2016 Pod’s Picks & Pans: Starting Pitcher
You’re not sick of reading about my Picks and Pans yet, right? Of course not, you love them! We’re winding down the series and today we move along to the starting pitchers. As you no doubt have argued in the comments, my valuations take innings into consideration. It has to. We’re valuing the player’s contributions to our team. This is from a strict dollar value perspective. This is different than where I might suggest drafting the player in a snake draft, as I’d be more willing to take a lower ranked pitcher projected for better ratios than a higher ranked one with worse ratios, but more innings.
| Player | Mike | Consensus | Diff |
| Corey Kluber | 4 | 9 | -5 |
| Stephen Strasburg | 7 | 13 | -6 |
| Justin Verlander | 28 | 48 | -20 |
| Ian Kennedy | 38 | 65 | -27 |
Corey Kluber is perhaps the most undervalued ace in fantasy baseball this season. Of course, it’s fairly easy to see why — his ERA sat at 3.49 last year and his meaningless win-loss record was a brutal 9-16. But we’re smarter than that and know to look deeper than the former and completely ignore the latter. His SIERA was actually a much more impressive 2.98 and he’ll benefit from what promises to be the best Indians defense in years. He’ll also pitch a ton of innings and rack up a boatload of strikeouts.
Speaking of undervalued aces, why the pessimism on Stephen Strasburg?! Actually, once again, it’s easy to pinpoint the reason — he battled injuries last season and finished the year with a meh 3.46 ERA. He’s also only pitched more than 183 innings once in his career. But it was clear that his early season injury issues hampered his performance. Why was it so obvious? Because when he returned from his second, and last, disabled list stint, he finished with a 10-game stretch that was masterful. He struck out 37% of the batters he faced and posted a tiny 1.90 ERA. This was a needed reminder of what a healthy Strasburg is capable of. It’s silly to rank him outside the top 10, but provides another opportunity to grab an ace at a discounted rate.
My Justin Verlander projection surprised me as I figured for sure he would be overvalued this year and I would be on the bearish side. And there seems to be a clear divide in opinion as both Steamer and ZiPS are forecasting a high-3.00 ERA, while the Fans are expecting a low-3.00 ERA. Naturally, I’m right in the middle, projecting a 3.48 mark. For some reason, Steamer is projecting a steep decline in strikeout rate. That probably stems from his decreased velocity the last couple of years, combined with the effects of aging.
But his season performance was also clearly pulled down by his work immediately after returning from a triceps injury. He struck out just 8.8% of the batters he faced when he returned in June and actually walked more batters than he struck out. But once the calendar flipped to July, he seemingly got healthier and he was back up above 21% for the rest of the season. I expect a similar performance in 2016.
Ian Kennedy is going to prove to be a bargain, especially in deep leagues. Last year he managed to sustain the strikeout rate spike he enjoyed in 2014, but a ridiculous 17.2% HR/FB rate marred his results. Moving to the American League is never a positive, but he has ended up in the best possible situation in Kansas City. The Royals figure to employ the best defense, by far, in baseball, including easily the best outfield defense. That’s important because Kennedy is a fly ball pitcher. Furthermore, Kauffman Stadium sports the fourth lowest home run park factor in baseball. It’s pretty amazing to see the discrepancy between the Steamer and ZiPS projections, with the latter being a full run higher than the former. It makes me truly question the entire ZiPS pitcher projection engine.
| Player | Mike | Consensus | Diff |
| Lance McCullers | 74 | 43 | 31 |
| Yu Darvish | 82 | 49 | 33 |
| Madison Bumgarner | 8 | 5 | 3 |
| Wei-Yin Chen | 50 | 32 | 18 |
Obviously, these rankings were published before Lance McCullers‘ shoulder injury that’s going to delay the start of his season. But, this risk was precisely why my ranking was so much more bearish to begin with. There were many question marks here. First, he hasn’t thrown a pitch at the Triple-A level. Yes, pitchers could more easily make the jump from Double-A to the Majors and succeed than hitters. But it’s still a risky move.
Second, the Astros essentially have six starting pitchers for five slots. I’m no Scott Feldman fan, but he’s given the team better than league average ERA marks, even if those marks were built upon a shaky skills foundation. I just couldn’t imagine Feldman being banished to the bullpen all season. So innings was going to be an issue for McCullers. From a performance standpoint, assuming full health, I was a bit more optimistic than the two projection systems and slightly more bearish than the Fans. As is usually the case. The shoulder injury increases the risk even further, but of course his price is now going to come down, perhaps making him a reasonable gamble.
How are people so bullish on Yu Darvish? He’s coming back from TJ surgery! Not only is it unlikely he starts much more than 20 games, but there’s serious performance risk as well. Pitchers typically struggle with their control and command upon returning from the procedure and their fastball velocity is often down as well. Darvish hasn’t exactly possessed pinpoint control during his career, so he could take some time to get his feel back. He does have enough of an assortment of pitches to get by without his best fastball, but given the strong correlation between fastball velocity and strikeout rate, a decline in the former may very well lead to a decline in the latter. I totally get the upside, but it seems to ignore the massive risk associated with pitchers returning from this surgery.
