My Mock Draft: Pitchers
With my infield and outfield already covered, let us move to the final piece of the puzzle, my pitching staff. Normally in 12-team mixed league snake drafts I wait on starting pitchers, unless the league has particularly deep rosters. I feel comfortable stream 2-3 starters per week and spend early and often on my hitters. Given the way my offense shaped up, clearly I veered off of my normal plan with semi-disastrous results for my hitters. Regardless of how the team ended up looking, I enjoyed going outside of my comfort zone in this mock draft.
SP — Stephen Strasburg, 37th
I broke my traditional mold early by grabbing Stras in the fourth round. He was the seventh pitcher off the board and two more starters followed within the next four picks. Given how the draft unfolded, I was thankful to lock down an elite starter to anchor my team.
SP — Jordan Zimmermann, 60th
Sticking with Washington Nationals pitchers, I grabbed Jay-Z in the middle of a run of pitchers. In the eight picks prior and five picks following Zimmermann, six were starters. While his strikeouts won’t be as high as guys taken after him like Zack Greinke or Adam Wainwright, I love Zimmermann’s ratios. Since 2012 (with a 500 IP minimum for a 166.2 IP/year average) he owns the 3rd lowest ERA and the 19th best SIERA among 58 starters. For me to take him as the 12th pitcher feels a touch high, but I don’t hate this pick. Given his 10.3% swinging strike rate last year, it wouldn’t shock me to see him maintain a 8 K/9 again this season.
SP — Sonny Gray, 84th
This wasn’t a homer pick as an A’s fan, I swear. Maybe a bit, as I do have a particular fondness for Gray ever since he was drafted. A lot of people were turned off by his small stature and thought of him as a probable reliever, but I kept the faith that he could stick in the rotation. Though he doesn’t blow batters away, Gray generates enough strikeouts to have value and holds a great ground ball rate. Since he was called up in 2013, Gray’s 55.3% GB% is sixth best in baseball, minimum 250 IP. His curveball is incredible and while his change-up needs work, Gray could have been my first pitcher taken and I’d still be fine in the seventh round. For context, Gerrit Cole was taken two later and though he holds the higher upside, I’ll take the lesser risk with Gray. The drafters at Mock Draft Central disagreed for their three qualifying drafts (January 7-10), as Gray’s ADP there was 205th. I may have reached for Gray a bit, but 205th seems more bonkers than 84th.
RP — Trevor Rosenthal, 85th
My first reliever came in the midst of a mini-rush of closers, as Rosenthal was the third closer taken out of six in a 13 pick span. I worry about the spike in walk rate from Rosenthal last year as his 5.37 BB/9 is awfully Joe Borowski-esque, but I’m optimistic for Rosenthal. Given his mostly fastball usage, his 78.3% rates as 11th highest since 2012 among qualified relievers, I expect his control to come back to him. We may not see a 14.7% SwStr% from him again like in 2013, but Rosenthal is still a great closer.
SP — Yordano Ventura, 132nd
To me, right around the 80-140 pick or so, players don’t seem “worth it.” I wasn’t thrilled to take Ventura here, but the more I looked around the more it made sense for my team. I didn’t feel ready to take another reliever just yet and Ventura offers steady albeit not outstanding strikeouts and tolerable rate stats. With Cliff Lee and Zack Wheeler going before and after Ventura, I think this pick offered less risk than Lee and slightly better BB%, though a lesser K% than Wheeler. Given my earlier pick of Gray and his relative lack of strikeouts, Wheeler probably would have been the better pick.
RP — Steve Cishek, 156th
The idea of any Miami Marlins player being safe is somewhat far-fetched, non Giancarlo Stanton division of course, and as long as Cishek remains an elite reliever this pick could backfire. If Cishek gets traded to a team and stops becoming a closer then my 13th round pick just became worth a lot less in a non-holds league. I can’t draft — even in a mock — assuming a player will be traded so I grabbed Cishek as my second closer behind Rosenthal. They both offer a double digit K/9 and Cishek actually had a down year in part due to a .331 BABIP, causing some cheap hits to fall in and balloon his ERA to 3.17 versus a 2.34 SIERA. This pick came in another mini-closer run as other guys like Huston Street, Koji Uehara, Francisco Rodriguez, Fernando Rodney and Drew Storen all went within five picks before or after Cishek. This seems about right for him, again assuming he does not get dealt.
