioner of the league since its inception. Various rule changes have reshaped strategy over the years. 

We added quality starts. Then OPS. We expanded the default Yahoo lineups to add additional IL slots and NA slots. We increased the active roster size to 25, and then to 26, to keep pace with our colleagues in the majors. We instituted a minimum weekly innings threshold. And moved up the playoffs to end the season before major league teams start resting their stars. And this year, we rebalanced the number of utility and bench slots to try and make streaming starting pitchers more of a calculation. 

The only other change has been moving from the Commissioner having discretion to veto egregious trades to having each team having a chance to cast a vote to veto within a two-day trade review period. 

It is extremely rare for a trade to be vetoed in our league, as I believe it should be, but it has happened. Teams will use their voting power and rally other managers to vote if they feel one team is benefitting so much that it dramatically shifts the balance of the league. 

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Most recently, this impacted an otherwise simple one-for-one swap, when two managers agreed to exchange Jac Caglianone for Brent Rooker. Because the news that Rooker was out for the season came during our trade review period, managers were able to decide whether or not to veto the deal. 

Argument immediately broke out in the group chat. In the end, enough managers joined the Rooker-receiver and agreed that this would create an imbalance. The reasoning was that the manager dealing Cags away was essentially doing so without any benefit due to the injury, and thus, the result of the deal would be the same as if the two teams had colluded to make a one-sided trade.

Is this how the veto should be employed in fantasy baseball? With an eye to uneven results?

Or should the veto be allowed only in obvious instances of collusion or cheating? And does this injury news element provide an exceptional circumstance?

I’ll give you the point of view of the dissenting managers in Jack’s Cool League. 

Put simply, they say “Too bad!”

In the majors, if two teams agree to a trade and everything checks out, including physicals, and two teams agree, then the deal is done, even if a few days later one of the players in the deal is ruled out for the season. It isn’t considered collusion, it’s just bad luck. The same as when you draft a pitcher who then is under the knife for Tommy John surgery a few days later. 

To state the obvious, in fantasy baseball, we operate at an obvious information disadvantage compared to MLB front offices, one that Fangraphs and outlets like it help poke holes in, at the very least. But especially when it comes to the severity of injuries, it is even more of a guessing game for the fantasy manager than it is for the general manager. 

At least in Jack’s Cool League, the norm of voting in the face of clearly outlandish trades was important because we started the league as teenagers. And sometimes, a seventh-grader can be convinced to deal away a star player for a cheeseburger. So, it was clear the veto needed to be used to maintain the integrity of the league at that time. 

More than a decade later, this is no longer the case. And since the JCL is not a keeper league, opportunities for collusion are happily infrequent. Plus, none of us make enough to pay off another manager to accept an otherwise ill-conceived deal. 

Even still, our league’s managers have grown accustomed to having veto power, and wielding it when a particularly absurd deal is struck. 

In referring the question back to my league, I came across MLB’s own trade policy. Throughout major league history, the commissioner has used the broad, and Congressionally-approved (happy Fourth!), “best interests of baseball” clause for a variety of ends, as outlined for MLB.com by Richard Justice. These included doling out punishments related to perceived crimes, drug use, PEDs, and gambling.

But the clause has also been invoked by the commissioner to veto trades that would threaten the integrity of the league. This primarily has been used against teams selling star players when their owners were going through financial troubles. One of the most prominent examplesof this came when the A’s (plagued it seems by questionable owners) owner Charlie Finley tried to sell the legendary pitchers Rollie Fingers and Vida Blue in separate deals in 1976, attempting to deal them before free agency was instituted.

With that example, it seems that maybe there is some argument to be made for fantasy commissioners to be able to keep the best interests of their own leagues in mind.

But when asking some of my fellow Rotographs colleagues about the veto, the reply was unanimous. Vetoes should be used sparingly, and should only occur when you believe a team is cheating or teams are colluding. 

Is this how your league operates, with limited instances of the veto? Do you think a perceived imbalance is enough to justify a veto? Especially when season-ending injuries are involved? And does the “best interests of [fantasy] baseball” argument hold water for you?

Better yet, do you want to know which end of the cheeseburger deal I was on? 

Let me know below. 