Man, I didn’t realize I was bearish on Madison Bumgarner, though three spots in the rankings isn’t a whole lot. But it’s clear when comparing my projection to the various systems, I’m certainly more pessimistic. The other systems are all in the 2.70 ERA range, I’m at 3.07! There are essentially two drivers of the discrepancy — the strikeout rate and the LOB%. Bumgarner’s strikeout rate has risen for three straight seasons and last year all four of his primary pitches sported SwStk% marks above his career average. That trend simply cannot continue, so I’m betting on some regression. In addition, he has outperformed his xK% marks, and that’s not a skill I think can last.
Second, the projection systems are all forecasting a LOB% mark in the 77%-78% range, which is well above his 76% career average. Only once in a full season has he posted a LOB% above 75.8%, so what could possibly be leading to such a projection? I think it’s far too aggressive. You could see how that affects his ERA projection as both Steamer and ZiPS are projecting Bumgarner to set a new career best ERA! That’s a rarity for an established veteran and pretty surprising to see.
It’s easy to get somewhat excited about Wei-Yin Chen’s move to the National League. He’s coming off a strikeout rate spike and the best ERA of his career. But you’re making a mistake if you project an NL boost off of his 2015 performance. Instead, you need to project his 2016 performance as if he were staying in the AL and then adjust based on league and park factors. At 30 years old, it’s difficult to project Chen to sustain that strikeout rate surge. His four-seam fastball produced a career high SwStk%, despite no increase in velocity, so you have to figure in some regression.
Once you account for a decline in strikeout rate had he remained in the AL, a boost from the move to the NL isn’t going to result in that much higher a strikeout rate mark than what he posted in 2015. But perhaps more importantly, Chen significantly outperformed his SIERA! A 3.34 ERA hid a soft skill set, and he accomplished this by stranding a ridiculous 80.5% of runners. That’s not going to happen again. The league and park switches are indeed a positive, though he’ll be trading in one of the best defenses in baseball for a mediocre one.
Mike Podhorzer is the founder of ProjectingX IQ, an advanced fantasy baseball analytics platform that transforms projection data and in-season performance signals into actionable intelligence. He is the 2015 Fantasy Sports Writers Association Baseball Writer of the Year and three-time Tout Wars champion. He is the author of the eBook Projecting X 2.0: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance, which teaches you how to project players yourself. Follow Mike on X@MikePodhorzer and contact him via email.
If all things are equal this year, Kennedy will have a net gain of 84 DRS by switching teams. That’s insane.
After seeing Chris young beat his xFIP by 2+ runs, I am a believer.
NFBC has him going around 245th overall. The risk is deflated just enough.
That’s a dose of cold water on Chen – I’ve seen him really hyped in the rest of the industry recently.
It’s not just moving to the NL, but the NL East in particular. Marlins will play something like 23-24% of ALL their games against the Phillies & Braves. Do your projections take into account strength of schedule? I know in most cases, it’s hard to know pre-season how tough a schedule is, but this seems like an exception where we can tell today that Chen has the tailwind of 7-8 starts against the worst two teams in the league.
Your point is still taken but don’t assume that the Phillies offense is as bad as you insinuate. I don’t have any numbers in front of me but they were sneaky good last year and will only be better. Not exactly a team you look to get extra starts against. I’d rather be a team in the west that can face the Braves and Marlins
I don’t know man…last year they were 4th-worst by Runs, 3rd-worst by wRC+, and 2nd-worst by WAR.
Franco is scary. Outside of him, their best hitter last year was Odubel Herrera (solid), Altherr (injured), Revere (gone), and a bunch of slap hitters. Oh, and Ryan Howard’s corpse.
This year, they replaced Revere with Bourjos (ugh), and… that’s about it. They were a little better in the 2nd half, but still bottom-3rd of the league, and it’s hard to see them being anything but poor.
Ok but they were atrocious in the first half and for the first month after the allstar break they were top 3 in runs scored. Point being is that even though they were playing over their heads, they were an offense to be feared in the prime of the fantasy season. I think it was a combo of clutch hitting and high babips. It shocked me last year so I’ve learned not to count on expecting a team to suck in order for another player to have full value. It’s not a good bet.
This is a good point. My projections don’t directly account for strength of schedule, though if it was an obvious extreme change in one direction, I might mentally make a small adjustment.
Have you ever looked at the correlation between strength of opponents faced and the pitchers stats, i.e. how much of a stat line is dependent on the batters they faced?
Conceptually, it doesn’t seem too difficult to take overall team projections and come up with a simple index to apply to the pitchers’ lines. Would like to know if it’s worth the effort though…
Basically it’s the same idea we apply when ‘streaming’ pitchers. The difference is that in-season, we have a better sample of what the strength of schedule actually IS based on real baseball, not just projections. But if we do this for streaming and/or DFS, why not try it for projections?
