May Starting Pitcher Rankings
We are a month into the season and the pitching landscape is a mess. The top tier has been shaken to its core with several studs struggling their way through the month while streaming feels damn near impossible with they way the ball is flying out of parks. Of course, there have been bright spots and I do my best to highlight those while also being careful not overreact too much.
I look at my in-season rankings in 4-6 week blocks so the potential innings limits facing some of the younger arms rated highly aren’t really that important right now. Given that so much is going to change in the next month let alone the next five, I don’t see the point in pretending that these updates are viable for the rest of the season.
Pay attention to the tier! If I didn’t rank someone as high as you thought I should, but they are still a must or usually start, then it’s probably not worth freaking out too much. Those tiers mean they are in the rotation pretty much all the time. I’m open to debating slotting, too, but worrying about a 4-spot difference between two guys in the same tier is probably a waste of time.
The tiers are as follows:
#1s (6 SPs) – The true aces of fantasy baseball.
Must Start (33 SPs) – Should be pretty obvious, but these are the guys who always start. Again, it isn’t just the very best guys. There are second and third tier arms in terms of market value that I’d start every time out. They don’t have an obvious split or weakness that would give you a better chance at picking off their poor starts. Some of them are “No Coors Field”-types, but it’s predominantly set it and forget it for the foreseeable future.
Usually Start (27 SPs) – If “No Coors Field” is 20-25% with the MS group, it’s more like 60-70% with this group. You need to find a reason to sit them right now in most formats. You might feel like you can spot them properly, but we’re just not that precise in identifying when a solid arm will falter. These guys are good enough to thwart any opponent even on something less than their best day or they could get smacked by a weaker opponent. If you’re rostering them, you should probably be starting them.
Shallow Spot Start (25 SPs) – Flawed talents. A lot of these guys are on the cusp of or have been in the Usually Start tier, but currently you’re looking to curate their starts a bit where you can. These guys might also be US tier arms here temporarily while they get on track. Pay very close attention to gamelogs of pitchers, get a feel for how they arrived at their bottom line numbers. Not all ERAs are created equally and that’s why it’s not a gauge for future production, especially in small samples. I decided to split the group a bit as sort of a way to identify upward or downward mobility for these guys. The shallow ones are a bit more talented and/or running hot so we’re maybe keeping a closer eye on them.
Deep League Spot Start (34 SPs) – I know many of you are dealing with some brutal pitching staff conditions right now after drafting a rotation you thought would be a strength, so you might find yourself in this tier a little more than you’d like. There is some talent to be plucked and the right two-start week could really set you up. This is essentially the Spot Star tier for single leagues or super-deep mixers (16+ teams).
Please leave your questions and comments below!
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| RK | Name | Tier | TM | LG | April | Diff |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Max Scherzer | #1 | WAS | NL | 1 | 0 |
