Rotographs Mock Draft – Third Base Results
Looking at the recent ridiculously early mock draft from a stony selection of the Rotographs raconteurs, I was A) quite pleased that I didn’t participate and subject myself to the scrutiny of the learned readers here and B) struck by the fact that third base continues to give me the heebee jeebees.
Third base has generally been my beat over the last twelve months for Rotographs and the implications of the 2012 season haven’t helped me rest well when thinking about the hot corner. While this year might welcome Chase Headley to the fantasy super-duper we also saw the departure of Jose Bautista due to eligibility, Kevin Youkilis due to Kevin Youkilis, Alex Rodriguez to the girl in the fourth row, and Michael Young to relevance.
And this gives me pause.
My editorializing aside, what struck me about this mock was the voracity with which decent third base contributors were snatched up. Reading over the names quite literally left my teeth grinding.
For a recap, the mock saw the following third basemen selected in the corresponding draft slots:
| Player | Overall |
|---|---|
| Miguel Cabrera | 2 |
| David Wright | 14 |
| Adrian Beltre | 15 |
| Evan Longoria | 16 |
| Hanley Ramirez | 18 |
| Ryan Zimmerman | 28 |
| Chase Headley | 48 |
| Pablo Sandoval | 51 |
| Brett Lawrie | 54 |
There wasn’t another third baseman selected for another 40 picks. Feast or famine. Or was it?
Longoria at 16 actually sees his stock drop a tiny bit from last season while Cabrera pretty much moves not an inch (there’s a joke about his defense in there). Wright and Beltre both jump up almost a full round and Ramirez and Zimmerman slipped a few, but not appreciably.
Then we have the movers. Headley moved up about 150 picks over 2012 while Sandoval and Lawrie moved down about 10-15 picks. Whether this presents itself as an opportunity on the latter or an overbid on the former obviously rests in your individual projections. But if you’re buying Headley’s 2012, then 48 represents a bargain. But I’m guessing few of you expect a repeat, so he’s still a little risky.
But, this mock lends itself well to the thing I like to do at just about any position, should it apply. I don’t know that it has a particular name or principle, but it’s essentially a cut-off point. A point in which you say, “self, you’re apparently not getting Miguel Cabrera and you just lost out on David Wright, and knowing yourself you’re not going to pull any of these other third basemen in the next four rounds because you just don’t like them enough. So punt until the 9th and don’t panic.” I’m not saying I’d actually do that but that’s what the voice in my head might reason with me to do.
I say the 9th rather generally, but the list above doesn’t include Aramis Ramirez, Mike Moustakas, Pedro Alvarez, David Freese, Will Middlebrooks, or Mark Trumbo (among others you might be interested in). All of them of course come with a degree of risk, and in the case of Trumbo, he might not even qualify at third base in your league (although he should in Yahoo and Ottoneu). But (and I hear the groans already on the comparison) take for instance the venerable Bill James projection for Ryan Zimmerman and Aramis Ramirez, for example:
| BA | OBP | SLG | HR | R | RBI | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Zimmerman | 0.287 | 0.359 | 0.486 | 25 | 92 | 93 |
| Ramirez | 0.286 | 0.35 | 0.498 | 27 | 81 | 102 |
I have no earthly idea where Ramirez might get drafted, but my guess is it’ll be somewhere in the 8th or 9th rounds, and say what you want about Bill James, but I tend to think those are pretty fair projections. My gut tells me Ramirez might slide a tad in the power department, but even so, those are awfully similar players separated by at least 3-4 rounds.
Since I’ve opened up that door, let’s look at BJ’s projections on Trumbo, Moustakas, Middlebrooks, Freese, and Alvarez while we’re at it:
| BA | OBP | SLG | HR | R | RBI | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Trumbo | 0.266 | 0.315 | 0.495 | 31 | 71 | 98 |
| Moustakas | 0.264 | 0.316 | 0.455 | 23 | 75 | 87 |
| Middlebrooks | 0.277 | 0.316 | 0.49 | 29 | 75 | 99 |
| Freese | 0.301 | 0.368 | 0.476 | 20 | 72 | 87 |
| Alvarez | 0.257 | 0.336 | 0.481 | 29 | 70 | 91 |
If you’re taking these to the bank, then you best be targeting Will Middlebrooks and Pedro Alvarez who might not go until late teen rounds and could provide as good or better production than some of the names at the top of this post. You know what risks they come with, and I’ve seen before in the threads the mention of the “floor” of players and I think that principle applies here to be sure.
I’m just not so sold that I need a quick trigger at third base if you take a birds eye view of things. Sure, have your pets at the top that you desperately want if the world farted rainbows but get yourself out of that “I need a third baseman” mindset when you’re looking at the gaping hole on your spreadsheet reading “3B: _____”.
