2017 Pod’s Picks & Pans — Outfield

Let’s finish up the hitting side of Pod’s Picks and Pans with a look at the outfielders. Since we draft so many of them, there are far more opportunities for disagreement. For this position, I’ll only consider Picks to be those in my top 60 and Pans to be those in the consensus top 60.

Outfielders March Rankings Update

Pod’s Picks — Outfield
NAME Mike RG Consensus Diff
Billy Hamilton 10 22 -12
A.J. Pollock 6 13 -7
Adam Duvall 27 51 -24
Ender Inciarte 31 57 -26
Travis Jankowski 45 79 -34
Jose Ramirez 21 32 -11
Kevin Pillar 57 84 -27
Kevin Kiermaier 33 47 -14

If you’ve been reading my articles over the past couple of years, you’re probably well aware of how the valuation system I use treats speed-only guys. Without arguing which methodology is correct (because seriously, I really don’t know for sure), my dollar values value the pure speed guys more highly than seemingly everyone else. I was hoping to avoid valuation system differences as a reason for my Picks and Pans, but alas, the outfield has forced me into such an explanation.

So here we have Billy Hamilton, A.J. Pollock, Ender Inciarte, Travis Jankowski, Jose Ramirez, Kevin Pillar, and Kevin Kiermaier all falling into about the same bucket. They either earn the vast majority of their value from steals, or a good portion of it.

You know the story on Hamilton, who I famously selected in the second round of the mixed LABR draft in 2015. So it shouldn’t surprise you that I’m more bullish…not necessarily on the projections, but on what that stat line is worth. And man do we disagree, as I’m up at 10 and the most pessimistic ranker is down at 32! The crazy thing is that I didn’t even roster Hamilton in either of my two leagues! So perhaps the perception that speed has become scarce has really inflated his price, as maybe owners are panicking and willing to pay more than they are valuing him at? Or I’ve just been in leagues where there’s one other owner who values him even more than I do.

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Interestingly, I bought Hamilton for a mere $8 in my 2016 local league auction, and I believe he went for a whopping $22 this time. Aside from a suppressed BABIP fueled low batting average, he was exactly the same player in 2015 and 2016 from a fantasy perspective!

A.J. Pollock probably has a bit of expectation differences, rather than strictly valuation. He’s coming off a lost injury-marred season and is now 29. I believe in his power and ability to contribute once again in all categories, while his injury was of the freak nature and he shouldn’t be at risk of reoccurence. His steals total is the big question mark as speed ages poorly and now the Diamondbacks have brought on a new manager, whose running philosophy is unknown at this point.

Ender Inciarte makes the list not only thanks to his steals, but also his batting average. He has the classic boring profile with limited power and decent steals numbers, but with a major piece of his value coming from batting average. We tend to discount guys who don’t excite with the counting stats and it makes guys like Inciarte undervalued. I will admit that he’s a guy that I wouldn’t draft at his value because batting average is prone to so much variance due to the bouncing ball that is BABIP, and I’d rather pay for the counting stats. But if we’re just talking final season value based on a projection, he’s a bargain.

How can a guy who’s a real threat to steal 40 bases be ranked outside the top 60, as a guy not worthy of starting in a 12-team league? Travis Jankowski isn’t exactly a strong hitter, but his fantastic defense should keep him in the lineup. And with Alex Dickerson on the shelf with an injury, his playing time should be safe. He’s essentially Hamilton-lite and you can nab him for basically free.

I had no idea I was so much higher on Jose Ramirez until he was scooped up as a bargain in LABR (sadly, not by me). Here’s another one who doesn’t stand out in any particular category, but literally helps everywhere. It’s the whole “30 homers/0 steals looks better than 10 homers/20 steals” perception problem. And Ramirez also batted .312! Batting average is another undervalued category, though perhaps fantasy owners are skeptical since he hit just .219 the prior year and .262 the season before. xBABIP suggests he’s a legit .300 BABIP guy which should ensure he maintains a strong average. Oh, and he qualifies at third too.

Kevin Pillar? His counting stats fell across the board and I’m forecasting a marginal rebound. Once again, 10 homers and 15 steals doesn’t look all that enticing, but it is!

Kevin Kiermaier’s ranks are real interesting. Three of us are in the 30s, one in the 40s, one in the 50s, and one in the 60s. He’s another in the Jose Ramirez mold that does a little of everything, but without the batting average. Unfortunately, he hits too many pop-ups to ever contribute in average, but he should enjoy a mild rebound there. Oh, and for what it’s worth, Travis Sawchik thinks thinks there is breakout potential here.