RP — Francisco Rodriguez, 157th
Back-to-back closers in the middle rounds to give me a total of three headed into the season. Again, grabbing pitchers — especially relievers — is a rare thing for me, so I really wanted to nail down saves in this mock draft.
SP — Andrew Cashner, 180th
I mean, Cashner is my spirit animal. My fantasy team name one year was “Straight Cashner, homie” (thanks Randy Moss). Fellow nerds at MDC had Cashner at 183rd in their drafts and I feel good grabbing him here. Here’s hoping for 170+ innings out of him this year!
SP — Ian Kennedy. 181st
Kennedy is coming off of best strikeout rate of his career and plays half of his games in the best pitchers park in the league. His fly ball tendencies are fine in Petco and his 10% SwStr% was the third highest of his career, though that could be changing. Last year Kennedy relied on his change-up less and curve more often than any season other than 2010 and if that trend holds, the strikeouts may not stick around. I don’t fully buy into linear pitch weights — I think sequencing plays a massive role — but according to Brooks Baseball, Kennedy’s highest whiff rate came on change-ups at almost 20%. I wouldn’t call this pick a steal, but I was very happy for Kennedy to come so late to me. With Ventura and Gray not exactly strikeout machines, getting another high K guy in the 16th round was awesome.
SP — Mike Fiers, 228th
Fingers crossed Fiers can replicate his successful 71.2 innings and flash a 9.54 K/9 again, or at least come close. Looking at his 9.5% whiff rate it may be possible, however I don’t see another .224 BABIP, even with his extreme fly ball rate. Fiers’ career 33.2% GB% doesn’t bode particularly well in Milwaukee, or in Cincinnati or Wrigleyville. The long ball may hurt Fiers at times but I hope his strikeouts will be enough to allow me to play the match up game and pick and choose where I start him. Or I blew my 19th round pick. I can live with either, though the former sounds a lot better.
SP — Matt Moore. 277th
With my final pick of the mock draft I took Moore, who won’t pitch in the majors until May or June. This pick could pan out very nicely and Moore could return to action in the second half without missing a beat from his strong 2013 campaign or his control issues may not be sorted out and I’ll drop him before Father’s Day.
While I don’t love every pitcher pick — I’m looking at Zimmermann, Gray and Ventura — I do feel good about what I accomplished in the later rounds with my staff. I’d give my throwers a solid B, maybe even a B+ grade. Unfortunately that isn’t enough to drag my offense to a top 3 placing. That’s why we do some mocks, to test our abilities and go against our normal groove. The next one I’ll proceed as normal, so expect nothing but hitters for rounds 1-8!
You can catch David spouting off about baseball, soccer, esports and other things by following him on twitter, @davidwiers.
Stras = Steal. Jay-Z, about right. Gray = 100 picks too soon. Rosie = a round too soon, but a run is a run. Ventura = Wtf, Cishek = love it, K-Rod = risky but worth it, Cashner-a round early, kennedy = Hate it, Fiers = Best pick in your draft, Moore = hate it.
I don’t about Strasburg being a steal, but I was really happy to get him. And yeah, the Fiers pick could look really good.
stras was a steal… I disgree on Gray, that is about right for him. There is no reason to think he cannot repeat last season (we was a highly touted prospect with the underlying stats supporting what he was/is).
I would feel great with a repeat of last season, an era in the 3 range, whip in the 1.1-1.2 range (very good), and 180k, over 200-230 innings. The wins may be low, but everything else looks like it could be ace level for a #3 SP. I would be happy with him as a weak #1 or #2 SP on a fantasy team.
Health is a reason.
I am not sure about Zimmerman at #60 and Gray at #84, but you got some steals in late rounds. Your pitching was much better than your lineup. Overall your team would likely be in the second division.
Basically how I see it too.
