What If Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Fails?
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is the best baseball prospect in the world. He’s better than most recent #1 overall prospects. He’s the best offensive prospect since at least Kris Bryant (ROY + MVP), and many would say you’d have to go back much further to Miggy or even Pujols to get a true comparison. For some scouts he possesses the seemingly impossible combination of both an 80 grade hit tool and an 80 grade power profile. His batter’s box skills have HOF lineage and yet somehow he has done nothing but exceed expectations (batting .402 in AA at age 19 helps). He already has the look and potential of an all-time great. Best of all, Vlad, Jr. will debut in 2019.
In fantasy, the hype surrounding Vlad, Jr. is even greater than the anticipated build up for Shohei Ohtani one year ago. In redraft leagues, Vlad, Jr. is being selected above household MLB stars in their prime. In a recent first year auction draft, the Blue Jays wunderkind went for $35. Trading away the Toronto slugger is almost unthinkable in dynasty and keeper leagues, but those bold enough to do so can essentially name their price. As a Vlad, Jr. owner last spring, I put out the APB in one very competitive Ottoneu league and told owners I would move him only if someone guaranteed me a title victory. The opening bid essentially required a league-changing, lopsided exchange of MLB talent. I moved the phenom (with other prospects) for a package that included Jacob deGrom, Freddie Freeman, George Springer, and Craig Kimbrel. I accomplished my goal (league title), but admit a sense of guilt that will only grow as I await his debut in another owner’s lineup this season.
But we’re not just talking hype with Vlad, Jr. The superstar-to-be turns just 20 years old on March 16th and Steamer already projects him to be the 13th best MLB hitter this season by wOBA (.374). In fact, Steamer projects just four MLB hitters to hit .300 or better in 2019, a list that not only includes Vlad, Jr. (.306 AVG), but also stations him at the very top, above MVP’s Jose Altuve, Mookie Betts, and then Daniel Murphy. He’s one of 21 players to be projected for an OBP of .370 or higher, and one of only 23 hitters projected to slug .500 or better. His projected .879 OPS is significantly higher than his father’s rookie debut (.833). His 10 year projections look silly. This is all just a long way of saying Vladdy, Jr. can do it all.
Perhaps the most amazing thing about this special prospect is that we all expect greatness to come immediately. Vlad, Jr. feels like an IPO without risk. Unlike every other rookie in the world, it appears failure isn’t an option here. The floor is too high, the skills are too sharp, and the situation too perfect to expect anything but instant prospect gratification.
But what if Vladimir Guerrero Jr. fails?
Because it’s what he does, I’ve helped Vlad, Jr’s further exceed expectations by pushing his 2019 Steamer projection (.306/.368/.511/.879 and .374 wOBA over 124 games) into that near perfectly balanced rotisserie mark of .300/.400/.500. It wasn’t hard (only had to add ~20 BB’s), and his new line translates into a .385 wOBA. The goal was to determine where this elite skill ranks in the context of fantasy play for 2019 (age 20). The chart below shows how many MLB hitters (minimum 500 PA) met or exceeded these elite standards over the past ten seasons, with the last column an indicator used in many Ottoneu leagues for individual offensive production.
| YEAR | .300/.400/.500 | .385 wOBA | 6.7 P/G |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2009 | 4 | 16 | 16 |
| 2010 | 5 | 16 | 10 |
| 2011 | 5 | 16 | 13 |
| 2012 | 3 | 12 | 11 |
| 2013 | 4 | 13 | 10 |
| 2014 | 2 | 9 | 8 |
| 2015 | 4 | 10 | 10 |
| 2016 | 3 | 13 | 17 |
| 2017 | 7 | 19 | 20 |
| 2018 | 4 | 9 | 12 |
A few takeaways:
- With the exception of 2017 (7), a .300/.400/.500 line is a top five, elite player in roto formats (ignoring speed). While this is probably obvious, this puts Vlad, Jr. almost immediately among the very best hitters in the game, so the hype seems more than justified. There just aren’t many hitters (ever) that have the skill set to hit for a high average, get on base, and hit with power at the level Vlad, Jr. is expected to do so.
- In OBP and OPS leagues where wOBA can be a shortcut, Vlad also shows up as a top notch player, but top 15-20 is probably a more realistic expectation for 2019. While this is still almost unprecedented as a young 2o year old, it helps to establish a more grounded expectation for what we could potentially see in a breakout rookie season.
- In some Ottoneu leagues, where “Points per Game” can be an effective historical proxy across offensive seasons, Vlad, Jr. also shows up as near elite, a borderline top 12 starting player. For quick comparison, this looks a little like Freddie Freeman last season (.309/..388/.509, or 6.6 P/G). He looks every bit the dynasty-making building block most teams covet.
While some of this is wish-casting, few prospect hitters have ever combined less risk with more hype than Vladimir Guerrero Jr. That said, baseball is hard, and we’re reminded of that fact almost every prospect season.