And then there’s the answer to the question “which of these players doesn’t belong?” Adam Duvall is most certainly not a valuation issue, which is good, because I hate trying to argue something we can’t even prove which side is correct. Frankly, I have no idea why fantasy owners are so down on his potential to repeat his 2016 performance. xHR/FB not only validates his power, but even suggests upside — his mark sat at 19.4% versus a 17.8% actual mark. And being such a fly ball hitter, gains in HR/FB rate will have an increased effect.

Even his batting average should improve thanks to a .298 xBABIP versus a .275 actual mark. While it makes sense to call for some regression, he should see more plate appearances (though none of the projections except mine are calling for that), and should be a lock to hit at least 30 homers. His excellent left field defense should ensure he doesn’t lose playing time due to his suspect plate discipline.

Pod’s Pans — Outfield
NAME Mike RG Consensus Diff
Bryce Harper 12 4 8
Nelson Cruz 17 7 10
Giancarlo Stanton 22 10 12
Jose Bautista 37 21 16
Joc Pederson 64 39 25
Kyle Schwarber 41 25 16
Byron Buxton 78 49 29

I promised I would discuss my Bryce Harper ranking eventually, and now is finally the time. While everyone sits in the two (!!) to six range, I’m all the way down at 12, which seems downright wrong. Here are my issues:

  • I don’t believe in the steals. In fact, I’m projecting regression to just 10. For a guy who continually gets banged up and with a below average Spd score, I just can’t comprehend why he would continue to run. This is especially true because he’s not a particularly strong basestealer (68% success rate last year, 69% career).
  • His .264 BABIP was more real than you think. Sure, Harper had never posted a BABIP below .306 before so everyone is assuming a rebound. But, he’s now getting shifted more than ever before and also pushed his fly ball rate up to a career high level. His xBABIP was just .274 last year!
  • That power? His HR/FB rates always sat in the mid-to-high teens until his historic 2015 explosion. Doesn’t that season look like the outlier, rather than the performance level he should be expected to return to? His xHR/FB rate suggested he was a bit lucky in 2015 and his 2016 mark completely supported the regression.
  • You want to blame his 2016 disappointing performance on injuries/health, right? But that’s the thing with Harper, he’s seemingly always playing hurt! Health is a skill (Giancarlo Stanton nods) and so it’s silly to think that his performance will jump back toward his 2015 level because he is healthier now (yeah, yeah, great, he has six spring homers, whoopty doo)

I like Harper, we all do, and think he’s a fantastic hitter who should most certainly improve from last year. But to pay for him like 2015 is the norm with some small regression built in or that 2016 never happened makes little sense to me. He surely has the ultimate upside to do it again, but you don’t pay for a hitter’s upside if you expect to win in fantasy baseball.

My Nelson Cruz ranking also looks way out of line. This one’s easy. He’s 36 and coming off the two highest HR/FB rates of his career?! Plus, his xBABIP marks suggest a sub-.300 BABIP, as he is one of the rare right-handers that is getting shifted. He has both power and batting average downside even when ignoring his age, then you add in the age component and he’s a classic bust candidate.

Ahhh, Giancarlo Stanton. Can you just stay healthy darnit?! Only 546 projected PA, and he won’t help in average or steals. In a shallow league, I’m definitely willing to take him slightly earlier than my rank or pay a higher price than my value dictates. Since my ranking is strictly mathematically, the lack of PA is hurting him, whereas the other rankers are apparently less worried about the injury risk.

Jose Bautista is 36, has helped in batting average just twice in his entire career, and stopped stealing bases. Oh, and his Brls/BBE was essentially cut in half last year. Sure, perhaps he rebounds, but I’d bet on this just being age-related decline.

Joc Pederson is yet another who seems to be overvalued simply because the weak batting average isn’t take enough of a bit out of his value. It seems clear those minor league steals are never going to come and he gets shifted a ton, putting his batting average at risk. Batting in the bottom half of the Dodgers lineup makes it tough to be a strong contributor in RBI and runs scored.

I love Kyle Schwarber’s power, but he’s not going to face lefties or contribute in batting average. Batting first isn’t much of a help as although he’ll get a bunch more plate appearances, it vastly reduces his RBI chances. Also don’t forget that we still have just 278 MLB plate appearances from him. I keep thinking of him as a sure thing and then have to remind myself that he has barely even played half a season!

I was like 99% sure that Byron Buxton would be overvalued this year. I think these rankings came out before I adjusted his projections to reflect the expectation he’ll open the season in the leadoff slot, so I would have him higher now. But I don’t expect him to last there given my projected .290 OBP. You’re all excited by his offensive explosion in September, and while the power was a pleasant surprise, it came with a 33.6% strikeout rate and .370 BABIP. We also haven’t seen the willingness to run that he displayed in the minors and there’s no indication that he’ll come anywhere near the 25 steals the Fans are projecting. It’s just basically blind optimism at this point.

