2016 Pod Projections: Xander Bogaerts
The Pod Projections are back! My projections are based on the methodology shared in my eBook Projecting X 2.0, and the process continues to evolve and improve.
Yesterday, I published my first Pod Projection of the year, and the honor was bestowed upon the Dodgers’ hyped young shortstop, Corey Seager. Several commenters asked me to clarify my feelings on Seager’s ADP in relation to Xander Bogaerts, so I figured I might as well expand upon my thoughts on the latter by giving him the full Pod Projection treatment.
Bogaerts, a former top prospect with the Red Sox, completely transformed into a new type of hitter in 2015. It’s odd because this is something you might expect from an established veteran who is compensating for deteriorating skills. Established veteran Bogaerts is not, but the finished product delivered significantly more offensive value than the 2014 version. He struck out far less, though his SwStk% only declined marginally, the respectable minor league power he had displayed in the past declined even further, he became an extreme ground ball hitter, at the expense of fly balls, he went to the opposite field with dramatically greater frequency, and his BABIP skyrocketed. Phew! Is there anything in Bogaerts’ statistical profile that didn’t change drastically?! His line drive and pop-up rates were virtually unchanged, so there’s that!
With all these changes, it makes projecting his 2016 performance that much more difficult. It’s hard enough forecasting a player with just two Major League seasons to his name, so when we cannot even determine a true baseline for his skills, we’re essentially just taking a wild guess. So here goes…
Pod Projections Index:
Corey Seager
Plate Appearances: 645
About 55% of Bogaerts’ plate appearances came from the three hole in the Red Sox lineup last year and he figures to stick there to open the season. Since he was basically an empty batting average last year and still remained the third place hitter, it’s seemingly going to take a real disappointing season to get him dropped in the order.
BB%: 6.4%
Bogaerts typically displayed pretty good patience in the minors, taking walks at a double digit rate in the Rookie League in 2010, as well as in Double-A and Triple-A in 2013. But his plate patience wore out last year, as he swung at pitches outside the zone at a higher clip and all pitches more than the league average. Because he paired that with better than average contact skills, his walk rate dropped to dangerous territory. It was already low in 2014, so the further drop is concerning. That said, I’m betting on a rebound as walk rate rises as hitters mature.
K%: 18.2%
Aside from that 2010 stint in the Rookie League, Bogaerts had never posted a strikeout rate as low as he did with the Sox in 2015. It was a huge improvement from his 2014 mark, but not supported by a corresponding improvement in SwStk%. If he becomes a bit more patient as my BB% forecast suggests, and posts a similar SwStk%, his strikeout rate is going to jump back up. However, I expect it to remain much better than his 2014 mark given his better than average ability to make contact.
GB%/LD%/FB%: 48.5% / 21% / 30.5%
This was a difficult projection. His ground ball rate spiked from 38.1% in 2014 to 52.7% in 2015. Batted ball distribution is one of the more stable skills, so it’s not often you see such a dramatic shift here. My projection is almost his career rate, but simply applying a slightly higher weight to 2015. There is opportunity for power upside that stems from the possibility of a higher fly ball rate, back to where he sat in 2014.
BABIP: .325
Since his batted ball profile has sat at opposite ends of the spectrum in 2014 and then 2015, it’s no surprise that his xBABIP has been up and down. In 2014 as a fly ball hitter who rarely went the opposite way, his xBABIP was .293, virtually identical to his actual mark of .296. In 2015, his BABIP surged to .372, but it wasn’t supported by his xBABIP. That mark did jump, but to only .329, suggesting some truly good fortune last year. Fenway Park inflates BABIP, so I’m betting that Bogaerts holds onto some of the skills that increased his xBABIP last year, but that his luck evens out.
HR/FB Ratio: 8.0%
For a supposed power hitter, Bogaerts’ power output so far has been measly. His career ISO stands at just .111 and HR/FB rate at a disappointing 6.5%. Perhaps his batted ball distance provides some optimism? Nope, it just validates the weak power display. His distance was just about 269 feet in 2014 and an even worse 266 feet in 2015. That’s bad and forces us to blindly hope he suddenly rediscovers some of the power that he left back in the minors. Unfortunately, projections aren’t built on blind hope, so there’s no projecting any kind of major breakout. However, he’s still just 23, has shown good minor league power, and so improvement is definitely what one should expect. An 8% HR/FB rate would represent a new career high, though it’s still likely below what we think he is capable of.
Runs and RBI: 72 and 76
Hitting in the third hole behind solid OBP guys is an excellent spot, but he hasn’t yet shown the home run power needed to tally the type of runs batted in total we typically expect from a third hole hitter. Even with the new career high HR/FB rate I’m projecting, 76 runs batted in is one of the lowest marks I’m projecting for hitters projected to hit in the three spot. He’s highly unlikely to repeat the high rate of runners he knocked in last year. Similarly, he’s unlikely to score as often as he did last year given the projected drop in OBP. He also scored at a much higher rate than the typical third slot hitter, especially for someone with basically average speed.
SB: 6
He more than doubled his stolen base attempts last year and never swiped more than eight bases in the minors. As noted above, he seemingly has just about average speed, so I’m projecting a bit of a drop back in his stolen bases this year.