| 2 | Justin Verlander | #1 | HOU | AL | 3 | 1 |
| 3 | Blake Snell | #1 | TB | AL | 5 | 2 |
| 4 | Gerrit Cole | #1 | HOU | AL | 4 | 0 |
| 5 | Trevor Bauer | #1 | CLE | AL | 6 | 1 |
| 6 | Jacob deGrom | #1 | NYM | NL | 2 | -4 |
| 7 | Clayton Kershaw | MS | LAD | NL | 9 | 2 |
| 8 | James Paxton | MS | NYY | AL | 15 | 7 |
| 9 | Patrick Corbin | MS | WAS | NL | 10 | 1 |
| 10 | Carlos Carrasco | MS | CLE | AL | 16 | 6 |
| 11 | David Price | MS | BOS | AL | 13 | 2 |
| 12 | Stephen Strasburg | MS | WAS | NL | 19 | 7 |
| 13 | Luis Castillo | MS | CIN | NL | 20 | 7 |
| 14 | Corey Kluber | MS | CLE | AL | 14 | 0 |
| 15 | Noah Syndergaard | MS | NYM | NL | 7 | -8 |
| 16 | Chris Sale | MS | BOS | AL | 8 | -8 |
| 17 | Jose Berrios | MS | MIN | AL | 17 | 0 |
| 18 | Jameson Taillon | MS | PIT | NL | 11 | -7 |
| 19 | Aaron Nola | MS | PHI | NL | 12 | -7 |
| 20 | Charlie Morton | MS | TB | AL | 18 | -2 |
| 21 | Jack Flaherty | MS | STL | NL | 23 | 2 |
| 22 | Zack Greinke | MS | ARI | NL | 30 | 8 |
| 23 | Tyler Glasnow | MS | TB | AL | 34 | 11 |
| 24 | Chris Paddack | MS | SD | NL | 38 | 14 |
| 25 | Zack Wheeler | MS | NYM | NL | 26 | 1 |
| 26 | Walker Buehler | MS | LAD | NL | 21 | -5 |
| 27 | Caleb Smith | MS | MIA | NL | 48 | 21 |
| 28 | Hyun-Jin Ryu | MS | LAD | NL | 51 | 23 |
| 29 | Joe Musgrove | MS | PIT | NL | 29 | 0 |
| 30 | Matthew Boyd | MS | DET | AL | 32 | 2 |
| 31 | Shane Bieber | MS | CLE | AL | 31 | 0 |
| 32 | German Marquez | MS | COL | NL | 22 | -10 |
| 33 | Jose Quintana | MS | CHC | NL | 39 | 6 |
| 34 | Madison Bumgarner | MS | SF | NL | 24 | -10 |
| 35 | Domingo German | MS | NYY | AL | 44 | 9 |
| 36 | Yu Darvish | MS | CHC | NL | 33 | -3 |
| 37 | Mike Foltynewicz | MS | ATL | NL | 81 | 44 |
| 38 | Chris Archer | MS | PIT | NL | 25 | -13 |
| 39 | Masahiro Tanaka | MS | NYY | AL | 27 | -12 |
| 40 | Mike Soroka | US | ATL | NL | 85 | 45 |
| 41 | Sonny Gray | US | CIN | NL | 58 | 17 |
| 42 | Robbie Ray | US | ARI | NL | 45 | 3 |
| 43 | Cole Hamels | US | CHC | NL | 40 | -3 |
| 44 | Collin McHugh | US | HOU | AL | 28 | -16 |
| 45 | Mike Minor | US | TEX | AL | 66 | 21 |
| 46 | Rich Hill | US | LAD | NL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 47 | Marco Gonzales | US | SEA | AL | 53 | 6 |
| 48 | Kevin Gausman | US | ATL | NL | 35 | -13 |
| 49 | Steven Matz | US | NYM | NL | 61 | 12 |
| 50 | Kenta Maeda | US | LAD | NL | 41 | -9 |
| 51 | Jerad Eickhoff | US | PHI | NL | 107 | 56 |
| 52 | Brad Peacock | US | HOU | AL | 42 | -10 |
| 53 | Matt Strahm | US | SD | NL | 68 | 15 |
| 54 | Tyler Skaggs | US | LAA | AL | 99 | 45 |
| 55 | Joey Lucchesi | US | SD | NL | 50 | -5 |
| 56 | Eduardo Rodriguez | US | BOS | AL | 55 | -1 |
| 57 | Jon Gray | US | COL | NL | 37 | -20 |
| 58 | Kyle Hendricks | US | CHC | NL | 52 | -6 |
| 59 | Jon Lester | US | CHC | NL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 60 | J.A. Happ | US | NYY | AL | 70 | 10 |
| 61 | Marcus Stroman | US | TOR | AL | 87 | 26 |
| 62 | Max Fried | US | ATL | NL | 97 | 35 |
| 63 | Trevor Williams | US | PIT | NL | 47 | -16 |
| 64 | Yusei Kikuchi | US | SEA | AL | 43 | -21 |
| 65 | Kyle Freeland | US | COL | NL | 56 | -9 |
| 66 | Miles Mikolas | US | STL | NL | 36 | -30 |
| 67 | Luke Weaver | SSS | ARI | NL | 64 | -3 |
| 68 | Zach Eflin | SSS | PHI | NL | 60 | -8 |
| 69 | Jordan Lyles | SSS | PIT | NL | 49 | -20 |
| 70 | Yonny Chirinos | SSS | TB | AL | 57 | -13 |