Find projections you trust and have a plan at each position. It’ll help prevent you taking someone in the 6th that you could have had in the 16th.
Michael was born in Massachusetts and grew up in the Seattle area but had nothing to do with the Heathcliff Slocumb trade although Boston fans are welcome to thank him. You can find him on twitter at @michaelcbarr.
I don’t think Encarnacion will have 3B eligibility next season. He only started 1 game at 3B in 2012. What am I missing?
wishful thinking. Fixed.
It should be noted for ESPN users that Edwin no longer qualifies at 3B.
I thought the Y! game position eligibility going into the next season was 10 games… if that is true, then Mark Trumbo (8 games at 3B) is not eligible at 3B.
It has always been 5 starts at a position or 10 appearances. If they’re changing it to 10 starts, that’s news to me — but yeah, that would impact Trumbo.
http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?locale=en_US&page=content&y=PROD_SPORTS_FAN_BASE&id=SLN6766&impressions=true
I think this part:
“A player will gain eligibility at a new position after five starts at that position, or 10 total appearances at that position.”
Only refers to in-season position additions, and that it is 10 games in the prior season to be listed at the position at the beginning of the season.
No, BergTexas, the rules are the same for season-to-season position eligibility. It also says: “Players will not lose positional eligibility during the season, even if they do not appear at the position throughout the season.”
That implies that if you attained eligibility in the PRIOR season (under the 5/10 rule) you retain if for the next season. Unless you have a reference for your “10 games in the prior season” then I think you are off here.
Fantastic article! Love the comparisons in the middle tiers. Just goes to show that all is not lost if you miss out on the big names.
Let it be known to anyone drafting Lawrie, Headley, or Zimmerman 2-3 rounds ahead of Aramis Ramirez in a re-draft: I am laughing at you now in anticipation of this happening a lot. There is just not enough difference between these 3 and one could argue that Aramis is the most healthy/consistent of all of them.
Eventually age catches up with a player, either through reduced production or simply getting injured. Nobody beats age. You might get a good season out of Aramis, but the chances go down each year that you will. The other guys have their own risks (over hype, 1 year wonder, injury) but acting like Aramis carries the least risk isn’t exactly something any of us can know.
You also have to deal with this: http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/aramwoba1.jpg
Which I would call an advantage in a H2H league. If your team is good enough, you will make the playoffs despite the lack of production from him early on.
Playoffs are a crap shoot and players like Ramirez can help put you over the top.
bill james has lawrie and headley going for 21 and 14 steals respectively, compared to 5 for ramirez. having a more balanced player is worth 2-3 rounds to me. zimmerman on the other hand i wouldn’t touch.
am i high or do your “overall” numbers after cabrera not match the mock article like at all. over there i’m seeing wright-beltre-longoria at 14-15-16, not 23-24-25
need a finer brand of bourbon. Fixed.
Pablo will be a beast this year.
He might eat like one! Had him last year,stay far away
Freese will be incredibly solid and one should be able to grab him for a reasonable price.
No mention of Machado? I’d rather have his upside then the risk of age/injury players.If he cracks 20HR, watch out after that in 2014.
Trying to figure out why Frazier isn’t getting any sleeper love, or is this the wrong article for mid/late round sleepers? A full season of AB’s might look like 75 20 85 8 .265, that’s 90% of Lawrie for a fraction of the cost, no? Or am I overvaluing him? 20 HR’s in 465 AB’s last year, decent BA, hitting in a solid lineup. I like him alot as an overlooked 3B value for 2013.
Yeah, we’ll get to guys like Frazier and Machado and many others in the coming weeks. They’ll be rolling out the remaining rounds of the draft and we’ll dig deeper on some of those guys…
I have Hanley Ramirez on my roster from last season. We keep 13 players (out of 32 total). I am really on the fence about whether to keep him or let him go. But I was very suprised when I saw how early he went in your mock draft. I just don’t see him as being that good. Is it because there are so few decent 3B’s? I think his best days are long since past.
As much as i love my man Zimm, I’m gonna wait out 3rd base til the Mouse-Pedro-etc tier comes up
There are fewer players with more natural talent than Aramis Ramirez. A Cubs teammate once privately said “he’d be Albert Pujols if he just applied himself.” From that, I think his stats may resist aging better than most.
What’s your preference between Lawrie and Zimmerman in a keeper league? Zimm is a more known commodity but with question marks of his own, but Lawrie has all kinds of upside. Curious to hear anyone’s thoughts for 2013 and beyond.
in a keeper, it’s unquestionably Lawrie.