Below is my final projected fantasy batting line, along with the other systems for comparison.
| System | PA | AB | AVG | HR | R | RBI | SB | BB% | K% | BABIP |
| Pod | 645 | 595 | 0.277 | 12 | 72 | 76 | 6 | 6.4% | 18.2% | 0.325 |
| Steamer | 638 | 584 | 0.293 | 16 | 78 | 78 | 7 | 6.5% | 16.6% | 0.333 |
| ZiPS | 651 | ? | 0.289 | 12 | 74 | 73 | 8 | 5.5% | 16.9% | 0.334 |
| Fans (43) | 675 | 615 | 0.299 | 16 | 79 | 81 | 10 | 7.3% | 15.9% | 0.338 |
Wellll, I was the bullish man for Seager, it now looks like I’m the low man on the totem pole for Bogaerts (my wOBA projection is easily the lowest of the systems). We’re all similar enough in the runs scored and runs batted in projections, as well as stolen bases. Interestingly, ZiPS and I forecast the same homers, while Steamer and Fans are together. My bearishness stems from the batted ball distance data, whereas Steamer is most certainly still looking at historical minor league performance. I am, too, of course, which led me to project a new career high HR/FB rate. But it’s tempered by the pathetic batted ball distance.
Steamer’s home run projection represents a big jump, so I’m wondering if they are also forecasting a large rebound in fly ball rate. Otherwise, it seems as if they are projecting something like a 10% to 10.5% HR/FB rate, which is double what he posted last year! Certainly it could happen, but you don’t expect it to see that as the actual projection.
I’m surprised that all systems, except me, are projecting only slight regression in his strikeout rate, especially given his history. That disconnect, plus a BABIP in the mid-.330 range, are why all the other systems project an average around .290-.300.
Perhaps I’m unreasonably pessimistic here. But let’s assume that Bogaerts does hit around .290 and goes 15-7 (HRs and SBs) with 150 runs scored + runs batted in. Does that seriously justify a pick around 55th overall?! If I change my projections to match what I just laid out, that would push him up to about 73rd overall on my LABR values. Compared to what he’s done the last two seasons, I think that projection is optimistic to begin with, so you’re hoping for even further upside from that projection just to break even! So I remain baffled by his draft hype and maintain my feeling that he’s quite overvalued.
I absolutely could be proven wrong, as any youngster could technically break out at any time and improve their skills in a hurry. But you can’t pay for what could possibly be at a draft, as that’s simply not a winning strategy.
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Am I crazy or do you agree with my forecast? What do you project for Xander Bogaerts in 2016?
Mike Podhorzer is the founder of ProjectingX IQ, an advanced fantasy baseball analytics platform that transforms projection data and in-season performance signals into actionable intelligence. He is the 2015 Fantasy Sports Writers Association Baseball Writer of the Year and three-time Tout Wars champion. He is the author of the eBook Projecting X 2.0: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance, which teaches you how to project players yourself. Follow Mike on X@MikePodhorzer and contact him via email.
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“But let’s assume that Bogaerts does hit around .290 and goes 15-7 (HRs and SBs) with 150 runs scored + runs batted in. Does that seriously justify a pick around 55th overall?!”
I would say with the state of short-stops this year, yes that does warrant the 55th pick. FWIW, NFBC has him going 59th on average.
To me it seems like so many things could balance out for him to have similar R/RBI to last year. I get that his almost .400 BABIP with RISP is not overly repeatable. But he will have his opportunities with the cast in front of him.
Also a Redsox-Fan and Bogaerts follower since his days in single A, therefore I only write what I wonder about in your projection:
You write that you expect him to stay in the 3-hole. That considered, I can’t imagine him ending with the run/RBI-totals not only you but the other projections are giving him. The hitters surrounding him (Betts! Papi! Pedroia!) seem to good to see him slip in those categories. That could entirely change if he moves down in the order of course.
It would really be interesting what Run/RBI-totals he had from the time on he hit in the 3-hole last year. Remembering last season, he only improved while hitting in those pressure-position.
are betts, pedroia, and ortiz a better than average trio of top of the order hitters?
I have tried to talk myself in Xander in 2016 multiple times this offseason, but cannot seem to pull it off. Given what he has shown thus far, I cannot reasonably expect a .290 AVG with 15 HR. He has shown he can hit 15-ish HR, but with a .250 AVG. He has shown that he can hit .320, but with 7 HR. In both cases, he got to those results in vastly different ways. He has not shown that he can do both at once. Given the information we have, I just do not see how one could pay for the best case scenario of him blending both.
Note: I understand the whole, he is just 23 years old argument, but I never really buy that unless there is a clear trend of consistent growth in one direction.
I agree with you in that he is overvalued. It might have to do with the state of the SS position more than the individual player. If Bogaerts breaks out, it will be a major advantage to have that kind of production at SS. Looking at the bottom tier of SS, owners may prefer to reach a bit to secure the position and try to unearth a gem in a deeper position.
Is it me or does it seem players at scarce positions seem to have more than their fair share of being over hyped?