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misterjohnnyMember since 2016
14 days ago

We have a keeper league that has been going on for almost 40 years. We have never vetoed a trade.

stockhfcrx2Member since 2019
14 days ago

I’d say the team that traded away rooker should be allowed to decide if he wants to undo the trade in good faith. Otherwise, tough luck. But if you have veto voting, it’s up to the league.

CraftyLeftyKRMember since 2026
14 days ago

I’m in the camp of vetos should only be used for cheating or collusion, Injuries are just bad luck and part of the game, even if they occur during the review period. I’m maybe in the minority on this because in my fantasy baseball and football leagues the trades that will get veto votes are wild to me – a lot of “two consenting adults agreed to it” trades I think are fine if lopsided get vetos. Do people prefer league votes over commish discretion? I could go either way.

dubya777
14 days ago

Solid article. 10-team leagues are not real, however.

Paul SporerFanGraphs Staff
13 days ago
Reply to  dubya777

Now, now, none of that! (I know you’re teasin!) No league is better/worse based exclusively on the league settings. We all have our preferences and while I love deeper leagues, there’s plenty of excellent 10-teamers.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
14 days ago

Almost never. And that’s why I disagree with the notion of trade votes. It just opens the floor to trades becoming an issue of league politics.

If you really think collusion is going on, the proper sanction is removal from the league.

About the only case that I can think of for a trade veto would be a very experienced owner taking advantage of a fantasy baseball newbie. Still, unless it was going to significantly destabilize the league I’d let it go through as a learning experience, and even if otherwise I would work hard to get the principals to agree to withdraw the trade before I killed it.

In the particular case of the Rooker deal cited, caveat emptor applies. Rooker’s buyer could stand to learn a lesson about trading for players who are actively injured.

Last edited 14 days ago by HappyFunBall
g4Member since 2020
14 days ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I tend to agree with HFB that in this example Rooker being on the IL at the time matters. To wit: Trading for a guy rehabbing from TJ comes with the well-understood risk of a setback. If news of that season-ending setback breaks a week after the trade instead of 2 days, your league could not and likely would not retroactively veto. But the “imbalanced results” of both trades are the same. I guess if the league is willing to accept a high degree of inconsistency in veto application, so be it. But I prefer to err on the side of “b***hing prevention.”

The exception to the rule here may be that you have an owner involved in the trade actively campaigning the league to kaibosh their own deal within the veto window. That is a different animal than league owners undermining mutual consent due to “perceptions” of imbalance. As stock said in their comment, feels like the ideal first step would be Commish approaching the Jac owner with a request to voluntarily undo the trade in the interest of fair play and to avoid setting bad veto usage precedents.

gydemeMember since 2026
14 days ago

It may depend on whether you are running a full keeper league or not. In a full keeper I would argue on the side that the trade is the trade. In an annual picking league I could hear out an argument that while within a trade review window an injury occurs the trade could be backed out on. That said, I would also argue in favor of an explicit rule regarding injuries and trades so that there are no chances of random league politics spiking a deal.

now if we were talking fantasy football……

trixmcgeeMember since 2026
14 days ago

Good question, but in general, I am nearly 100% against Vetos….I tend to believe that collusion is a rarity, especially in a home league, and with your statement:

“But when asking some of my fellow Rotographs colleagues about the veto, the reply was unanimous. Vetoes should be used sparingly, and should only occur when you believe a team is cheating or teams are colluding. ”

–I completely agree with your colleagues. I think unless there is clear cheating, vetoes should almost never be used…

seymour114
14 days ago

I get the argument about clearing the medicals and if it were presented to me that way, I’d probably go along with it. But I’d absolutely add that stipulation into the league constitution.

I’m reluctant to start deciding things “for the good of the league” or however you want to phrase it because that’s still entirely subjective. We don’t even have a trade window now – they just automatically go through. If it becomes obvious collusion it’ll show up in the league chat and the LM will arbitrate. But I’m not sitting through a bunch of people arguing about league balance or something as if one trade will irreparably harm multiple future years.

Even in the rare cases in the past where a new owner is being taken advantage of, we’ve largely operated under the principle that you can’t manage somebody else’s team and it’ll be a learning opportunity for them.