Also, “Rosenthal is a great closer”, we might have to lower our standards for great here. I think its unanimous that his 2014 value was more about save opps than actual performance. It wasn’t a bad pick, or the wrong pick, closers are inherently risky, but his ADP doesn’t seem to reflect the added risk he comes with.
I guess my threshold for great is different than yours, which is fine. But Rosenthal was fourth in baseball in saves to only six blown saves. He also tied for the ninth most shutdowns, though his 13 melt downs look less than stellar.
I just love the strikeout rate and until this past year, his walk rate too. Rosenthal got lucky with his home run rate but I’m thinking his BB% and HR% will balance out and he’ll be fine.
Never pay for pitching
You can win, like me, with youre highest paid pitcher at the end of the year being $2 ..as long as it was KLUBER.
Every year there are plenty of Chris Archers and Odorizzis that come up to fill out your rotation. All you need to be is the 5,6,7,8 best pitching team in the LEE and your studly offense will carry.
Couple that with savvy Closer spending/waivers and dont need to pay for the minimal marginal value aces provide.
it all depends. In public leagues, or weak leagues, you can mine the FA list all season for strong options. you could even play the Petco visiting SP pool all season and still have good periferals (maybe not as much since that team is looking better). The stronger the league, the harder it is to find those guys.
I am in plenty of leagues where every closer is drafted, normally the 2nd in line is owned (for riskier closers), and the first wiff of something going sour, the next 2-4 guys in line get snapped up. If you did not watch the game they got hurt or blew the save, and acted during the game, you would have lost.
I love your last comment bc it was my first comment after seeing you selected Stras, Zimm and Gray. SP is very important, but I really believe it’s popularity stems from the growth of scouting awareness. Guys go an watch a SP for many IP while they nights see 4 PA by a hitter. In those 4 PA you may see a first pitch swing, a P lose his command, etc…
P get hurt 30% more of the time than hitters like Eno says. 20-25 SP have a +$10 value every year per BA while hitting continues to decline. The avg ML BA is .250 and people complain about Dickersons .250 vLHP.
3B after round 7 is a risk, MI is meant for speed while the majority of the counting stars come from the OF. Pollock, Melky, Eaton are just a few talented ball players atop their respective lineups that are going way to late.
Do I make sense? I believe in a closer like Rosey more than solidifying your staff in the first 10 rounds.
As, A’s pitchers. Some combination of O.Co and the machinations of Beane just make it an amazing wellspring of useful SP talent. This year I’m excited to see what Pomeranz does as a full-time SP. He was on a heck of a run before punching that chair last season.
I wonder what we read more often in the spring:
“Player x is in the best shape of his career”
or
“I never draft pitching early…EXCEPT in this instance.”
So many ‘say’ they avoid early pitching, usually right before explaining why they didn’t.
I LOVE Stras and Jay-Z as anchors. After those two are you really gaining separation with the other mid-round pitchers? Isn’t there a chance Fiers is as good (or better) than Gray? Wouldn’t shock me if next year Fiers was drafted before Sonny. THAT is the tier of pitching I’m learning to be patient with.
The ‘error’ in my opinion isn’t grabbing early studs, it is thinking you need to continue ‘building your great staff’ with other selections in the top 10 rounds. Instead of Gray/Rosenthal you could have upgraded your Rajai/Hunter OF picks to Jay Bruce and Ryan Zimmerman. That’s MIDDLE-OF-THE-ORDER POWER! (not to mention 3B flexibility)
Think of it this way…which side of this ‘trade’ looks better (all things equal):
Gray, Rosenthal, Rajai, Hunter
for
Bruce, Zimmerman, Shelby Miller, Wade Davis
Don’t you take the offense every time? Could also insert Alex Gordon, Calhoun, Duda if you like them better. All were available at 7/8 turn.
Based on what was available at the time of taking Stras and JayZ? You DID gain separation by taking the pitching value offered. Seems at 7/8 you gave back value by passing on offense for the exact sort of pitchers that give ‘early pitching selections’ a bad name.
What is a good mock draft site that does auctions in -only leagues?