Steamer and I: Mike Trout
Today, I continue this year’s Steamer and I series, but switch it up to the other side. That is, the first two players I compared my Pod Projection to Steamer were those I was significantly more bullish on. Now I’ll take a look at a player I am far more bearish on than Steamer.
It should not surprise you that the fantasy relevant player I’m most pessimistic on versus Steamer is actually Xander Bogaerts, who I discussed last week. Obviously, I’m not going to talk about him a second time. So instead, I move down the list and find a big surprise – 2014 MVP Mike Trout. I debated whether it was even worth writing a potentially negative article on him because my opinion isn’t going to matter much. But I’m actually quite curious about what is driving my pessimism versus Steamer since this is a complete surprise to me. So let’s find out, shall we?
For our projection comparison, all 2015 and Steamer counting stats have been extrapolated to the same number of plate appearances I forecasted.
| System | PA | 2B | 3B | HR | BB% | K% | AVG | OBP | SLG | ISO | wOBA | BABIP |
| 2015 | 675 | 32 | 6 | 41 | 13.5% | 23.2% | 0.299 | 0.402 | 0.590 | 0.290 | 0.415 | 0.344 |
| Pod | 675 | 34 | 7 | 33 | 13.2% | 22.8% | 0.294 | 0.393 | 0.547 | 0.254 | 0.397 | 0.345 |
| Steamer | 675 | 33 | 5 | 38 | 13.9% | 21.3% | 0.307 | 0.410 | 0.585 | 0.278 | 0.418 | 0.350 |
We first find that our doubles projection is identical, so we can move right along. Steamer is forecasting Trout to hit a career low number of triples, for the second straight season, while I’m forecasting a minor rebounding closer to his pre-2015 seasons. Given the decline in speed Trout experienced last year, I can certainly understand Steamer’s stance here. However, he’s still just 24! I think that makes his Spd score more likely to rebound than if he was much older. As such, I’m forecasting a marginal bounce back.
We then stumble on over to the home runs, where we find most of the answer to our question. Trout set a new career high last year in home runs with 41, and he easily bested his previous career high HR/FB rate set in 2012, by posting a 25.3% mark, good for fifth among qualified hitters. But I’ve always been suspicious of his power. His batted ball distances and xHR/FB rates simply haven’t supported his output and I keep waiting for the magic to dry up. Check out his history:
| Season | Batted Ball Distance | xHR/FB | HR/FB |
| 2012 | 281.4 | 15.0% | 21.6% |
| 2013 | 282.8 | 15.5% | 16.5% |
| 2014 | 289.1 | 18.0% | 17.8% |
| 2015 | 293.4 | 21.4% | 25.3% |
He has never posted elite distance marks and even his career high last year still ranked just 58th among batters who hit at least 30 flies and homers. In 2013 and 2014, he posted very similar actual HR/FB rates to his xHR/FB rates, while he outperformed his xHR/FB rates in 2012 and 2015. He hasn’t shown a sustained ability to outperform his xHR/FB rate and his home park certainly isn’t the answer, given its 93 right-handed home run factor and Trout’s slightly better career road HR/FB rate mark. So bottom line, I think this was a fluke. It’s why I’m projecting his HR/FB rate to decline to 20%, which is just above his career average. I’m guessing Steamer is more optimistic than I am, given its forecast of five additional homers in the same number of at-bats.
Our walk rate projections are somewhat similar, in that they are both in the 13% range. However, Steamer is projecting Trout to post the second highest mark of his career, while I’m projecting some slight regression towards his career average. His intentional walk rate will likely play a role, as it has jumped around the last three seasons.
We find another discrepancy in the projected strikeout rate. Trout’s strikeout rate ballooned in 2014, thanks to a career low Contact% and high SwStk%. Though both marks were still better than the league average, suggesting that a mid-20% strikeout rate wasn’t going to stay for long. He did improve that strikeout rate last year, but both his Contact% and SwStk% marks were virtually identical. In fact, his entire set of plate discipline metrics were about the same from 2014 to 2015, with the only difference coming from worse outside the zone contact in 2015, offset by better in-zone contact.
Since he’s now gone two years with these elevated SwStk% marks and strikeout rates, I’m thinking this may be a new baseline, so I projected minimal improvement. Steamer, on the other hand, is projecting the second lowest strikeout rate of his career! That doesn’t really make much sense to me.