The only thing Vladdy, Jr. could fail this year is our expectation of Vladdy, Jr., which seems unfair (Mike covered these here). I grew up watching his father and there was a sense of awe and joy watching him swing at a baseball. If the two are anything alike, the son will undoubtedly become one of the most watched at bats in MLB by the summer. Just remember to go easy on him if for some reason we happen to all have a front row seat to the first occasional struggles of his career. Expect him to be all smiles throughout.
#VladJr is going to be an electric factory. pic.twitter.com/5rzARrwDgj
— MLB (@MLB) January 29, 2019
What are your expectations?
Trey is a 20+ year fantasy veteran and an early adopter of Ottoneu fantasy sports. He currently administers the Ottoneu community, a network of ~1,200 fantasy baseball and football fans talking sports daily. More resources here: http://community.ottoneu.com


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I just can’t pay that price for a guy who has never played a MLB game. Seems like taking an unnecessary risk that early
Here’s my concern with Vlad Jr.: he’s 19 years old and he already looks like he’s at least 40 pounds overweight. There have been hitters who’ve been able to produce good numbers while being pudgy — late career Tony Gwynn springs to mind — but if he’s already that overweight at 19, what’s he going to look like when he’s 25? Can somebody really be a truly great MLB hitter if they’re 6’1″ and over 300 pounds? I see a lot of knee injuries in his future, and maybe a Prince Fielder-like career trajectory, leading to an early retirement around age 30.
I also continue to wonder what would be the cause if vlad did fail and the body seems to be the most likely cause to me, too. It doesn’t exactly seem non-reminiscent of another one-time number one prospect who failed: Delmon Young. But then Vlad’s minor league numbers blow Delmon’s away and I haven’t heard anything suggest he has, er, makeup concerns like Delmon. So then I get to the point like you where I’m like “he’ll probably just kick ass and maybe have a rough aging curve way down the line”
I agree and I think this just further supports the Pujols and Cabrera comps beyond the stats. Start out at 3B, get forced to 1B/DH, physical breakdown through the mid-30s.
I don’t see the Pujols comp; his body just broke down; it wasn’t size. The Miggy comp. seems so perfect that it seems too perfect. Then again, I see a mini-Trout in Acuna, so I may just get over-excited.
HIs player page says 6’1″ and 200 lbs. Sounds fit to me 🙂
In the Blue Jay’s prospect report they said he is “clearly” bigger than 245lb Peter Alonso.
Agree.
Father:
Son: https://bit.ly/2S69hpk
Hes 19 and already as fat as cecil fielder
I don’t know. What do you, the author of a post titled “What If Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Fails?” think will happen if he fails? I don’t think you told us in the post above.
Only thing apparent is the author owned the prospect in a keeper league, and traded him last year.
Yeah. It was an interesting enough article, but doesn’t really address its own headline/premise.
If Vladito fails then all the joy will go out of the world!
As a long suffering Canadian baseball fan, I’m just excited to watch
Super dumb question here, but I thought he was kept down all year in 2018 to accrue another year of service time (like, the real reason). So doesn’t he still have to stay down at the beginning of the season for the Jays to get that?
Correct, he does have to stay down for a few weeks. I think some time between the middle and end of April is when he will be up for good.
Wow, drafting a player who loses a few weeks and won’t even start the year in the majors seems crazy. And, of course, what the Jays did last year was so insane I guess it’s not impossible to think they wouldn’t do it again–especially if he starts off slow or something.
And he could get hurt making a safe call after legging out an infield single (okay, not likely), but he then could be the third best hitter in baseball in the second half. It is tough to figure out what the kids could do–high risk, high reward. In re-draft leagues, I would probably pass—for the price you can get something much safer and the upside isn’t terribly high at those prices (even if he’s great, he’s not gonna get steals–the best case is more or less Arrenado, I would think).
I thought the analysis might have gone in the direction of looking for collapse rate among players who have been projected for similar seasons in the past and/or prospects who projected particularly well.
It’s pretty insane how high the expectations are for Vlad Jr….but count me among them, just not in drafts.
Yes, and this was really the point of the article. There are so few prospects with this type of ceiling that also come with so little risk. Because of that, the only real way Vlad, Jr. may fail is by not living up to our immense expectations. Which may all be unrealistic. He’ll be fun to watch no matter what, though.
You can reasonably expect him to miss 100 at bats early in the season .That to me is the biggest issue, not his projection. Simply put no one has ever hit the ball that well, ever
All rookies and prospects are indeed fun to watch, but he’s probably the most exciting guy since Darryl Strawberry or (maybe) Acuna Jr.
A lot of people are jumping on him early in drafts, but how do we really know that Toronto will call up Vlad Jr in April? Seems like the team could just as easily keep him down in AAA until June. That uncertainty alone makes him far too risky for an early round pick in redraft leagues.
And to that point: https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/02/14/blue-jays-announce-plans-to-manipulate-vlad-guerrero-jr-s-service-time/