New Closer: J.J. Hoover

One of the more exciting effects of offseason player movement is the opening up of closer roles. When established closers sign somewhere else or get sent packing as part of a trade, us fantasy nerds have all the fun of speculating who steps up to fill the vacated role and how likely it is that the pitcher holds the job all year. After the Yankees stole traded for incumbent Reds closer Aroldis Chapman, there was a gaping hole at the back end of the Reds bullpen. Since the Reds are clearly in rebuilding mode, it’s highly unlikely they go out and trade for or sign another reliever to fill the void. So at the moment, all signs point to J.J. Hoover opening the season as their closer. We’ll expand on the battle and other options when we begin our depth chart discussions in the coming weeks. But today’s post is all about Hoover.

Since this is FanGraphs, we can basically all agree that any good reliever can succeed as a closer, right? If you can pitch effectively in the seventh or eighth innings, you can do so in the ninth as well. I bring this up because Hoover has all of five career saves to his name over four seasons (which includes half of one). Back in the day, fantasy owners questioned whether a former middle reliever would be able to handle all the extra pressure felt when trying to record the final three outs of the game. As such, guys like Hoover would typically come rather cheap in drafts given the perception of heightened risk.

I think that’s a bunch of baloney and so I analyze new closers based solely on their underlying skills. Unfortunately, I’m not so sure that Hoover possesses a strong enough set to hold the closer gig all year. On the surface, it might appear that he does. Outside a near 5.00 ERA in 2014, thanks to an inflated HR/FB rate and extreme fly ball rate (which led to a near 2.00 HR/9!), his ERA has been sub-3.00 in the other seasons. A closer that allows fewer than three runs per nine sounds pretty good.

However, a closer look reveals a much less impressive 3.68 career SIERA, which can easily be explained the moment you check his BABIP. It has jumped around a lot, which makes sense given the small sample of innings a reliever pitches. But his career mark sits at just .238. The knee-jerk reaction is that man has he benefited from some darn good fortune…and defensive support. That must be partly true as few (if any) pitchers possess a true talent BABIP that low. But, he has been an extreme fly ball pitcher over his career on average, and has paired that tendency with a sky high IFFB%. Does that combination sound familiar? It should.

There’s another pitcher who has mystified us with his combination of fly balls and pop-ups. He’s our favorite SIERA-defier, Chris Young. The difference between the two is that Young has induced an even higher rate of fly balls over his career, but has posted a higher BABIP, though just marginally. So it’s clear that Hoover’s batted ball distribution is going to lead to a low BABIP. But .238 seems a bit extreme and ripe for some regression.

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Furthermore, in 2015 his batted ball distribution flipped and he suddenly induced more grounders than fly balls (okay, so just one more grounder than fly). If this transformation is sustained in 2016, there’s little reason to expect a repeat of such a suppressed BABIP. Either way, he’s going to deal with home run issues, and since his control is below average, he’s always at risk of putting a runner on base and then giving up a two-run bomb, and the lead.

His strikeout rate plummeted last year, mostly due to a decline in his foul strike rate and a dip in his rate of strikes thrown. Though that explanation isn’t as worrisome as if his rate of swinging strikes had fallen. But given the volatility of relievers, we cannot be sure his strikeout rate bounces back.

So what we have here is a pitcher with control issues that will potentially allow far too many fly balls, resulting in the feared affliction known as gopheritis. He’s not the type of cheap closer I want to speculate on.





Mike Podhorzer is the founder of ProjectingX IQ, an advanced fantasy baseball analytics platform that transforms projection data and in-season performance signals into actionable intelligence. He is the 2015 Fantasy Sports Writers Association Baseball Writer of the Year and three-time Tout Wars champion. He is the author of the eBook Projecting X 2.0: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance, which teaches you how to project players yourself. Follow Mike on X@MikePodhorzer and contact him via email.

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Reds fan
10 years ago

JJ Hoover has been a disaster the last two seasons, he just managed to hide it better in 2015 with a few fluky weeks to begin the season. Hoover as the closer will make me long for the last days of Francisco Cordero.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago

Who knows what the Reds will do, but I believe they should give up on the notion of Brandon Finnegan being a starter and make him the new closer.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Mike Podhorzer

Problems with stamina and control along with an inconsistent changeup. His lack of a command is less of an issue in short bursts and he loses 3-4mph when starting. Thus far during his minor league career he’s been much better out of the pen than in the rotation. While I understand that a starter is more valuable than a reliever, sometimes teams let hope get in the way of realistically appraising skills and using players in the roles for which they are best suited.

John B
10 years ago

Reds probably won’t have many games to CLOSE … but give J J another chance, and maybe work-in Finnegan. Chapman had unexplainable control problems at inopportune times, also.

$$$ Bill
10 years ago

I think Lorenzan would make the most sense.. Seems like the perfect Wade Dvis candidate. Especially if he can bump up his FB velocity as the closer.

John B
10 years ago
Reply to  $$$ Bill

Michael Lorenzen? He started off OK … but after the All-Star break his ERA was 8.57. Maybe not the BEST candidate for a closer, eh?

Randy B
10 years ago

I’m still stupefied the fact that the media fails to see Aroldis Chapman as anything other than a reliever/closer. The fact that the Reds stretched this guy out two years earlier and he outpitched a quality starting staff that spring, is completed lost history. Chapman was a guy who wanted to start and toned down the speed to start and was very effective. Only because of the Reds failures at the backend was he put back in the closer roles.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Randy B

While I can’t say that Chapman wouldn’t have been a successful starter, as he had almost no stateside experience doing so, two five inning outings in March of 2012 (one against a dreadful Padres split squad) are not compelling evidence that he is more “than a reliever/closer.” Even in the minor leagues his “starts” were simply beginning the game and then exiting after an inning or two.

Randy B
10 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

I don’t disagree, but he was stretched out that year and management fully intended to start him until the closers imploded at the end of ST.

ashlandateam
10 years ago
Reply to  Randy B

This is factually incorrect. Chapman resisted – at literally every turn – going into the rotation. He loved coming out of the pen; he loved hanging out for six innings and then getting amped up. That’s who he was, from day one and that’s who he is now. The guy never wanted to start.

I suppose the Reds could have forced him to. Technically, they were his bosses. So maybe you blame them for that. But the guy made it clear what he wanted to do, and he made it clear every time the issue came up. The guy wants to be a closer, so a closer he is.

John B
10 years ago
Reply to  ashlandateam

Plus, he’s a 2-pitch pitcher, and his changeup isn’t all THAT reliable. A starter, he is not.

Scott Says
10 years ago

Guys, Roster Resource has Jumbo Diaz as closer. Do I quick glance at his stats and you’ll see he is a vastly superior option and will likely get job. There are three reasons J.J Hoover would close over him is 1) Reds are trying to tank and prefer crappier option. 2) Reds are trying to keep Diaz arb cost down 3) Reds don’t know how to properly value players. All three of these make sense. I just think its strange that when considering Jumbo’s stats and what Roster Resource says that we are working under the presumption that “All signs point to J.J Hoover opening the season as closer.”

John B
10 years ago
Reply to  Scott Says

Thanks, Scott … forgot about Jumbo. He had a rough Sept. (4.85 ERA), but that’s hardly worse than any, other Reds’ relievers. We’ll see who gets the job.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Scott Says

That’s because we assume #3 to be true.

Pete's Tavern NYC
10 years ago

No, thank you.