Way Too Early Rankings: Starting Pitcher
With the calendar turned to December, the “Way Too” portion of the title feels incorrect. Still, we have a series to finish so let’s get down to business. This is the seventh of eight volumes in the Way Too Early Rankings collection. Pre-Order the complete edition now – it makes a great stocking stuffer! You can find outfielders and links to the rest by following a link.
As a reminder, these rankings represent my first reactions rather than a truly rigorous approach. I’ve used an absolutely objective technique called mental math to compile the lists. I’m assuming a standard 5×5 format.
The purpose of this exercise is two-fold: to get an early start on 2017 rankings and to crowdsource missing or misranked players. That’s where you come in. Let your thoughts and feelings be known in the comments. As we’ve done in previous editions, we’ll break this into digestible chunks.
Starting pitcher is the deepest and most difficult position to rank. I’ll be focusing written analysis on the players who most interest me. There’s a very high likelihood some players have slipped through the cracks. I think we’ll have a lot to talk about in the comments.
| Player | Rank |
|---|---|
| Clayton Kershaw | 1 |
| Max Scherzer | 2 |
| Chris Sale | 3 |
| Noah Syndergaard | 4 |
| Yu Darvish | 5 |
| Madison Bumgarner | 6 |
| Stephen Strasburg | 7 |
| Corey Kluber | 8 |
| Jake Arrieta | 9 |
| Justin Verlander | 10 |
| Carlos Carrasco | 11 |
| Aaron Sanchez | 12 |
| Johnny Cueto | 13 |
| Jon Lester | 14 |
| David Price | 15 |
| Chris Archer | 16 |
| Kyle Hendricks | 17 |
| Masahiro Tanaka | 18 |
| Jacob deGrom | 19 |
| Jose Quintana | 20 |
| Felix Hernandez | 21 |
| Gerrit Cole | 22 |
| Rich Hill | 23 |
| Carlos Martinez | 24 |
| Cole Hamels | 25 |
Let’s focus on the potentially divisive choices. Darvish has a very real home run problem, but he also strikes out everybody. While most of the top 25 starters have at least a chance to post a sub-3.00 ERA, Darvish has a steeply uphill battle due to the homers. I’ll still take the strikeouts over the alternatives.
I’m assuming Strasburg is/will be healthy based on what I’ve heard. If he’s not, he’s much lower on the list. Similarly, Tanaka, deGrom, Hernandez, and Cole are health risks I’m mostly overlooking for the moment.
Like Carlos Santana finally playing the way he was supposed to in 2016, Carrasco is going to pitch to his potential one of these season. Or maybe he’s missed his opportunity. The breaking stuff is incredible.
I suspect I’ll catch some flak for my Hill pick – in both directions. He doesn’t pass the Ace smell test for many fantasy owners, yet he was also the 14th most valuable pitcher last season while throwing only 110 innings.
| Player | Rank |
|---|---|
| Rick Porcello | 26 |
| Zack Greinke | 27 |
| Michael Fulmer | 28 |
| Marcus Stroman | 29 |
| Kenta Maeda | 30 |
| Jon Gray | 31 |
| Danny Salazar | 32 |
| Lance McCullers | 33 |
| Julio Urias | 34 |
| Matt Harvey | 35 |
| J.A. Happ | 36 |
| Julio Teheran | 37 |
| James Paxton | 38 |
| Aaron Nola | 39 |
| Matt Shoemaker | 40 |
| Robbie Ray | 41 |
| John Lackey | 42 |
| Jeremy Hellickson | 43 |
| Dallas Keuchel | 44 |
| Tanner Roark | 45 |
| Kevin Gausman | 46 |
| Adam Wainwright | 47 |
| Drew Pomeranz | 48 |
| Jeff Samardzija | 49 |
| Steven Matz | 50 |
I suspect a future revision might push Porcello to the 15-20 cohort. My justification for placing him 26th relates to his high win total. It accounted for half of his value above average in 2016. A little regression in the wrong places could push him back down into the league average category.
