Batting Order Value Changes
As difficult as it is to keep up with during the spring, my Pod Projections reflect a hitter’s expected position in the batting order. For the best projections, they must, as all the counting stat forecasts are affected by a hitter’s spot. And yet even when we think we know where a hitter is going to slot in, when the games finally start to matter, there are always surprises. So here are a bunch of hitters whose spot in the batting order differs from my projection and whose value would therefore be affected meaningfully if it sticks.
Player | Actual Lineup Spot vs Projected Lineup Spot
Tyler Saladino | 1st vs 8th
The assumption was that rookie Charlie Tilson would be the White Sox leadoff hitter, but he hurt his foot during the spring and could be out for a little while. So then we all figured Tim Anderson would serve in that role and perhaps Melky Cabrera hitting second. Instead, Saladino has been nabbed as the leadoff man, with Anderson sliding into the second hole. Saladino has been a favorite actual sleeper, by which I mean his value wasn’t actually inflated during draft season, and he remained the rare so-called sleeper that continued to fit the description. Now with a move to the top of the order, he’s even more attractive.
The issue here throwing fantasy owners off is that he doesn’t figure to stand out in any particular category. But if I gave him 550 plate appearances, I would have him projected for 10 homers and 17 steals, which is most definitely worth more than you think. With the additional plate appearances hitting leadoff, all his counting stats will get a boost (with the exception of perhaps his RBI total). We’re all rightfully worried about Yoan Moncada’s eventual promotion, but let’s be real here — he hasn’t played a game at Triple-A yet and struck out nearly 31% of the time at Double-A. Let’s first see how he performs at the highest minor league level before even thinking about how Saladino’s playing time might be hampered.
Mitch Haniger | 2nd vs 6th
Here’s the sleeper that wasn’t, as everyone seemingly loved Haniger heading into the season. Even the Mariners apparently do, as they have been hitting him second in the order, rather than in the bottom half. Hitting in front of the meat of the order might curb his stolen base attempts, but everything else about this move is a major positive. It also validates the team’s confidence in him, which is important.
Jarrod Dyson | 9th vs 1st
It was a rare moment, or rare many moments, when I wasn’t the high man on Dyson for a change. He figured to open the year on either the strong side of a platoon or as an every day player, batting leadoff. But instead, he has hit ninth in his first two games. The first was against a lefty, so the thought was he’d bat at the bottom against southpaws, and leadoff against righties. But last night against a righty, he was back at the bottom, with Jean Segura at the top, followed by Haniger. That really takes a large bite out of his value, as he’ll lose over 100 plate appearances with the switch, which is going to kill his counting stats and reduce his stolen base opportunities.
Ryon Healy | 3rd vs 6th
The Athletics lineup was a work in progress during the spring and initially, Healy figured to hit in the middle of it. But by the end, it seemed as if the team settled on him as their sixth hitter. Just kidding. Healy has now hit third in the first two games, which is not significantly better than sixth, but definitely a nice little boost. That said, his spot seems less secure given that they have a bunch of players they could reasonably move around in the lineup. While I’m not convinced that Healy can hit for the same average, I do mostly believe in his power spike.
Jed Lowrie | 6th vs 2nd
I’m almost got suckered into him hitting second in the order as I thought it would convince me to roster him in AL Tout Wars. I managed to avoid such a decision and I’m glad I did. Lowrie would have only been interesting hitting toward the top of the lineup, as he doesn’t figure to contribute much in speed or power. So you’d really just be buying him for the regular playing time, for as long as he could remain off the DL, would would drive acceptable runs scored and runs batted in totals. Batting sixth now though, he’s barely even above replacement level even in an AL-Only league.
Mike Podhorzer is the founder of ProjectingX IQ, an advanced fantasy baseball analytics platform that transforms projection data and in-season performance signals into actionable intelligence. He is the 2015 Fantasy Sports Writers Association Baseball Writer of the Year and three-time Tout Wars champion. He is the author of the eBook Projecting X 2.0: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance, which teaches you how to project players yourself. Follow Mike on X@MikePodhorzer and contact him via email.
