Affordable Buy-High Candidates
Around this time of year when trade season starts open up in earnest, you consistently hear one maxim: buy-low, sell-high. It’s the tried-and-true method of trading and is ideal for what I hope are obvious reasons. However, it’s a lot easier said than done, particularly in the internet age of fantasy baseball. The statistical revolution and internet have colluded to equip all fantasy managers with any amount of data they desire about their players. You will still see lopsided deals, but outside of blatant cases of collusion, a deal that you deem as lopsided is still just a difference in player valuation.
The market inefficiency is in buying-high (I would be much more cautious with the inverse, but there could also be a market to exploit by selling low). Given how often fantasy managers are looking to sell high, there is a larger pool players to choose from and of course there is also more willingness to move them which adds to the likelihood of a deal getting done instead trying to pry someone your leaguemate wasn’t looking to sell in the first place. Buying high is easier, but it can be tricky (You don’t want to get smoked, but we’re talking buying-high, not buying-highest. you should never buy-highest… in any sense of the word). However, some players are seen as sell-high candidates while having a good shot at maintaining a high level of production and their price won’t always be commensurate with said production making them the ideal buy-high candidates.
Here are five such candidates:
John Jaso: The hang up with Jaso is that he only has first base eligibility and the power-hitting focus at the position leaves Jaso coming up short. His career high of 10 HRs came back in 2012. While he does lack the power to carry first base, he is an interesting corner infielder or utility as a high batting average hitter atop a proficient lineup. Plus, let’s not completely sleep on the fact that he has hit three homers, putting him on pace to crush his previous high.
He’s pacing for 14 more while the projections see 6-10 more (6 for ZiPS, 10 for Steamer & Depth Charts). Above all else, he needs to stay healthy, something that has been a career-long challenge as he’s never cleared 110 games played. If the perfect world scenario plays out and he maintains this pace, he’ll be this year’s Logan Forsythe. I’d settle for this year’s Mark Canha.
Daniel Murphy: Murphy is always underrated in fantasy baseball. He has averaged 582 plate appearances of a .291/.331/.421 line the last five seasons and yet always feels like an afterthought at the draft table. Maybe it’s because he doesn’t have a standout counting category as he’s never reached even 15 HRs and only once eclipsed 20 SBs with 23 back in 2013. Even a flashy postseason didn’t really push the hype up. I understand the reluctance to put too much weight into October, but it still happens regularly and yet Murphy was only the 10th 2B taken in an underwhelming pool.
Plus, his power surge wasn’t just the playoffs. He popped 4 HRs in both August and September before his insane 7-homer playoff run. Four homers in a month might not feel like much of an outburst, but it’s a 24-homer full season pace which would nearly double the 13 that currently stands as his career-high. With a .429 BABIP charging his .398/.439/.650 line, Murph is again being overlooked as everyone waits for the other shoe to drop. And I’m not here to suggest he’s going to chase down Ted Williams’ .406, but a .300 AVG, 12-14 HRs, 7-9 SBs, and 65+ R/RBI the rest of the way is the kind of studly line that Murphy is capable offering the rest of the way.
Odubel Herrera: Being on the Phillies is enough to keep a guy underrated, especially a relative unknown like Herrera. I liked him in the offseason so I’m certainly not going away from him now. In fact, I’m looking to take on more shares. A sharp change in approach has Herrera with more walks than strikeouts so far while also pacing toward a 15 HR-25 SB season. He hit .297 last year over a full season so his .319 AVG right now is hardly unrealistic, but even if he’s more of a .275 hitter the rest of the way with 10 HR and 20 SB, that is still very useful. The former Rule 5 pick has definitely raised his profile, but hardly to a level where the asking price will be high. He will be seen as a classic sell-high, but I think those selling might regret it a bit when they see him maintain a lot of what he’s done so far.
Trevor Story: With 11 HRs and 50 combined R/RBI, Story won’t exactly come cheaply, but the question is will he be valued as a top-3 shortstop in trade talks? My guess is no and yet only Carlos Correa (38) and Jonathan Villar (35) top his remaining 31 projected HR+SB from ZiPS. The focus seems to be entirely on the strikeout rate and what it might do to his batting average, but even that argument is flawed because I don’t think enough attention is given to what Coors Field will do to offset that AVG hit.
