Rotographs Top 300 Now Available

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February 17, 2015

On Friday we released our positional rankings with the promise of a Top 300 forthcoming. It is now available on the spreadsheet which you can find in the original post here. Our own Dan Schwartz has embedded the Top 300 for us below:

UPDATE: I’ve adjusted the rankings for instances were one or more rankers didn’t include a guy as pointed out in the comments. Now those guys get a last ranked+1 for that particular ranker. (ex. I ranked 345, so everyone else gets a 346 for the purposes of this rank). It’s not perfect since we didn’t all rank the exact same set, but at least this skews on the side of bringing the guys down to where they belong instead of artificially inflating them within the average.

 

Rankings based on 5×5 roto, 12 teams, single-catcher with Middle Infield and Corner Infield spots, 14 hitters and 9 pitchers. Each ranker had their own mix of projections and intuition. 

Last Update: 2/17/15





 

Paul is the Editor of Rotographs and Content Director for OOTP Perfect Team. Follow Paul on Twitter @sporer and on Twitch at sporer.

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Swaggerjackers
9 years ago

I thought Pods had Billy the Kid in his top 20?

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Paul Sporermember
9 years ago
Reply to  Swaggerjackers

I believe that was based on the 15-team format of LABR. This is for 12-teams.

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Mike Dmember
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

…and that matters because?

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Paul Sporermember
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

His values change based on league settings. And everyone’s should, to be honest, whether you’re using pure math, a mix of math and personal touch, or pure personal touch (aka gut).

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Mike Dmember
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

How does that matter? If you have a 345 guys to choose from or 276, there shouldn’t be much of a difference if you drop the worst 69 guys from your list of 345.

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Paul Sporermember
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

How do you figure? The number of teams and player pool used is *always* a factor.

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Mike Dmember
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

Proportionally it’s basically the same. If you drop the worst 69 of the 345 players of a 15 team league, you would have the same player pool than if it was a 12 team league, excluding some shifting in catchers because you’ll easily have more than 6 catchers in that group of 69 players.

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Chad Lewis
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

It’s not about just dropping the 60 worst players. It’s about the replacement level options, and how many SB are going to be had in a league and the % that Hamilton delivers

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Mike Dmember
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

I’m quite aware of the replacement level options. So if you add 40 hitters to that pool of replacement players, the valuations are not going to change dramatically.

I’m participating in both the NFBC Primetime (12 team) and NFBC Main Event (15 team) so I’ve done the calculations. Most of the Top 100 doesn’t move that much (0-4 spots) with the exception of catchers. Billy Hamilton goes from #41 in my Primetime rankings – based solely on math – to #37. The variation in the expert lists in this article is greater than that difference.

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Mike Dmember
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

I’m not saying that you don’t make adjustments because the player pool changes, but the change from 12- to 15-team format has less impact than you think. As I already said the variability in the expert lists above is more variable than the calculations you’ll find in a 12 vs. 15 team format.

If you do the math solely on Hamilton’s SB’s and 23 rounds of hitters, the percentage of SB’s Hamilton gets from the 23 round player pool goes from 2.6% to 3%. Its not much.

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jdbolick
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

mdecav: Replacement level is calculated for each position, not one figure for the entire drafted player pool. Therefore a change in the number of teams will change the replacement level distinctly at each position.

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Mike Podhorzermember
9 years ago
Reply to  Swaggerjackers

Paul is correct. When I say that values change depending on format, this is what I mean.

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Mike Dmember
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Podhorzer

The only thing that should change should be catcher rankings between a 15 team and 12 team format. Otherwise there isn’t going to be much difference in the Top 100

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TheTinDoor
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Podhorzer

mdecav – pretty much any valid value formula takes into account the specific player pool (# of starters at each position) – the actual $ value of the same HRs/R/RBI/SB change depending on who’s in the player pool. Losing the bottom 69 players doesn’t just drop them from the list, it impacts the value of the remaining players’ stats

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RotoworldModsAreNazis
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Podhorzer

Is mdecav Russian for “noob”?

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Paul Sporermember
9 years ago
Reply to  Swaggerjackers

It’s not the same. Particularly with someone like Hamilton who is a specialist that excels in a category. Pod can probably expound or you can call up his piece on why he took Hamilton where he did in LABR. But it’s not the same regardless of team count and roster size. Those differences all matter.

The waiver wire in a 10-team and 15-team is VASTLY different and thus how you’d draft in those setups is different. A 12-team is somewhere in between, but still different than both.

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Patrick
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

In 10-12 team leagues steals are more plentiful on the waiver wire. Guys like Dyson, Fuld etc.

A simple example:
Say there is 4 team league with 3 RP spots. Only 12 closers need to be owned. Closers’ value are greatly devalued because there are plenty of them on the waiver wire. Why would I take Chapman with the 50th pick when I can get a guy who make up 80% of his value freely on the waiver wire?

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