Manny Margot?
He seems to be “locked” (as certain as we can be 2 games in) into the 1 or 2 hole.
Does that change your projections significantly? If that keeps up all year, what kind of a year can we expect from him?
.280/10/90/50/30 avg/hr/r/rbi/sb reasonable or is that a pipe dream?
The problem with Margot is the other 3 OFs in San Diego that will be getting playing time. Once Dickerson gets back, one of them will likely be the odd man out. If he ends up on the short end of a CF/leadoff platoon with Jankowski, his value is shot.
i think that’s his peak production in all honesty.
i love Janky for the SBs and runs, but currently have shares in Margot bc of the 1/2 L/R batting order v Janky who is 9/1. Janky is also on the wire almost everywhere in 12 team mixed. watching him and this situation like a hawk.
Pretty sure I had Margot’s projections based on the #2 slot
Quick clarification request, “Healy has now hit third in the first two games, which is not significantly better than sixth, but definitely a nice little boost.” Did you mean which is significantly better? RBIs will stay similar but slightly better out of 3, but runs are much better in the 3 hole.
Not a typo. It’s not a significant change, like moving from 8 to 2, but definitely meaningful. And yes, runs scored will jump, but that’s really the only big change. Everything else receives only a small bump.
Mike, really enjoy 99% of your work, but if you are thinking that the runs jump and overall bump is insignificant from batting 6th to batting 3rd, the best lineup position of all, you’re missing on this one. 10% more plate appearances expected over the course of a season, and roughly 15% more runs from the 3 hole vs 6th. Not arguing about Healy specifically, but hitting 3rd for fantasy purposes is generally considered to be the optimal spot in the order and is absolutely much better than batting 6th.
Ehhh, prob just an issue with semantics and what we consider “significant” from a dollar value perspective! Compared to the rest of the lineup changes in this article, his is the least significant, since he moves the fewest spots. Agree with everything you said though!
Souza hit leadoff against Sabathia last night, does his value change by much if he continues to bat leadoff vs LHP?
I figure the Rays lineup will be changing all year, but sure, his value rises slightly, only because it’ll just happen versus lefties. Couple of extra PAs and runs scored.
Thanks, Mike. I didn’t think it would really bump his value too much, but was worried about fewer RBI opportunities if he wasn’t batting 5th or 6th.
More PAs to drag your average down.
Jeez, between yesterday’s column and today’s I’m doing great—or at least I hope so.
You listed Paxton and Nola as sleepers to be ERA champs and Shoemaker to be the WHIP king. I kept all three in my pts. league. (Though IPs matters more there.)
And I drafted Doolittle (and Dull too) thinking they had the best stuff to be closers eventually. (For my AL-only league.)
And I drafted Saladino, Haniger and kept Healy for my AL-only team.
But I have to confess: since the prices for available second basemen were astronomical (that happens in keeper leagues) I didn’t get a great price for Saladino ($14). But that’s what happens when there are two owners vying for the last reasonably priced second basemen.
should we reevaluate Granderson because of his change in order?
when he starting hitting 4th last season, his counting stats went through the roof!
Andrew Benintendi has batted 2nd in a potent Red Sox lineup after last year batting 8th or 9th. I know you anticipated that possible change after the Red Sox manager said he wanted the lefty Benintendi batting near the top to break up what would otherwise be a string of right-handed hitters. I now some of your colleague express skepticism in March that Beni would bat 3rd or 2nd. But if he continues to bat 2nd, as I have expected he will, how does that change his projected stats? I know you wrote you had crunched those numbers when I raised the issue three weeks ago.
Yeah, my latest published projections assumed he would bat second, so he wouldn’t fit here. Obviously, it’s a fantastic spot. Not sure how much it boosted his value in my leagues though.
I don’t know why you are so happy that you didn’t pick up Lowrie…he is the best hitter in baseball.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=21,d
Thank you for validating my love for Saladino.
I think we’re part of a long line-up seeking Saladino.
His OBP is bad. I think I like OBP too much.