ZiPS is the lowest on projected AVG the rest of the way and they give him a .248. That’s passable, especially with the kind of counting category upside he offers. Too much energy is expended discussing what Story doesn’t do. I understand the Joc Pederson comparisons and have made them myself, but I’ve done so while acknowledging that his AVG is unlikely to sink quite as low because of that incredible home ballpark.
Brett Lawrie: I’d say Lawrie is a divisive player in the fantasy community, but he’d need a lot more backers for that tag. I’ve liked him – especially relative to my colleagues – but the two biggest camps seem to be disdain and indifference. Some are just 100% out because of the underwhelming returns paired with the… energetic personality that rubs some the wrong way – I’m fairly certain the dude pisses Red Bull. Many others just didn’t really consider him on draft day. After all, second base was deep with Lawrie types: guys who did a bit of everything, but had no carrying fantasy category.
Lawrie built a lot of hype on just 171 PA back in 2011, but the fact that he has never come close to that level again has left many soured on him. The case for him coming into this year was that he is still just 26 years old, has shown some pop in spurts since ’11, has defense to keep himself in the lineup, and he was leaving Oakland for Chicago – a sharp boost in offensive environment. The counter was that we had 1862 PA of modest production (97 wRC+) since that debut burst, the favorable environment in Toronto didn’t exactly bring the numbers, and he was just 14-for-21 on the bases since his 13 SB season in 2012 so he wasn’t really a power-speed threat anymore.
The thing that not even his backers saw coming was the incredible change in approach that has him much more selective at the dish (yielding a career-best 13% walk rate) and hitting for power we haven’t seen for a while. He’s hitting the ball in the air way more than ever with a 49% flyball rate and it has translated into 5 HRs already. We saw some power like this in 2012 when hit 12 HRs in 70 games, but a fractured finger and strained oblique cut that season drastically short.
Unless you happen to be playing with a big Lawrie proponent, the asking price won’t be severe. Plus, if you are in league with someone like that, chances are they won’t make Lawrie available anyway. The projections see another 12-14 HRs, a handful of stolen bases, but modest R/RBI totals. It is those last two categories where I think he can beat the projections and wind up as a strong buy-high. The bulk of his career and all of this season has been spent in the 6th and 7th spots of the lineup, but I could see him trading with Jimmy Rollins if both keep at or near their current lines. Rollins has just a .247/.315/.361 line after a .224/.285/.358 last year. Even Lawrie’s uninspired .256/.300/.412 from 2014-15 combined beats that out while this new, elevated version is a much better fit in between Adam Eaton and Jose Abreu.
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Have you bought high on any of these or any other early surprise standouts? What’d you pay?
Sold Murphy two weeks ago for Kyle Seager and Ryan Madson, pretty happy with the return.
That is a nice return, well done!!
Jonathan Villa! We have a new Johan Santa!
I bought Mike Moustakas in my points league and gave up James Shields. Now Mous is on the DL ?
still probably saved points. Nothing > Sheilds
Where is Story ranked among SS in a dynasty type setting? Top 5?
Is he in the Correa/Bogaerts/Lindor/Seager group? Just behind it?
Also, what happens when Ryan McMahon & Brendan Rodgers are MLB-ready? With Arenado entrenched at 3B, there’s only two IF spots left in Colorado.
Good points. I wouldn’t be surprised if Arenado gets traded before he becomes an unrestricted free agent. I think I’d put Story in that group and probably ahead of Lindor due to greater power.
I wouldn’t go for Jaso, seeing as he’s now in a platoon with Freese now that Kang is back.
Jaso has been in a platoon all year. But as a left-handed hitter he is on the strong side of the platoon. He crushes RHP – he always has.
You’re not concerned about Lawrie’s 31% K rate and .395 BABIP? Seems like regression will hit hard in that respect.
I 100% agree. Paul, how can you call a player striking out 10% more than his career average a guy whose “much more selective at the dish”? Because what, A 30% K rate is fine as long as you’re walking 12% of the time and have 20HR power?
Right now he has a .280 average with a .395 BABIP. How does that not terrify you? The dude has a career .305 BABIP, but even if you think he’s suddenly become a .350 BABIP guy (and I don’t know why you would) his BA will be no higher than .250 with this degree of selectivity. And if he regresses back to his career avg BABIP, you’re looking at a .220 AVG with 18-20HR and 5SB
Buy high everyone!!!
