Should You Be Buying Jake Odorizzi?
Entering spring training, Jake Odorizzi did not have a starting rotation spot in hand. But then an elbow injury to Jeremy Hellickson opened up a spot and Odorizzi won out over Erik Bedard and Cesar Ramos. A popular sleeper choice in a presumed good situation in Tampa Bay, Odorizzi hasn’t exactly impressed, having posted a 4.72 ERA and 1.38 WHIP over 14 starts. Surely the former top prospect was expected to perform better.
As usual, ERA isn’t exactly the best way to evaluate performance. Odorizzi’s SIERA stands at a much more intriguing 3.42. Both an inflated .328 BABIP and suppressed 69.5% LOB% have wreaked havoc on his ERA. So SIERA suggests that he should be better moving forward, assuming his skills are sustained of course. But are they actually sustainable?
Driving that SIERA is primarily a surprisingly high 26.4% strikeout percentage. If he had thrown enough innings to qualify for the leaderboard, he would rank 10th, right behind Corey Kluber. Sure, he posted a similar 25.2% strikeout rate at Triple-A in 2013, but that was his second tour around that league and the prior year at the same level he managed just a 19.1% mark. Both the Steamer and ZiPS projections also called for a strikeout rate of just 18% to 19%. So by all accounts, he has outperformed expectations on the strikeout rate front. So let’s figure out what’s behind this strikeout rate surge.
His fastball, at least by velocity, is unimpressive, as it averages just 90.5 mph. He complements that with both a slider and curve ball, as well as a splitter/changeup, depending on which source you check. A quick look at his SwStk% marks by pitch type reveals some surprising information — all of his secondary pitches induce swings and misses at a worse than league average rate for that pitch type! Both his fastball have been better than average, which is how he has been able to maintain about a league average overall SwStk%. If you check out his Baseball-Reference page, you’ll notice that by their definition of swinging strikes, he’s been slightly below average.
So with just average ability to generate swings and misses, where the heck are all those strikeouts coming from? If you jump back to that Baseball-Reference page, you’ll notice that his rate of called strikes has jumped. Of course, it has now merely reached league average territory. So that’s now getting us anywhere closer to an explanation given that both his rate of called and swinging strikes are about league average.
The final strike rate type percentage is that of fouls. Finally, a somewhat clearer picture emerges. His 33.6% mark is significantly above the league average that sits around 27% and ranks second among all starters in baseball. Foul strikes have the lowest impact on a pitcher’s strikeout rate for obvious reasons. Although a foul could add a strike to the count to eventually lead to a strikeout, foul balls themselves rarely result in a strikeout. So Odorizzi’s high strikeout rate is driven primarily by a massive rate of foul strikes. That’s simply not the type of skill I want to rely on continuing.
Odorizzi’s xK% according to my latest formula is 24.9%, which is only 1.5% below his actual mark, suggesting he hasn’t been all that lucky. But given that foul strike rates are the flakiest of all and it’s easy to see how what had been a foul strike is now a ball in play, it’s hard to believe he’s going to remain at this level. If his foul strike rate drops to 30%, which is still well above league average, his strikeout rate drops all the way down to 21.7%. That would have resulted in 14 fewer strikeouts than he current has.
Since he’s a fly ball pitcher and his control is just mediocre, his fantasy value is entirely dependent on those strikeouts continuing to pile up. I don’t have confidence that they will and so I think his current SIERA overstates what fantasy owners might enjoy if his luck neutralizes. That said, he’s clearly nowhere near as bad as a 4.73 ERA would indicate, so he could be a good target in deeper leagues. But, his owner must not be saber-savvy, otherwise he’ll be well aware of his SIERA and be less likely to give him away for peanuts.
Mike Podhorzer is the founder of ProjectingX IQ, an advanced fantasy baseball analytics platform that transforms projection data and in-season performance signals into actionable intelligence. He is the 2015 Fantasy Sports Writers Association Baseball Writer of the Year and three-time Tout Wars champion. He is the author of the eBook Projecting X 2.0: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance, which teaches you how to project players yourself. Follow Mike on X@MikePodhorzer and contact him via email.