While his .329 BABIP looks reasonable given his power/speed combo, his xBABIP was just .301. He managed just a .225 average even with a .329 BABIP! He could flirt with the Mendoza Line if that strikeout rate fails to improve and his BABIP drops. I understand the appeal, but as I’ve mentioned above with Harper, it makes little sense to pay for that upside.





Mike Podhorzer is the founder of ProjectingX IQ, an advanced fantasy baseball analytics platform that transforms projection data and in-season performance signals into actionable intelligence. He is the 2015 Fantasy Sports Writers Association Baseball Writer of the Year and three-time Tout Wars champion. He is the author of the eBook Projecting X 2.0: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance, which teaches you how to project players yourself. Follow Mike on X@MikePodhorzer and contact him via email.

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sebastiaoj
9 years ago

Doesn’t sound like Molitor wants Buxton leading off. If he finds himself batting 3-6, how would it further effect his projections for 2017?

Sleepy
9 years ago

Mike, you accidentally put a 4 in front of Babe Schwarber’s rank…

CasonJolette
9 years ago

Mike,

Couple different questions here. My big money OBP draft is today, so I’ve got a couple pressing issues.

So, first off, in relation to the context of this article, it’s kind of a buzz kill. I’ve got the second overall pick in the draft, and have been preparing to take Harper without much second thought. Eno supported this move and Rudy Gamble similarly took Harper second overall in the recent Tout Wars draft. It’s a shallow league, so I thought the risk was justified. Would you argue against this or does Harper get enough of a boost in OBP to justify it? I was also considering Goldschmidt here, but with my next pick there is a strong group of first baseman (Votto, Freeman, Encarnacion).

In the same vein, I have Stanton and Bautista as two targets in this draft. Partially because of Yahoo rankings (Stanton in the 40’s and Bautista in the 80’s) and because of the OBP format. How would you approach this?

Lastly (not related to this article), I’m struggling on gauging the best place in the draft to grab a third baseman. Assuming I don’t get one of the elite first round bats, I’m looking at Carpenter (72) and Rendon (80) in the 6th/7th round range and Sano(144) and Lamb (147) in the 12th/13th range. The projection systems love Sano in an OBP format, but he’s also been struggling this spring with a 20/3 K/BB ratio. Meanwhile Lamb has had a great spring, with a 13/5 K/BB ratio in the same number of plate appearances, but gets little love in any of the auction Values despite the strong walk rate. Rendon and Carpenter are much safer similarly priced players, but going a few rounds earlier. In that same Tout Wars draft, Carpenter went 41st, Rendon 46th, Sano 77th, and Lamb 135th. Thoughts?

Thanks you so much as the dawn of this fantasy season quickly approaches!!

CasonJolette
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Podhorzer

Thanks for the quick reply. I agree that that the OBP/shallow league factor does change the dynamics quite a bit.

Without running the numbers, just an educated guess, would you prefer the safety/face value of a Carpenter/Rendon or the undervalued/upside of a Sano/Lamb based on where they are getting drafted?

Rufus T. FireflyMember since 2019
9 years ago

I think you even undersell Inciarte a bit. I like that he’s hitting leadoff for a decent team– lots of at bats with good OBP skills will lead to lots of runs along with a nice bunch of steals. He’s only 26 so maybe he adds a touch of power and hits 8-10 homers, too. Isn’t he a lot like Adam Eaton?

BradeMember since 2019
9 years ago

Brls/BBE? (I looked around the site for an explanation, but none gave the actual words of the acronym)

kid
9 years ago

Harper’s batted ball profile was a wreck last year, and his problems striking the ball were very real. He had one month (Sept/Oct) with a LD rate greater than 16.5%. For grins, in 2015, he had *three* months with a LD rate greater than 25% and just one month below 19.3%. We’ve now got three or four seasons of Bryce Harper, the decent OF2 w/ a .340-.350 wOBA, and one season of Bryce Harper, Conqueror of Worlds, with a .461 wOBA. It seems like the industry is largely comfortable averaging his 2015 and 2016 seasons for a 2017 projection, but after thinking about it for a while, I don’t know that I can say I prefer him over Ryan Braun.

kid
9 years ago

I understand what you are saying about Pederson, but I think that his 2016 season gave us a few reasons to be optimistic. For starters, in Tony Blengino’s superb Hitter Contact Quality series, Pederson graded out extremely well on all batted ball types, including grounders, which is a positive driver for batting average. Additionally, Pederson’s contact rates went up significantly in 2016, reducing his swinging-strike rate from 14% to 10%, increasing his Z-contact from 77% to 84%, and increasing his overall contact rate from 66.7% to 75%. I don’t believe he’ll ever be better than a .260 hitter at his peak, but he’s still young enough (still 24) that we can be open to further growth, and a .260 hitter with 30-35 HR power and a sprinkle of speed (even 10 bags?) would be a fine OF3 type.