| 71 | Pablo Lopez | SSS | MIA | NL | 72 | 1 |
| 72 | Jake Odorizzi | SSS | MIN | AL | 89 | 17 |
| 73 | Frankie Montas | SSS | OAK | AL | 63 | -10 |
| 74 | Carlos Rodon | SSS | CWS | AL | 54 | -20 |
| 75 | Jake Arrieta | SSS | PHI | NL | 71 | -4 |
| 76 | Drew Pomeranz | SSS | SF | NL | 80 | 4 |
| 77 | Aaron Sanchez | SSS | TOR | AL | 79 | 2 |
| 78 | Jeff Samardzija | SSS | SF | NL | 59 | -19 |
| 79 | Brandon Woodruff | SSS | MIL | NL | 67 | -12 |
| 80 | Trevor Richards | SSS | MIA | NL | 74 | -6 |
| 81 | Tyler Mahle | SSS | CIN | NL | 78 | -3 |
| 82 | Spencer Turnbull | SSS | DET | AL | 69 | -13 |
| 83 | Dereck Rodriguez | SSS | SF | NL | 90 | 7 |
| 84 | Chris Bassitt | SSS | OAK | AL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 85 | Wade Miley | SSS | HOU | AL | 76 | -9 |
| 86 | Merrill Kelly | SSS | ARI | NL | 77 | -9 |
| 87 | Reynaldo Lopez | SSS | CWS | AL | 113 | 26 |
| 88 | Vincent Velasquez | SSS | PHI | NL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 89 | Julio Teheran | SSS | ATL | NL | 84 | -5 |
| 90 | Brad Keller | SSS | KC | AL | 75 | -15 |
| 91 | Trevor Cahill | SSS | LAA | AL | 83 | -8 |
| 92 | Lance Lynn | DSS | TEX | AL | 103 | 11 |
| 93 | Anibal Sanchez | DSS | WAS | NL | 82 | -11 |
| 94 | Jakob Junis | DSS | KC | AL | 96 | 2 |
| 95 | Ryan Yarbrough | DSS | TB | AL | 98 | 3 |
| 96 | Kyle Gibson | DSS | MIN | AL | 100 | 4 |
| 97 | Rick Porcello | DSS | BOS | AL | 101 | 4 |
| 98 | Trent Thornton | DSS | TOR | AL | 95 | -3 |
| 99 | Michael Pineda | DSS | MIN | AL | 86 | -13 |
| 100 | CC Sabathia | DSS | NYY | AL | 102 | 2 |
| 101 | Griffin Canning | DSS | LAA | AL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 102 | Michael Wacha | DSS | STL | NL | 91 | -11 |
| 103 | Nick Margevicius | DSS | SD | NL | 104 | 1 |
| 104 | Felix Pena | DSS | LAA | AL | 106 | 2 |
| 105 | John Means | DSS | BAL | AL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 106 | Zach Davies | DSS | MIL | NL | 118 | 12 |
| 107 | Clay Buchholz | DSS | TOR | AL | 108 | 1 |
| 108 | Anthony DeSclafani | DSS | CIN | NL | 109 | 1 |
| 109 | Freddy Peralta | DSS | MIL | NL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 110 | Martin Perez | DSS | MIN | AL | 111 | 1 |
| 111 | Tanner Roark | DSS | CIN | NL | 114 | 3 |
| 112 | Eric Lauer | DSS | SD | NL | 115 | 3 |
| 113 | Felix Hernandez | DSS | SEA | AL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 114 | Homer Bailey | DSS | KC | AL | 110 | -4 |
| 115 | Adam Wainwright | DSS | STL | NL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 116 | Antonio Senzatela | DSS | COL | NL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 117 | Chase Anderson | DSS | MIL | NL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 118 | Sandy Alcantara | DSS | MIA | NL | 112 | -6 |
| 119 | Jorge Lopez | DSS | KC | AL | 117 | -2 |
| 120 | Cal Quantrill | DSS | SD | NL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 121 | Erik Swanson | DSS | SEA | AL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 122 | Tyler Beede | DSS | SF | NL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 123 | Danny Duffy | DSS | KC | AL | #N/A | #N/A |
| 124 | Mike Leake | DSS | SEA | AL | 119 | -5 |
| 125 | Jose Urena | DSS | MIA | NL | 120 | -5 |
I agree w rankings more than last time. Am a bit curious why Marquez fell so much however? He hasn’t really done anything to hurt, and looked dominant yday unless you scout the scoreline which was bad defense.
