Rotographs Rankings Update
Hey y’all, I mentioned in my chat that I’d get a ranking update out there ASAP. I wanted to finish last night, but I couldn’t. This is a little dirtier than our original ranks for two reasons: 1) only three rankers involve and 2) I didn’t have time to weave the three together for a composite as Zach and Dan sent me files and I had mine on a separate file. Given the time crunch I’m in to get this out for y’all, I just put all of ours on one file, but separately. I can clean it up next week, but here it is for now! Oh and there’s no overall, but frankly I think positional rankings are much more useful. Again, I know it’s a little dirty, but I wanted to get something out for everyone.
Would anyone really take Alexei Ramirez over Troy Tulowitzki? The injury risk doesn’t even come close to making up for how much better Tulo is.
Totally agree–that’s just asinine
You guys haven’t heard? Zach has developed the ability to predict future injury, but is going to keep writing about fantasy baseball instead of selling those skills to MLB teams.
Yeah, that’s just goofy and really, well…
Ditto – can’t take the rankings seriously after that
Well y’all got two other guys to look at on there. I know some don’t agree with Zach, but he was clowned pretty hard last year for his Altuve (too high allegedly) & Cargo (too low) rankings and those panned out so maybe he is onto something with some of these.
What a bunch of horsehit.
There’s a legit case to be made that Ramirez should be ranked higher, and anyone who says otherwise is basically just being supremely closed-minded.
“The injury risk doesn’t even come close to making up for how much better Tulo is.”
Huh, I wonder what happened last year then?
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/end-of-season-fantasy-baseball-rankings-values-shortstops/
Ramirez was worth 30% more than Tulowitzki last year, even with Tulo having ridiculous BABIP luck driving his numbers (especially BA) to heights he won’t reach again. There’s your injury risk. And not only was Ramirez worth more, he clocked Tulo by over nearly five bucks in value.
And don’t forget, if you’re in any sort of reasonably deep league (10-12 team AL or NL, for example), when Tulo is out, you get to most likely put some negative value schlub in there, further degrading the value you get with Tulo at SS.
Ramirez has played 158 games each of the least four years.
I’m not saying I would rank Ramirez ahead of Tulowitzki necessarily. But there is certainly an argument to be made in favor of it. The knee-jerk reaction claiming otherwise is goofy and wrong.
EDIT: ” And not only was Ramirez worth more, he clocked Tulo by nearly five bucks in value.” (Omit the word “over”, for obvious reasons…)
Losing Tulo would really hurt in an AL only league huh?
Well, Dan left Hanley off his SS list altogether, so I suppose there are questions to be asked all around.
He has Hanley as an OF.
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/end-of-season-fantasy-baseball-rankings-values-shortstops/
So it would also be reasonable to rank Adam LaRoche ahead of Paul Goldschmidt:
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/end-of-season-fantasy-rankings-auction-values-first-basemen/
I’m looking for someone to join my OBP league, auction tonight at 10pm ET. Please reply if interested. Thanks.
is a fun league or money league? definitely interested in trying out OBP if it’s for bragging rights in an active league.
Tulowitzski almost matched Ramirez’s production in half the ABs, i would love to see a draft where ramirez goes off the board first.
Where’s trumbo?
Paul does your ranking Betances #2 in RP not reflect the news of his reduced velocity this spring? I know it’s not a huge deal at this point, but if the media keeps harping on it, it makes it easier for Girardi to go with Miller to start the year.
I considered dropping him, but decided to hold strong after hearing him talk about it.
do you really think girardis decision is going to be based on the media “harping” on it?
Players are human, and managers always point out the mental strength supposedly needed to be a closer. If Betances is feeling the spotlight on him, there’s a good chance Girardi would prefer to relieve the pressure and let him get his swagger back in last year’s role.
A lot of ifs and assumptions, but I don’t think it’s that unlikely.
7 days too late. oh well… useful for post draft work i guess
Paul…by all this complaining, I think people meant to say ‘Thank you’. Thanks for the updated rankings and all your good work.
No such thing as bad PR
It’s okay to be critical of rankings–isn’t that part of why we love sports anyways?
Joe, critical is one thing, that never bothers me. It’s the non-constructive stuff that does us all no good.
Guys,where would one Mookie Betts rank on the 2B hierarchy?
Butler 3 spots ahead of Votto?? Even Votto laughs at Butler’s lack of power.
Thanks for the update!
Hard for me to believe that Zach has Scherzer ranked 9th. Yes, his contract is ridiculous. But he’s still relatively young, shows no signs of wearing down, and has elite K rates and K/BB rates. And he’s moving to the NL, from a pretty bad defense to an excellent defense, and also getting a slight boost in park effects. Given all that, hard for me to see him sitting that low. I actually think there’s a case to be made that he’s the number 1 SP this year in fantasy baseball.
Completely agree. Mad Max is number 2 for me on SP boards…. toss up with the King
I’m gad to see Adrian Gonzalez 6th or 7th at 1b ranks…. call me a pussy but I greatly value his consistency and can never understand his big site rankings in the 50 or 60s…. a consistent top 30 bat IMO who I feel comfortable taking in the 3rd rd of many leagues.
Any else feel AGon disrespected?
pussy
Insightful
Paul what is your reason for having Billy Hamilton lower in comparison to other rankings?
Well it’s because I don’t think he can hit yet, however it’s still too low because I didn’t realize he was the 12th OF with last year’s performance, but my ranking is more about where I’d take him. Even though he was all the up at 12th last year, I don’t like the one-trick ponies that much so I’d still take all those guys ahead of him, but yeah if I’m trying to predict the final rankings then he’s too low.
Hi Paul, good morning. You may have already discussed this on the podcast or in print, but you mind briefly sharing your thoughts on why bumgarner falls so much further down your rankings than anywhere else I’ve seen him?
Also hey, I’m a fellow Austinite, and would love to join a local money league with you, if there is one with space available. It may be too late to get in this season, but keep me in mind! You going to Chappelle this week? Thursday late for me, hollerrrrrrrrrrrr!
-Byrone
Hey Byrone,
I’m not really *down* on him all that much, to be honest, it’s just that I’m higher on others. Additionally, he was amazing last year and finished 9th and I don’t think he bests last year.
I don’t think we’re gonna get a live league together this year because of the time we have left, but I’m looking at starting a unique kind of league so if you’re interested, let me get your email addy so I can send you details if I’m able to get it off the ground.
yeah I’d be down, you can email me at byron.minton@gmail.com