RagbraiMember since 2018
14 days ago

Our NL only league has been in existence since 1990. Currently an 11 team league. We have never vetoed a trade, nor does anyone have the authority to do so. We are a keeper league where players can be kept for three years. Our trade deadline is the same as MLB. Yes some
expensive studs or guys with no contracts get traded for younger, cheaper, retainable players, just as they are in MLB. Maybe it’s just the integrity of our managers but we have never had a problem. A bit lopsided trades might happen but nothing too egregious. Sometimes teams over pay for players. Each manager decides his own path for this year and next.

Charlie HustleMember since 2016
14 days ago

Just speaking to this case, it seems absurd to veto it based on “creating an imbalance”. Rooker is now out for the season. Whoever owns him takes a hit, whether it be the team that trades for him or the team that tries to trade him. Injuries happen. Fortunes change. This is not imbalance. It’s fantasy baseball. Vetoing the trade only impacts which team is “imbalanced”.

What if the injury is announced 1 hour after 2-day veto period? Or 1 hour before, but there isn’t enough time for everyone to submit a vote before it goes through? Where is the cutoff that determines when a trade is deemed fair? Given how rapidly things can change in fantasy baseball, it seems more fair to judge the “balance” of a trade during the time frame it was agreed to, not some arbitrary time frame afterwards.

What if the Rooker-receiver is in first place? Do the owners still prioritize “balance” over “change of fortune” if balance means the team in first dodges a bullet, making it harder for everyone else to win the league? I think we all agree that vetoes (or votes) should be based on the principle of fairness, not on an agenda of self-interest.

All that said, I’d prefer to play in a league where the two teams that agreed to the trade could all it off by mutual consent up to the time it becomes official (veto deadline). I have not problem with the person who traded Rooker not wanting to call it off, be he or she should have the option to do so.

Another Old GuyMember since 2020
14 days ago

I largely agree with all the posts here. I have to reflect on my maturing in age (sigh) and as a fantasy baseball player (which is still evolving) with this comment. Many years ago, I should have used the veto on a trade that was made between two friends in a league. In hindsight, it was clear collusion. My own ignorance about the players led me not to do so. The huge inequity of the trade cost another league member a deserved title IMHO which is not fair. As I learned the player pool more deeply, I admit to far too frequently vetoing trades. With maturity as a fantasy player I now rarely veto a trade. It helps to put one’s self in the shoes of each manager when evaluating the trade. In classic roto, looking at the standings and IP limit situation also plays a big role in making a seeming unbalanced trade look much more balanced. Just a thought, if both the offering manager and the receiving manager in a trade would post some brief written logic for why the trade was offered and accepted, it helps the evaluation process. I completely agree with HappyFunBall on trading for an injured player, unless the season ending injury occurs within the trade approval window.

dewMember since 2016
14 days ago

dunno man I can’t even see why this is controversial. Trade is agreed upon one guy “passes his physical” the other doesn’t – trade nixed. This doesn’t happen in real world?

BobMember since 2020
14 days ago

I don’t like the whole business of voting on trades one bit. When I’ve seen trades vetoed over the years, I firmly believe managers were voting to keep an opponent from getting better rather than policing collusion or some such problem most of the time. When possible, I try to play in leagues with active commissioner services and clear guidelines for what constitutes evidence of collusion and similar reasons for possible trade reversal.

BearInMindMember since 2018
14 days ago

I’ve seen vetos break up leagues in baseball and football…which is sad and disappointing. It’s only happened, twice I think, over two decades. But it’s happened. I’m definitely a “only veto if it’s clear collusion”. Everyone evaluates players differently. That’s the whole point of even playing fantasy sports. That’s also why fantasy baseball is way more fun than fantasy football, imo. Anyway, unfortunately, I’ve voted at least 1 time to veto a trade. It was clear collusion, and that was one of the leagues that cratered.

BearInMindMember since 2018
14 days ago
Reply to  BearInMind

One of my pet peeves in trades (and I’ve received veto votes for this difference of opinion before) is when people think it’s unfair based on past performance. If I’m making a trade, it’s based on my assessment of *future* performance. So buy-low trades or even sell-high trades, can sometimes look ridiculous at the time. That’s why I read Rotographs, damn it.