Next 5 – 4 home, 1 at PHI
Next 6 – 5 home, 1 road.
I do like that you pointed out that the road start was against Philly but failed to mention that 3 of his 5 road starts are against Bal, SD, Tor – all in the bottom 10 in OPS.
You’re really starting to spend a lot of time looking at names over numbers.
What? Not sure I follow this at all
Really?
So his four worst starts have been against teams in the top half of the league (he’s had one good start against “good” teams) and his best starts have been against teams in the bottom half of the league.
His upcoming road schedule is bottom-half heavy.
Let’s say there is a pitcher who has two starts scheduled for Coors, a start in LAD, a home start against the Twins, and Phils, would you drop them in the rankings?
Also, shouldn’t Grienke get dinged because he has 2 of his next 5 starts at Coors?
What is the point of this comment?
That many in the fantasy community are beginning to pick and choose their arguments, that’s inconsistent. The fact is, if this is a snapshot for the next month , and 40% of Grienke’s starts, shouldn’t he also get dinged? I mean, many are accepting the narrative of Marquez, but ignoring it on pitchers who aren’t Rockies.
Sporer! I need your help on what to do with Stripling. He looks so good when he starts, but he’s in the pen now. We all know that Dodger pitchers neeever go on the IL. Where would you slot my boy Ross and do you think he will get back into that rotation soon enough for me to hang onto him?
Came here to ask the same question!
One of my favorites heading into the year, I’m holding him as many spots as I can. He’s a top 40 guy for me when in the rotation, but he’s in need of a spot right now.
Thanks Paul!
Good stuff. I will hang onto him. Thanks for taking the time to get back at me, I know you’re a busy guy.
Derek Johnson and Sonny Gray united again. It’s a great time to be alive!
Another vicious assault on the baby boy German Marquez.
Home – 5.29 ERA, 1.71 WHIP
Away – 1.55 ERA, 0.62 WHIP
He has no margin for error on the road, but I’m not sure it’s fair to expect him to maintain a 1.55 ERA away from home.
That said, if he just repeats last year’s 3.77 ERA/1.20 WHIP, he’s better than 30, but that’s where the 4-6 week range comes into play bc I’m more concerned about Marquez in the short term w/his next 5 lining up as a 4 home, 1 at PHI.
Listen, I tried hard to sell the early returns and no one would go for it.
I’ve never heard of a league that lasts 4 to 6 weeks. I understand your list but how does that help anyone who reads this site? 4 to 6 weeks draft kings? You should rephrase that more than 6 weeks is hard to project for some pitchers so you generally assume that the next six weeks are how you look at them for the full season, e.g. urias, paddock, etc. That’s not what you said or meant, but it’s what you should do.
Maybe I’m wrong and you meant what you wrote. So did you look at every sps schedule and opponents for the next 6 weeks when making this list? That appears to be your basis for your ranking of Marquez.
Home – Atl (2), Phi (13), Was (14)
Road – SF (30), TB (12), Mia (29), Mil (11).
(By OPS)
It really doesn’t take a lot of time to see he’s had a tougher schedule at home than he has on the road – and by a fairly wide margin.
Did you take a look at his home starts the next 5 outings?
He’s faced tougher lineups at home, sure with a mean OPS ranking of 9.33 but even if that goes more to the middle, but you’re a still probably going to be somewhat elevated at home because of Coors.
However, his away schedule is comparably easy wrt distance from the middle with a median ranking of 20.5. his only away game is facing one of his home opponents, Philadelphia.
You can’t talk that elevated ERA and WHIP up to schedule and his one away game isn’t going to be a breeze.
Paul cited his current splits as an explanation as to why he doesn’t trust him at home. But he failed to point out that his starts at home have been against the top half of the competition.
That being said, his upcoming home starts are against the bottom half of the competition.
I think it is just as reasonable to chalk up his poor performances to the competition as it is to the environment (i.e., his recent start in Milwaukee).
This listing does a good job of communicating that it’s been a rough year for pitching. There’s a good chunk of guys in your top 50 that could’ve been had for very late round picks (or free even!)
How many innings could Soroka possibly pitch this season?