I figure this is the case as well as the shortstop position really stinks this year after the top couple of guys.
How do you recommend drafting a SS if the draft goes according to current ADP?
When I did my analysis for LABR, no one stood out as undervalued. So either pay value for a top guy or just hope someone falls. Remember if owners are overpaying for a shortstop, then someone else by definition is going to be undervalued. Zig when they zag.
Thanks.
Okay, you answered! Thanks, Mr. Pod! Now, quick question then. Deciding on my last two keepers between Freeman, Xander, Cano, Addison. Leaning now toward Freeman and Cano. Agreements?
Need more context like keeper rules, league format, etc
Alright, forever keeper, 6 by 6 with ops for hitters, no penalties for keepers
Well in that case, Xander is your clear cut top option out of that group! I’m tempted to also say Russell, but you also want to try winning this year of course and both Freeman and Cano should earn significantly more value. I’d prob go with Cano over Freeman and Russell. If trading is an option, I’d try selling Russell to a prospect lover.
He’s 23 still, best is yet to come. I could see some of those 35 doubles turning into Home Runs as he develops his power and learns to stop driving the ball into the ground. Correa had a similar problem and look where his adjustments took him. Though he obviously doesn’t have CC’s power I don’t think a 17-20 HR campaign is out of the question.
My projection is a bit more optimistic : .304/16 hr/82 runs/86 rbi/7 sb/ 40 doubles
Though 57th overall is pretty high, I’d probably place him in the 70 – 80 area (6th round)
Xander Bogaerts is the perfect example of how limited stat projections can be at times. He has elite pedigree, very young age, and has shown a penchant for rapid and major adjustments, which means he could be significantly better next year. At the same time, despite his being a plate discipline hitter in the minors and during his playoff stink in 2013, Bogaerts had that skill disappear literally overnight in midseason 2014 to start a three-month slump, meaning that, at this point, he is susceptible to mental failings. Add that to what people think was an unsustainable BABIP last season, and a profile that for the time being is a bit empty categories-wise, and the Bogaerts downside is very real too.
Which is to say, what good is any kind of projection when the range around it is huge? Better to judge him based on how you weigh the talent and your feel for how likely he is to continue to build on 2015 or take a step back from it.
Projections give a baseline for comparison. Then you can move him up or down depending on what you think of the player.
How is saying to yourself, “I think that guy is fairly good” going to help you in a fantasy draft? That’s why projections exist.
See Manny Machado or Bryce Harper 2014 to 2015. With the elite of the elite, top 5 prospect types, I believe odds of a major breakout justify ADP ~60
Weak comparison. These guys didn’t post extremely low batted ball distances like Bogaerts has. Just because all 3 are young and were top prospects doesn’t mean they are comparable and Bogaerts will enjoy the same growth path.
I agree, the hype on Xander is just too much, considering these high ADP’s for short stops what do you think about Ketel Marte as a late round option? I know he has a ceiling but could he be a good sleeper option?
Depends on where he goes. He went wayyyy too early in LABR. He’s going to hit at the bottom of the lineup, so he’s essentially a 1-category contributor. Basically a 15-team mixed and deeper option, I wouldn’t want him in a 12-team mixed or shallower.
Dude, I love these young SS, but with Jhonny Peralta slotted to bat 4th for the cards (roster resource) and ranked in the 15th round or something, isn’t that where I should focus? Or is his age getting into scary territory?
I don’t think he’s any sort of value going there. He won’t contribute in runs or steals, and he’s barely a positive in RBI and average. His homer total is respectable, but it’s not high enough to offset the blah rest of his stats. And yeah, he’s 33, so I think he’s properly going late.
deciding between schoop, reddick, Castro, and maybe even ryan zimmerman for my last keeper spot. R, HR, RBI, BB, SB, OBP. Schoop and Castro are my only two MI, not sure what I’ll be able to get to replace them in a shortened draft. But with CarGo on my team, I know Reddick will be useful once he goes down. Zimmerman is low man on the totem poll right now, only 1B eligible kinda kills him for me
“I believe all my assumptions are correct and therefore disregard any additional evidence. Overfitted models that have shown little predictive value are the best basis for predicting future performance.” – Every Mike Podhorzer Piece
Huh? What assumptions and models did I use here?
Thank you for this breath of fresh sanity, Mike.
It takes a suspension of all fangraphs has taught us about numbers to see anything but a dramatic fall off for Xander next year.
X has had only about 1200 ab…..can you see any major growth from year one to year two? I do most certainly. Not the least of only striking out 16%. Experience is the best teacher, and this kid has learned without any doubt in my mind. Not to mention all that goes together with maturing as a team member. I am not stuck on his stats.
I have seen kids like this get stronger and better. I think the chances he will be better overall this year, are better than the chances that he will be worse.
At twenty…between AA and AAA his hit 15 home runs in about 500 ab’s. I am betting his is stronger now.
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Great stuff, Mike, really like this series. Am surprised you havent found the right league yet, mine is still awaiting you! haha I know you arent ready to come to the Bay Area for this…..at least yet. Carter
Been to SF twice and would love to return! If you pay for my travel and lodging, I’m in! 🙂