LOL, being a snarky dick because you disagree with something is a great way to move the discourse forward.
And his O-Swing% and Walk rate are both greatly improved. Selectivity isn’t just K%. But yeah, be snarkier, that’s a good look.
Man you take criticism poorly, not a great look to encourage discussion or disagreement. There is almost no snark in the comment, sans the ending, it is all stats based and common sense. Have fun with Lawrie, team him up with FG fave never-has-been Matt Moore.
I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings Paul. I guess now I know why you compulsively agree with everything everyone says on your podcast: disagreements bring out the douche in you.
Anyway, back to the argument at hand. I agree that BB% is a factor in pitch selectivity, however it can not just be observed in a vacuum. If a hitter increases his walks by 6 points, you can’t just say he’s gotten more selective without also looking at his K%. BB% matters in the CONTEXT of K%.
I just find it odd that in your 1000+ words on Lawrie, you laud his selectivity by citing BB% while completely ignoring the fact that’s he’s K-ing like Chris Davis. And the part that annoys me is that you KNOW he’s been striking out much more often. But instead of acknowledging it and arguing your point, you leave it out entirely. That’s one of two things: analytically unsophisticated, or analytically dishonest. You choose.
I’ve got no problem with critiques and disagreement. You come in hot firing like that, what do you expect? Always so funny when someone aggressively critiques something, gets it back and then acts like the person they attacked is in the wrong, lol. It’s not about feelings, it’s about moving the discourse forward. The worst part about your “critique” is was painfully wrong, too. At least if you’re going to be snarky, be right.
Owen, try again, man. LOL.
@Pirates, “There is almost no snark in the comment, sans the ending” … so then there is snark. What does it matter where it comes in the comment?
You keep trying to use K% as a selectivity meter and it’s just not that. You citing Chris Davis only further hurts your argument, too. As he’s another guy who has selectivity despite a high K%. Until you stop using K% as your only gauge for selectivity, it’ll be hard for you to understand the idea of selectivity.
Career-high 4.2 P/PA http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lawribr01-bat.shtml#batting_pitches::none
Career-high 12% BB% http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5247&position=3B#advanced
Big jump in K% despite a 1% increase in SwStr% http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5247&position=3B#platediscipline
Highest strike-looking percentage since his debut: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lawribr01-bat.shtml#batting_pitches::none
Yeah, that can’t be selectivity. Must just be… magic?
Again, I’m fine with critiques. But if you’re gonna be snarky with your critique, you’d be best right or I’m gonna push right back on it and you honestly couldn’t be more wrong in your assessment.
This was like the person who corrects someone’s grammar with two grammar mistakes of their own in the correction. Good job, good effort.
Me: “I agree that BB% is a factor in pitch selectivity, however it can not just be observed in a vacuum. If a hitter increases his walks by 6 points, you can’t just say he’s gotten more selective without also looking at his K%. BB% matters in the CONTEXT of K%.”
You: “You keep trying to use K% as a selectivity meter and it’s just not that…Until you stop using K% as your only gauge for selectivity, it’ll be hard for you to understand the idea of selectivity.”
Let me recap:
Me: BB% matters, but so does K%. BB% must be looked at in the context of K%.
You: HOW CAN YOU SAY K% is all that matters?
Me: He’s K-ing like Chris Davis
You: Well by my definition of selectivity, Chris Davis is selective. So now you wanna comp a guy you are saying is un-selective to a guy who I have decreed to be selective? Lol, epic fail.
But this all pales in comparison to the real point: Instead of addressing pertinent factors that detract from your point, you just flat out ignored them. (As a matter of fact, you still haven’t addressed the BABIP concerns, and what his average will look like once that regresses.) You are a writer Paul, and a good writer should know that any opinion based piece should anticipate, and preemptively address arguments that detractors of the stated opinion are most likely to make. In this case, it’s really as simple as “True, his K% is up 10 points, but blah blah blah”
As for “The worst part about your ‘critique’ is was painfully wrong, too. At least if you’re going to be snarky, be right.” I’d think a writer could construct a less puerile comeback than that. I don’t think I’ve heard that one since high school.