Will H.
9 years ago
Reply to  kid

Also if you like that BRLS stat, his BRLS/PA was 33rd of around 250, another sign his contact was awesome. I’d not be surprised by more power.

OutOfTheBox
9 years ago

I disagree with you on paying for Buxton. In a 10 or 12 team league I much rather have the upside of Buxton than a Holliday, Cabrera, Gradnerson etc. He is still young and was a top prospect. If he fails there will always be an OF to pickup.

I do agree somewhat with the Harper evaluation. I do think Turner, Blackmon, marte, and maybe Braun should be ahead of him but I really can’t see anyone past that.

MattabattacolaMember since 2026
9 years ago

Hey Mike I always love your analysis. You clearly value steals quite a bit, how much do you adjust your strategy on the fly when you get someone like Billy Hamilton?

baltic wolfMember since 2026
9 years ago

Why would you say there’s no risk of “reoccurence” of the injury that Pollock sustained?
It’s the very same elbow he broke in 2010. Not that it matters to me (I’m in two different keeper leagues and one is an AL-only league), but I’d be reluctant to go after somebody who had exactly the same injury twice.

AzizalMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Podhorzer

idk, you might be right re: bone vs muscle injuries but anyway you slice it, Pollock is injury prone. You knock down several other guys for that but not him. Seems inconsistent from here.

AzizalMember since 2017
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Podhorzer

Getting hit by pitches is obviously somewhat random, but not entirely, right? Some guys get hit more often because they crowd the plate. Not sure if Pollock is one of them, but he did miss a big chunk of time to this in 2014. But set that aside, let’s assume it was random.

More importantly, Pollock badly hurt his groin at the end of last season. If it hadn’t been at the end of the season, it might’ve been a several month injury and that kind of injury is very worrisome in general, and re: steals.

Plus, read this. It does not give confidence that his twice broken elbow is what you say it is. Doctor: “The main issue is that this is a re-injury: “We’re trying to get a bone to heal that has not been healed together for some time,” said Sheridan. “That’s why we’re taking this so seriously and doing everything we can.”

http://www.azsnakepit.com/2016/4/10/11401586/a-j-pollock-elbow-surgery-rehab

I would not assume the bone is healed properly this time either, or that it is as strong in general.

John Morgan
9 years ago
Reply to  Mike Podhorzer

I think this is an oversimplification. Plus it seems to contradict your argument that “health is a skill.”

I don’t believe that health is a skill. By that reasoning, a player could master the ability to stay healthy and, conversely, often-injured players perhaps haven’t worked hard enough to stay healthy. That seems both wrong and erroneously judgmental, as if, say, Mark Prior was at fault for his shoulder injuries. &c.

Health is certainly a talent (or, if not, whatever we would classify good luck.) Some bodies are all-but adamantine. Others break down. Some break down in one specific but debilitating way. Others seem to break down in bits and pieces–maybe a cascade of injuries, maybe just mounting evidence of fragility.

Pollock may have been entirely unlucky. If so, his many past injuries are all red herrings. But that’s all but impossible to prove. It also seems, just thinking inductively, that’s probably not the case. I would guess that most players who average 80 or so games through their first five seasons rarely “figure it out” at age 29, and go on to many healthy, productive seasons.

kid
9 years ago
Reply to  baltic wolf

As a general statement on injuries, the guys who play “up the middle” spots tend to get dinged up more, just by nature of their defensive assignments. Pollock doesn’t strike me as injury-prone, but as a CF, his job is running at full speed and diving around on the field.

johansantana17Member since 2026
9 years ago

On your point about the Dbacks having a new manager with an unknown SB strategy: The Diamondbacks currently lead the MLB in spring training SBs. There was a recent article on here that found that an increase in spring training stolen base attempts/stolen base opportunities is correlated with an increase in regular season stolen base attempts/stolen base opportunities. By that article’s logic, the Diamondbacks looked primed to run a lot in 2017.

Average Fastball VelociraptorMember since 2016
9 years ago

Would be great to link to your previous entries in this series…

RainmakerMember since 2016
9 years ago

After reading several of these, the over-valuation of Steals in your system seems to impact these projections too much to derive anything from picks/pans. Your commentary helps somewhat, but with most of these it still seems like your system either has an outsized penalty or reward for the stolen base.