He pitched 153.2 in 2017.
And 55 IP in 2018 and coming off a significant injury. So what is a good estimate for this year?
Don’t think that there is any way to know that now. Depends on how his shoulder holds up.
Minor gonna end season as Ms. Looked good second half last year too.
How is Price above Gibby?
I want to consolidate my down votes. You are a
ask and ye shall recieve
Darvish has a freaking 16.9% bb rate over 130 batters. How can he possibly be so high? The end comes for us all.
I’m guessing that after tonight’s performance against the mighty Astros lineup, that Martin Perez would be higher by at least 8-9 positions. Was tonight’s low walk rate a fluke or a sign of something special? IDK.
One discrepancy on FG I’d like to see explained is the difference in SIERA vs. FIP. As measured by the latter, Perez is a better pitcher than his ERA suggests. But his SIERA isn’t that hot.
Deep league/keeper league owners want to know. Thanks for the rankings, anyway.
From here: https://library.fangraphs.com/pitching/siera/
“But while FIP and xFIP largely ignore balls in play — they focus on strikeouts, walks, and homeruns instead — SIERA adds in complexity in an attempt to more accurately model what makes a pitcher successful. SIERA doesn’t ignore balls in play, but attempts to explain why certain pitchers are more successful at limiting hits and preventing runs. This is the strength of SIERA; while it is only slightly more predictive than xFIP, SIERA tells us more about the how and why of pitching.”
SIERA uses Ks, BBs ,and GBs. FIP is Ks, BBs, and HRs. Martin Perez has a 40.6 GB% (league average is 42.7%) and a 5.6 HR/FB% (league average 14.2%). FIPs missing that ridiculously low HR/FB%. xFIP (4.52) corrects for that and is closer to SIERA (4.65).
Thanks for explaining that. With my neuropathy medication, I have trouble remembering things. (Old age may have something to do with it too. I’ll be 63 in two months.)
Safe to assume that Chirinos is only rly dropping because of PT issues? He’s looked great and that’s rly the only Q
My league has a start limit so I’m ok just leaving him in there all the time
Way to keep that hedger in the shed with Noah this week though hes still about 10 spots too high- Id take Boyd for him all day= Chirinos still grossly underated
Chirinos definitely gets ranked down for his fluid and not 100% consisted roll. He is great when he performs, I love what he has given my team.
He can’t be fully trusted as a top 50 guy if he’s getting 5-6 innings after an opener. He will still rack up Goodwin’s and ratios, but it lessens the overall volume and it hurts you in leagues with QS as a stat.
Paul has him 70 and Nick at 82 but if they let him be an actual starter who started every five games, I think it’s safe to assume he jumps up 15 to 20 points. One of the squares next to Chirinos on Pitcherlist is playing time question and low IPs. Brad Peacock is the only guy higher with both of those question marks and is in a similar boat, although he will probably get surpassed in the next rankings.
I feel like for these guys, it’s probably hard to rank chirinos above some of these guys if he’s going to have low IPs.
For standard roto him not having a title makes zero impact – I understand theres many types of leagues like weekly lineups, Qs cats, etc but in standard Roto an inns and inn and your basically just looking at rates given the 150-160 inns I think he provides-
Your really gonna trust your bullets with the Jon Gray E- Rod Mikolas Kikushi caln over him? Bolder than I
Does Derek Holland drop out of the top 125 despite the nice K rate because he’s missing a start with a finger bruise?
Ya just not ranking IL guys
Jeeze, Bundy missed the list altogether? Might I be the only idiot holding him?
I can’t see how I’d ever be comfortable starting him
Bundy is a modest K, high FB pitcher. That’s just a bad, bad combination in a park that favors HR which leaves him with a career 1.76 HR/9 and it’s been worse than that the last 2 years. I just did a search on all qualified pitchers since 1969 and he has the 3rd worst HR/9 of the 1,739 pitchers who qualify. There is literally nobody close to him that was ever any good outside a fluke year here or there (Jose Lima had back to back good years in 1998-1999 but was terrible otherwise and I would note that his career HR/9 was only 1.53 vs. Bundy’s 1.76). Oh, and he’s lost 2+ mph velo since 2016. Statcast agrees with xFIP that he was unlucky last year but that just means he should have had an ERA in the low 4’s rather than mid 5’s.