Honestly, dude what is this diatribe? Is there a cogent point in any of it? Where did I ignore K%? It’s there. I see it. It was ALL you used.
[Paul, how can you call a player striking out 10% more than his career average a guy whose “much more selective at the dish”?]
What point are you making there?
You looked at one aspect and said he isn’t being more selective. That’s just not true. Try again, man.
The richest part is where you suggested that I’m ignoring something as you ignore the post where I laid out all the other factors that clearly show he is being more selective. But hey man, keep trying. You’ll get there.
Also, if you want to be taken seriously even as you fail to make worthwhile points, don’t open with snarky douchebaggery.
ZSwing and Oswing
Stupid phone keypad. Meant to say z and o swing would be better indicators of selectivity than K% correct? Unless said player strikes out looking a lot… The Chris Davis reference is pointless in this CONTEXT. Way to stand your ground Paul, go get ’em!
You :”Honestly, dude what is this diatribe? Is there a cogent point in any of it?
Me: “Instead of addressing pertinent factors that detract from your point, you just flat out ignored them.”
In this comment I am, of course, referring to the article: not your responses to my comments. Seems pretty cogent to me.
You: “Where did I ignore K%? It’s there. I see it.”
Where in the article do you see it?
Ya know, I remember before the season started you were down on Sano. You cited his elevated BABIP and high K% as reasons you expected regression and were down on him. Coming into this season he had a 16% BB% rate, but in spite of that that you were concerned with his plate discipline, another way of saying his pitch selectivity.
And Herein lies the rub. One player has a high BB%, high K%, and an unsustainabley high BABIP and you cite the latter two as reasons you’re down on him. Another guy develops those same three factors 1.5 months into the season, and you cite the first factor (BB%) as a reason you are high on him. You cherry-pick stats that support your argument and ignore those that don’t (once again, in the article). How bout that? Is that cogent?
Anyway I think we’re both a little tired belaboring this (although I eagerly await you saying some variation of “nice try” to me for the fifth time) so I’ll end with this.
You have got to be the more insecure fangraphs writer on this site. I have never seen another writer get this worked up over a disagreement…ever. And I know what you’re thinking. “It’s not the disagreement I can’t handle, it’s the snark.” And I’m sure you believe that. But I’ve seen you treat those who question/disagree with you with the same level of hostility you are currently showing me (especially in your chats and actually in this very thread), regardless of how much snark they exude. I’ve seen people disagree with you in completely appropriate ways, and still you get so rattled by your own insecurity that you lash out with insults Bryce Harper would find juvenile.
And I’m sorry you’ve chosen to devote all your attention to me and none of it to the poor guy below who said ” Love this kind of actionable outside the box analysis. Paul. Great work.” Poor guy probably gave you five stars too.
Do you have any idea how the fantasy market works? You’re waiting for another variation of “nice try” bc you have to realize how feeble these attempts are. I didn’t like Sano based on his price in the market. I must’ve said that upwards of 50 times on the podcast. You have to pay attention for this to work at all. In what world were he and Lawrie compared? And so what’s the relevance of the comparison here?
Again I didn’t ignore the K%, I’m aware of it. It wasn’t relevant to what I was talking about. You keep using it as a selectivity meter and it’s just now how the metric works.
This is trolling 101. You try and make the person you attacked the insecure one bc I responded and pushed back on your comment. I’m perfectly secure in my stance and everything I write here. You just didn’t like being called on your trash comment.
How am I any more worked up than you or anyone else in the comments? Lol. Again, trolling 101. You tried to get attention with your snarky comment, got it, and now you don’t like it. And then you move the focus to this so you can continue to ignore the crux of the entire discussion: the fact that Lawrie has been much more selective and I’ve shown such with many metrics.
An elevated strikeout rate doesn’t mean you’re not selective. You’ve again brought up an irrelevant example of someone else but again hurt your argument in the process. Sano has that huge K% and yet has shown selectivity with it.
Btw what did I cherry pick? I looked at the factors pertinent to what I was writing about? That’s how this works. Have you read… anything… ever? Seriously Owen, this is just sad. You’ve gone so far off the rails bc your realize how wrong your original point was and now you can’t turn back. Swallow the pride. It’s ok to be wrong. Even spectacularly so as you are here.
