What To Do With the Other Two Aces: Bumgarner & Syndergard?
The great, powerful, and unbelievably handsome Justin of Friends With Fantasy Benefits (and of course, RotoGraphs) is hosting four early mock drafts. I am participating in one of them.
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— Justin Mason (@JustinMasonFWFB) September 21, 2017
In each draft, the following four pitchers went first without exception.
Name | Draft 1 | Draft 2 | Draft 4 | Average |
---|---|---|---|---|
Kershaw | 11 | 4 | 8 | 8 |
Scherzer | 12 | 12 | 14 | 13 |
Sale | 13 | 15 | 19 | 16 |
Kluber | 15 | 27 | 15 | 19 |
Last season in NFBC drafts, these four were included with the first six pitchers drafted on average. While Kershaw and Scherzer were 1st and 2nd in each draft, Madison Bumgarner and Noah Syndergaard were taken, on average, before Chris Sale and Corey Kluber. Both Bumgarner (bruised ribs, strained shoulder) and Syndergaard (torn lat muscle) missed most of the 2017 season. Because of their current injuries and unknown future health, their ADP has fallen in these four mocks.
Name | Draft 1 | Draft 2 | Draft 4 | Average |
---|---|---|---|---|
Bumgarner | 31 | 38 | 24 | 31 |
Syndergaard | 36 | 33 | 37 | 35 |
The trepidation about owning them is understandable but owners still need to value the pair. It’s not going to be easy.
Bumgarner projection should be easier of the pair to figure out with 13 games under his belt after returning from his motorcycle accident. Overall, his season-long numbers are the worst in years with his strikeouts at a 7-year low and home runs at an eight-year high. His season has been a tale of two halves.
Stat | Before DL | After DL |
---|---|---|
ERA | 3.00 | 3.43 |
xFIP | 2.60 | 4.38 |
K/9 | 9.3 | 7.8 |
FB Velo | 92.1 | 90.6 |
SwStr% | 11.1% | 10.0% |
BB/9 | 1.3 | 1.7 |
HR/9 | 0.7 | 1.6 |
With his velocity down, his strikeouts are down and his home runs are up as expected.
Now for the good news, his velocity has ticked up slowly and averaged 91.8 mph in his last start.
As his velocity as has increased so has his swinging strikes. If he can keep up the velocity during spring training (pitch tracking available in Arizona for Giant pitchers), I expect him to be fine.
Projections won’t incorporate this improvement into their projections. Additionally, he’ll have his projection regressed more to the league average since he didn’t pitch a full season.
Owners are going to need to give his 2018 projections a manual bump up. I think I may use values close to his 2017 projections.
Stat | Steamer | ATC | ZiPS | Average |
---|---|---|---|---|
ERA | 3.20 | 2.96 | 2.81 | 2.99 |
K/9 | 9.41 | 9.65 | 9.65 | 9.57 |
WHIP | 1.12 | 1.06 | 1.05 | 1.08 |
Besides the stats, an injury for a pitcher usually means another injury down the road. I asked my Twitter followers how many 2018 starts they expected.
How many starts should fantasy owners expect from Madison Bumgarner in 2018?
— Jeff Zimmerman (@jeffwzimmerman) September 26, 2017
Over 75% expect 27 or more. My guess was 30, so there is a consensus that he will be back and throwing most of the time. Owners who estimate his games started on the low end should just not expect to own him.
It’ll be tough for owners to correctly value Syndergaard next year. Owners will have two innings of post-injury production to formulate their offseason projections.
Here’s what we know. In his one inning of work, he averaged 98.8 mph on his fastball with his season average at 98.2 mph. For at least this single inning his velocity was back. I’m not going to predict the small improvement sticks because most pitchers can ramp up the velocity for one inning.
He did drop his release point some but previously he’s effectively thrown from a lower release point.
Besides the extra inning of work he’ll get this weekend, that’s all the info owners will have on his production until spring training.
Like Bumgarner, Syndergaard’s projections will get regressed down more toward the league average because of the time missed. Potential owners may want to bump up his projections.
The biggest key will be going in with a good playing time estimate. Again, I asked my Twitter followers for what they expected and their answers were lower.
How many starts should fantasy owners expect from Noah Syndergaard in 2018?
— Jeff Zimmerman (@jeffwzimmerman) September 26, 2017
I’d eyeball the crowd’s estimate to about 23 starts. My gut would go a few more to the 26 to 28 range.
I decided to take the analysis one step further and find pitchers with torn lats and see how many starts they made the next season.
Using my injury database to find pitchers with a torn lat muscle like Noah Syndergaard had. The only other comp was the Mets Steven Matz pic.twitter.com/BsWEVt5Pky
— Jeff Zimmerman (@jeffwzimmerman) September 27, 2017
The Mets pitching/training staff strikes again.
I decided to extend the study out to include any pitcher with a lat issue and here’s the list.
Name | GS | IP | DL Season | DL Days | Lat Injury |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Steven Matz | 22 | 132 | 2015 | 57 | Partial tear |
Stephen Strasburg | 34 | 215 | 2013 | 15 | Strain |
Aaron Sanchez | 30 | 192 | 2015 | 49 | Strain |
James Paxton | 13 | 67 | 2014 | 115 | Strain |
Hisashi Iwakuma | 33 | 199 | 2015 | 76 | Strain |
Gerrit Cole | 32 | 208 | 2014 | 46 | Sore |
Matt Garza | 27 | 163 | 2013 | 102 | Strain |
Matt Garza | 22 | 113 | 2016 | 72 | Strain |
Jordan Zimmermann | 28 | 154 | 2016 | 32 | Tight |
Ryan Dempster | 29 | 171 | 2012 | 44 | Tight |
Brad Penny | 31 | 181 | 2010 | 134 | Strain |
Julio Teheran | 31 | 182 | 2016 | 17 | Strain |
Johnny Cueto | 34 | 243 | 2013 | 115 | Strain |
Dillon Gee | 7 | 39 | 2014 | 59 | Strain |
Eric Stults | 33 | 203 | 2012 | 96 | Strain |
Andrew Cashner | 26 | 175 | 2012 | 54 | Strain |
Doug Fister | 15 | 103 | 2014 | 39 | Strain |
Average | 26 | 161 | 66 | ||
Median | 29 | 175 | 57 |
The strain numbers make the future look better but it was torn. I’m going to revise my anticipated starts down to the crowd estimates.
With the anticipated fewer starts, his value will fluctuate depending on the league depth. In shallow leagues where the replacement level pitcher is better, he’ll have more value. In NL-only leagues where he’s going to be replaced with a middle reliever, his value drops significantly. His health could make or break a team.
Jeff, one of the authors of the fantasy baseball guide,The Process, writes for RotoGraphs, The Hardball Times, Rotowire, Baseball America, and BaseballHQ. He has been nominated for two SABR Analytics Research Award for Contemporary Analysis and won it in 2013 in tandem with Bill Petti. He has won four FSWA Awards including on for his Mining the News series. He's won Tout Wars three times, LABR twice, and got his first NFBC Main Event win in 2021. Follow him on Twitter @jeffwzimmerman.
I am not a medical professional, but is not a strain a tear? So the difference in terminology could be a matter of degree, or simply what word the team doctor (or FO guy writing the press release) wanted to use.