He’s still just 26 so he certainly could get it straightened out but I would think you have to be in a reallllllly deep league to roster Bundy at this point
My boy Ryu has been refusing to walk people this year and its been awesome. 39:2 K:BB after last nights gem!
And he had a Maddux last night!
Surprised to see Kikuchi so high. I’ve been starting guys lower than him regularly aver him, and am considering dropping at $12 in dynasty (would only be able to recoup $4). Am I jumping the gun, or seeing the next checkpoint correctly?
Jumping in both feet with Paddack already? A rookie 2 pitch (albeit both above average/plus) pitcher with only 37 innings at AA before this year. In April, he had babip .160 with a 48.1% hard hit %. He has allowed 45% of balls in play as FB but yet only has 5.7% HR/FB rate. Part of the reason the babip is low is because of the heavy volume of flyballs, but it won’t stay at .160 even at Petco. Once the babip and HR/FB rate normalizes some (Petco will keep from going too high) and players get more of a scouting report he’s going to get hit. This feels like the Luis Castillo love from 2 years ago before going into last year – good FB, plus change but no 3rd pitch. Not saying he won’t be a #2 MS at some point, but right away this seems aggressive after 5 good starts.
Let me start by saying I agree with the basic premise that it’s only been 5 starts and he has pitched a total of 70.2 IP above A ball so the ranking seems high. I also agree that he isn’t going to keep up a .160 BABIP.
That said, nothing about his numbers are less than fantastic and Statcast backs it up with an 84.9 EV overall and 88.7 on LD/FB (Statcast gives him a much better hard hit rate of 24.9% BTW). Statcast does think he’s been lucky overall but that just means he “should” have given up a .253 wOBA rather than .186 but .253 is still obviously a really, really good number.
I’m not sitting him anywhere or even considering it right now. I’ll no doubt re-assess heading into June, but right now he’s a locked in a must-start
He basically leads the entire MLB in a lot of things.
Thanks for these, Paul. Please give us Nola owners reason to believe we won’t be taking a bath on his draft position this year… A better performance last night but a) it was the Tigers, and b) the command/control still seems to be an issue. Any words of optimism?
Paul, there was no reason to include Twins pitchers on this list of bums Wander Javier will demolish homers off of since he plays for the Twins. Well, he would if not for their embarrassing service time manipulation games. Do better on your June list. Thank you.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
As a Braves fan, I’m surprised Teheran is on this list at all. He can’t get through an order 3 times, basically, and has had a meltdown the third time through pretty much every start (I say this knowing for sure that he hasn’t been able to hold on his last 3 starts, and not remember too well before that). If he can figure out how to get through a lineup 3 times, maybe he turns it around, but until then his career is under serious threat, let alone his fantasy value (which isn’t that great as it is).
I say this but his k’s/9 are stellar, but that has to regress down the line.
Seems like a multi inning bullpen role is in his future.
No bump up for Joe Musgrove? The guy’s been killing it! 2.06 ERA with a 2.49 FIP, he’s only given up one HR, and he never walks guys.
He’s in the Must Start tier. He clearly isn’t in the elite category and Paul has him in the next tier after that, Not sure what more you want really.
No Giolito — is that just because of the IL stint, or is he out of the top 100? Obviously reasons to be skeptical but results so far this year were looking like 50-100.
Would love to hear why Turnbull was downgraded despite (at least in my eyes) surprisingly good results. Is it basically just the xFIP?
Appreciate the column showing their movement! Thanks for all you do!
Let’s overreact to 7 starts! Ready, set, go!
Let’s never adjust to anything and stand idly by for three months while things “stabilize” and our teams fall behind! Ready, set, go!
Thanks for doing these rankings. I’m curious what level of closer is Robbie Ray worth? I know it depends on a lot of other factors. In this case, I have someone who wants my Jordan Hicks and is offering me Ray. 14 team H2H categories league. That would leave me with only Trienen at RP, so I would have to pick someone like D. Castillo or Pressly off waivers, or I could put D. German at RP, or make another trade at some point. We start 2 RP and 5 SP. What are your thoughts on Ray ROS? Is his upside high enough that I shouldn’t worry too much about giving up a closer? On the other hand, there is downside with Ray too.