Feel free to show any example of what you’re talking about with these disagreements. You’re projecting your insecurity on me. Stop that.
And where did I suggest I couldn’t handle the snark? I can dish it and take it. The latter seems especially problematic for you.
I agree with Paul on Lawrie. 30% K rate is nothing to be concerned about in today’s day in age when you are walking more than 10% of the time and have a lot of other evidence to support plate discipline. My only concern is his BABIP with the number of fly balls he has hit. My guess is some regression is coming in BA but there will be better power numbers (assuming more fly balls leave the yard) in his new home ballpark.
Oops… I gave my own post a thumbs down! 🙂
I also have a theory that players who consciously improve plate discipline strike out more as well. This is what makes Herrera fascinating… that he has greatly improved plate discipline and not at the expense of his strikeout rate. Given his lack of historical power, he actually should be hitting fewer fly balls though. Lawrie can keep hitting fly balls, I don’t mind! 🙂
Since this is FanGraphs, it seems worth pointing out that in OttoNeu, John Jaso is very definitely an Outfielder.
Projections have Herrera at 7 HR, 14 SB RoS. Where are you getting 10 HR, 20 SB as his floor? Seems like hand waving bs if you ask me
Are you angry because you think that’s low or high? If you add his current numbers to those ROS numbers you get to almost exactly 10/20…
What are you talking about? Since when are projections the bible? They’re useful, they’re not in stone.
So so true Paul. Projections, if they were right, would be Gray’s Sports Almanac and why bother playing fantasy or watching games? We all have guys we like better than most; I like this article as we see many on buying low. I am a Story fan and have seen little on Not selling him “high.” If he wasn’t in Colorado I could see it, but he’s going to be money the rest of the way, even if/when Reyes returns. (I know the original comment was on Odrubal but I wanted to reference projections more importantly)
And when did I say that was his floor? Don’t come in hot with that trash.
Paul you’re a savage and I love it haha
Once again terrible reply to a valid point, so we trust the projections until Sporer speaks from on high.
I don’t have a dog in the hunt, but Pirates Hurdles is right – man you take criticism poorly.
I don’t know what was valid about the point…first of all he didn’t say anything about floors, and even if he had 10/20 is totally within the realm of reasonable.
That being said…maybe a little too scorched earth on the replies. But then, I’m not paid to interact with sports fans on the internet,and if I were I’d probably be angry too.
Why READ the article if you only want to follow projecitons? The purpose of the articles is to help folks see where to zag against projections….and, man, commentators are the worst, so i have no issue with Paul taking issue with folks being snarky and annoying…you dish it you get it back…seems fair to me
The reply was very much in line with the tone of the original comment: “Seems like hand waving bs if you ask me”
I don’t see how any of you have a right to complain about this
How do I take criticism poorly? Because I reply to the comments? So I should just take everything at face value and not challenge it? You folks who just marry the projections and don’t put any actual thought into what you’re seeing (assuming you’re even watching any games) really crack me up.
Posting a comment that distorts what I said and misses the mark entirely isn’t criticism, either. It’s just a bad comment.
Oddball, I’m not angry. I’m pretty chill. I can take it, but I can dish it back, too. That first part seems to be a problem for the rest of the comment section. They can dish it, but they can’t hear anything coming back their way. Then it’s just “taking criticism poorly”, lol. I’ve never understood why someone expects to be able to comment and then gets surprised when they get something back.
rdt and others are 100% right. How can you take a snarky, know-it-all, dismissive tone, then when Paul addresses your comments with directness (and no more, and probably less, snark than you used), you act horrified at the alleged lack of civility? Cowardly. You can’t have it both ways. If you want to argue merits, argue merits, don’t try to elevate your status using some kind of dismissive snark. And certainly don’t do the latter, and then do the equivalent of running back to your parents and complaining about “tone” and “how someone takes criticism.”
Love this kind of actionable outside the box analysis. Paul. Great work.
Was able to sell high on Story and traded him, Drury, and Gioloto for Correa. Thoughts?
If it’s a keeper league, bad. If it’s not, good.
Solid as usual paul. Picked up odubel earlier this year bc of your pod
This is a weird comments section. Like listening to your parents fight or something.