He’s 15th not 10th in K% if you include other non-qualifiers (Kershaw, Sale, etc)
1 Clayton Kershaw 34.4 %
2 Jose Fernandez 34.2 %
3 Chris Sale 30.9 %
4 Yu Darvish 29.3 %
5 Masahiro Tanaka 29.1 %
6 Stephen Strasburg 28.8 %
7 Felix Hernandez 27.6 %
8 David Price 27.3 %
9 Collin McHugh 27.2 %
10 Max Scherzer 27.1 %
11 Johnny Cueto 26.8 %
12 Jake Arrieta 26.7 %
13 Madison Bumgarner 26.5 %
14 Corey Kluber 26.4 %
15 Jake Odorizzi 26.4 %
Excellent write Mike. And you give a strong opinion on his future results. Thanks.
Now, how about a follow-up on the potential strikeout surgers and decliners article.
AND, what do you think about Jake Arrietta. Some of his numbers are close to Odorizzi (SwStk%). But he has higher velo and has added a cutter which seems to be doing very well. Please provide your opinion or an article on him if you have time.
Would you pick up Arrieta and drop Odorizzi?
Nice article by Eno on FG about Arietta. It doesn’t go into the results like this one about Odorizzi. Instead it talks about the change to the cutter. I think I would pick Arietta.
Would still like Pods opinion.
I picked up Odorizzi and dropped Harang. I’m comfortable with my decision for now.
I’ve been following his starts recently and, though I haven’t actually looked at the data, it seems like his pitch count gets up there relatively quickly even if he’s not walking a ton of guys or giving up lots of hits. A high rate of foul balls seems like it could be part of that explanation. Very cool stuff, though not exactly what I was hoping to hear as an owner of Odorizzi in a 12 team mixed.
I’ve read things about him struggling his second/third time through the lineup. Is there a way to measure strike rates the second or third time through? i.e. is he giving up more foul balls as the game goes on, or is it fairly constant? Wondering if hitters are making an adjustment to him or if this is just something that’s happening all over the place.
Definitely an interesting read on Odor. Going to admit I just picked him up off the waiver wire though in my AL only league. I would have liked to see some mention of how poor his April had been relative to his recent performance. I see a lot of other things that look positive in his performance numbers: GB% up, Contact % down, O-Swing % up a bit while Z-Swing % is down (haven’t had a chance to look into this, but suggests to me that his pitches might have more deception or movement), the LD% is down significantly yet he looks to have been a little unlucky with his BABIP coming from IFH’s and BUH’s. I’m certainly willing to debate if the LD% is just an aberration, but I think you could also argue that the foul strikes are more of a sign of hitters changing batting habits as well versus just positive luck for Odorizzi. For example, note how that his overall Swing% is down this year while his F-Strike % is actually up. This discussion is probably licking the tree at this point. So suffice it to say that I would argue there are a number of positive trending developments in his performance metrics that one could use to offset the foul strike decline viewpoint.
If you look though, his foul ball strike ratio this year at 33.6% is actually below his last two years, which combined adds another 37 innings of support to his foul ball strike ratio. In all, he’s averaged 34.7% as a major league pitcher, is higher. This has also lead to him pitching less deep into games. While this isn’t a ton more data it supports his numbers.
In addition, his walk rate this year at 3.58 per 9 is likely inflating his SIERA a bit since it is higher than any level that he pitched over 21 innings. Not by a lot, but should offset a little bit of a k decline.
I’m not suggesting his k rate won’t decline, it’s ridiculously high. But I am suggesting it may not fall as much as you might anticipate.
Jake O has changed the way he has pitched in the last month or so. Because of this you can’t quite crunch his season numbers and get the most accurate pitcher. You need to watch some games before and after. He’s now a poor mans Jared Weaver in a way.
Jered Weaver is a poor man’s Jered Weaver
watching him pitch makes me want to pick him up from free agency despite all the saber talk. he has nice=>nasty movement on some pitches that confuse hitters. he does seem to start hot and get rattled second and third times through the lineup. i wonder if his “pitch strategy” and/or battery partner (Hanigan) may have something to do with his struggles.