We finish at the BABIP projection, with yet another surprise. It’s extremely rare for Steamer to project a higher BABIP than I do. Sometimes I wonder if it’s forecasting a historical low BABIP in baseball given the marks I see, compared to what I’m forecasting. Trout has outperformed his xBABIP in three of his four seasons, with the lone one he underperformed coming in 2015. It’s very, very surprising to see that Steamer’s BABIP projection is actually highest among ZiPS, Fans, and Pod. It’s just another driver of our projection gap.
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So which projection do you agree with more, Steamer or Pod?
Mike Podhorzer is the founder of ProjectingX IQ, an advanced fantasy baseball analytics platform that transforms projection data and in-season performance signals into actionable intelligence. He is the 2015 Fantasy Sports Writers Association Baseball Writer of the Year and three-time Tout Wars champion. He is the author of the eBook Projecting X 2.0: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance, which teaches you how to project players yourself. Follow Mike on X@MikePodhorzer and contact him via email.
I will take the side of Mike Trout.
I don’t know man. I can see regressing power somewhat from last year, but down to 33 HR? That’s pre-2013 levels. Still only 24 years old, and while it’s hard for us to imagine skills growth when he started at such a high level, it’s NOT hard to imagine that he continues to pound more HRs in his mid 20s.
I guess the only time this would matter is choosing him or Harper at #1 overall (I imagine Kershaw is either #1, or behind both guys). So for the 1/12th of your readers who have the choice – who do you go with between Trout/Harper?
So do you expect a HR/FB rate higher than 20%?
Ya know, was going to add the following to the end, but didn’t – even given my apparently bearish projections, he’s still the #1 pick and Harper isn’t all that close. Heck, I don’t even have Harper 2nd!
I don’t have the expertise to argue with you on the components. I’m sure your methodology is sound, and you have to be consistent across all players or a projections system just doesn’t work.
We know that projection systems tend to compress the range of outcomes. I’m just saying that I’ll bet the OVER on Trout at 33 HR, even if it’s the most defensible projected number.
Who’s the #2 hitter for you? Trout/Harper/Goldy are default top 3… would be very interested if you go elsewhere. I know your numbers value speed higher than most.
My projections have Trout–Goldy–Correa.
I also bumped Correa over two other players due to position scarcity.
@Dscottncc: Correa at 3 overall seems nuts to me.
1) I don’t make positional adjustments anywhere but Catcher. The replacement level at OF, CI, and MI are within 40 cents of each other in my unweighted projections, so even if you wanted to adjust that it’s not going to jump him
2) Variation on outputs from Correa have to be very high. Yes, he could earn #3 overall if he repeats last year. But if you draft at #3, he HAS to perform that way, and he has to have one of the highest chances to bust of any 1st rounder
3) Floor is more important than ceiling early on. It’s not really possible to gain a big profit on a 1st rounder, so I’m looking to try and ensure steady production from that high-value spot
Do you have Goldy 2 and Harper 3?
At work now so can’t recall my entire order. But I know Goldy is 2nd. Actually, not even 100% that he’s not first, barely above Trout. Positive they are the top 2, Harper isn’t 3. In LABR, I think Gordon was my 3rd best hitter, which seems crazy, but speed is worth more in that league than in a 12 teamer. Values change in that shallower format.
My top 10 values:
Harper/Trout: $48
Kershaw: $44
Goldy: $42
Arenado/Machado/Donaldson/Betts/Rizzo/Stanton: $36-$37
so I think the top 4 are pretty clearly above the others, and then a big jumble
You mean “deeper format,” right? More teams and players is deeper, less players and teams is shallower.
No I meant shallower, referring to the 12 team league I ended the previous sentence mentioning.
I think I agree with your regression, with that said, I still take him number 1. Those numbers still put him atop my rankings in my excel spreadsheet.
Mike, great work, as always. But how can you not include stolen bases in this projection? Please give us your ballpark figure and your reason for it. I got burned a couple years ago when Trout was coming off his first two high steal seasons and dropped to 16. Then 11 last year. My guess is around 10. Yours?
Ha, because I was comparing my rate stat projections to Steamer, not fantasy stats. I’m at 17 steals, figuring some bounce back.
He’s publically stated that he’d like to get back to stealing more.
Whether or not he does is anyone’s guess.