I think that might be interesting from an underlying skills perspective. I wouldn’t want to compute that on just ERA or WHIP or something, but rather strikeout and walk rates.
Where do your valuations of top-end starters fit in with hitters? Differences of a few spots amid the top-20 SP doesn’t mean a whole lot to me – after Kershaw, most people feel pretty good picking 1-2 guys from any of the next 15. But if your values push the top tier higher or lower than average, that is really good insight. Are you on board with the ADPs this year, where the top 15 or so is taken in the 3rd-4th rounds?
For me, starting pitcher valuations are all relative. I have no idea why this year the perception is that the top tier is going early. You still have Kershaw, your assortment of $20 guys, and then down from there. If I don’t draft Kershaw, then I’m not going to be the first to start the next group. I’ll just wait and see what everyone else does. Whenever someone drafts the next SP, say Scherzer, that signals it’s time for the non-Kershaws to go. So it doesn’t matter when that begins, there is no value gained. It just comes down to the relative value, like Strasburg falling to the 20th SP taken.
Yep. You’re probably not drafting right if you took the 2nd SP off the board. In my own draft, Scherzer went 21st overall, and if you waited, you could have gotten David Price 34th.
Sure, I’d rather have Scherzer than Price, but I’d MUCH rather have Mookie Betts (who went 22nd) than Charlie Blackmon (who went 35th). Using tiers absolutely works as a draft strategy.
My thoughts:
Kluber and Strasburg fall into 12 or so starting pitchers after the Kershaw and Max that are relatively similar. I think people tend of overrate last year’s performance as the tie breaker.
Strasburg was the most injured out of the group and his final ERA was high. So the thinking goes “David Price, Harvey, Greinke, etc. are close to Strasburg in value so why take a risk?”
I think the risk is on Price in that group – when will we like his matchup? At home in Fenway? In Yankee stadium, or at Toronto, or in Baltimore with their bashers in the summer? That’s around 2/3rds of his starts!
My point is you can push up and down those guys in the group depending on how you weight different factors.
Price has pitched well in the AL East before so I don’t know how much of a factor it is. Plus he was not hurt last year and you have to project he pitches more innings than Strausburg.
Agreed. opinions vary wildly with SPs in the top 15, so pick the one you like best.
I personally like Strausburg because I don’t think we have seen his ceiling yet and he had an amazing 2nd half. Strausburg’s possible outcomes are more volatile. He could finish as the #2 SP or #20. Price doesn’t have that upside, but unlikely to fall outside the top 12.
So for the last (4) years Ian Kennedy has had a WHIP of 1.30-1.40.
However in our 12 team 5×5 last year, the top team WHIP was 1.08, the median was 1.17, and the two lowest were 1.30 & 1.35.
At what point is Ian Kennedy’s WHIP undraftable?
Our draft is on Friday and its a conversation I’ve been having…
I don’t project WHIP directly. And although my Kennedy WHIP forecast is higher than the median you noted, it’s still much lower than his typical range. That’s due to much stronger defensive support and an improvement in HR/FB rate.
I think Kennedy is one of those guys that the projections system seem to miss on. The HR/FB should drop and the KC defense helps, but he is moving to the AL and less friendly park. It seems a 2014 result is about the best case scenario.
We’re having a points league draft on Tuesday so seeing the hype on Chen being deflated somewhat is useful. But I was thinking like the others on this post: Braves and Phillies? Give me some starters to match up against them! It seems too juicy to pass on him or other decent-but-not-great starters in that division (see: Gio Gonzalez).
That’s one reason I was unhappy that I let Conley slip through my fingers in a 16 team league—I thought I could wait one more round on him. Oh well.
Mike: do you have an opinion on Cody Anderson? I have an AL-only draft coming up. I hear his velocity is way up and coupling that with his good changeup, perhaps this is a modest breakout candidate. I understand that he’s not guaranteed a slot in the Indians rotation. But I look at Tomlin’s BABIP and strand rate from that nice late season push he gave fantasy owners in 2015 and I think: no way he can repeat that again.
I upped Anderson’s strikeout rate projection, but it was so low to begin with, it still doesn’t make him very attractive! But who knows, maybe the extra velocity will result in a huge spike, rather than a moderate spike. And yeah, he’s going to likely open the year in Triple-A. I love speculating on him as a reserve round pick, but really nothing more.
Seriously though, some of these ZiPS projections are really weird. Do you know what is up with all the BABIPs? I see Aroldis Chapman at .328…
That’s why I project players myself! ZiPS treats the luck metrics (BABIP, LOB%, HR/FB) as much more of a skill and regresses toward league average far less than Steamer. It’s why I much prefer Steamer for pitching projections than ZiPS, if I had to choose between the two. Of course, that will cause Steamer to miss on some guys that ZiPS hits on. Like, it was always too bearish on Jered Weaver and Matt Cain, whereas ZiPS methods of less regression allowed the system to hit on those outliers.
Mike, don’t you dare try to outbid me for Ian Kennedy on Saturday!