You’ll notice this collection is all over the map. Some of these pitchers will be 2017 heroes. Others will ruin seasons. It’s uncommon to see a Rockies pitcher this high on the list, yet Gray did enough last year to justify a bullish outlook. I’m also hopeful we’ll see big things from Urias, Paxton, and Ray. There’s an awful lot of downside in that trio which prevents them from being ranked higher.
Rebound candidates include McCullers, Harvey, Nola, Keuchel, Wainwright, and Samardzija. Boring high-floor vets include Happ, Teheran, Shoemaker, and Lackey.
| Player | Rank |
|---|---|
| Marco Estrada | 51 |
| Sean Manaea | 52 |
| Jameson Taillon | 53 |
| Jason Hammel | 54 |
| Alex Reyes | 55 |
| Garrett Richards | 56 |
| Carlos Rodon | 57 |
| Taijuan Walker | 58 |
| Joe Musgrove | 59 |
| Raisel Iglesias | 60 |
| Luke Weaver | 61 |
| Francisco Liriano | 62 |
| David Phelps | 63 |
| Brandon McCarthy | 64 |
| Sonny Gray | 65 |
| Alex Cobb | 66 |
| Jerad Eickhoff | 67 |
| Steven Wright | 68 |
| Mike Leake | 69 |
| Junior Guerra | 70 |
| Hisashi Iwakuma | 71 |
| Tyler Anderson | 72 |
| Danny Duffy | 73 |
| Vince Velasquez | 74 |
| Lance Lynn | 75 |
In many ways, this group is much more exciting than the 26-50 crowd. We have some impressive young pitchers, most notably Taillon, Reyes, Rodon, Weaver, and Velasquez. Other quality hurlers like Manaea, Musgrove, Eickhoff, and Anderson might get overlooked.
My inclusion of Iglesias obviously depends on him starting. He’s been talked about as a closing option for the Reds. They’ve yet to announce which way they plan to deploy him. As a rebuilding team, there’s no pressure on them to decide before the season.
Regression is likely to take a big bite out of Estrada, Phelps, Wright, and Duffy. The latter pair felt the sting late in 2016. Estrada is the most likely to see no ill effects, hence his much higher ranking. The Marlins hope to use Phelps as an Andrew Miller-style reliever.
Richards, Liriano, McCarthy, Gray, Cobb, and Lynn are wild cards. All but Liriano missed most of 2016 with injuries. As for Liriano, he morphed into a top 30 pitcher once he was reunited with Russell Martin. Who knows if that was signal or noise?
| Player | Rank |
|---|---|
| Ivan Nova | 76 |
| Anthony DeSclafani | 77 |
| Drew Smyly | 78 |
| Jake Odorizzi | 79 |
| Archie Bradley | 80 |
| Blake Snell | 81 |
| Yordano Ventura | 82 |
| Jordan Zimmermann | 83 |
| Mike Montgomery | 84 |
| Jharel Cotton | 85 |
| Trevor Bauer | 86 |
| Matt Moore | 87 |
| Joe Ross | 88 |
| Michael Pineda | 89 |
| Michael Wacha | 90 |
| Eduardo Rodriguez | 91 |
| Dan Straily | 92 |
| Jimmy Nelson | 93 |
| Shelby Miller | 94 |
| Bartolo Colon | 95 |
| Rubby de la Rosa | 96 |
| Patrick Corbin | 97 |
| Nick Tropeano | 98 |
| Robert Gsellman | 99 |
| Luis Severino | 100 |
| Tyler Skaggs | 101 |
| Seth Lugo | 102 |
| Daniel Norris | 103 |
| Ervin Santana | 104 |
| Collin McHugh | 105 |
| Gio Gonzalez | 106 |
| Zach Davies | 107 |
| Ian Kennedy | 108 |
| Jaime Garcia | 109 |
| Josh Tomlin | 110 |
| Chad Kuhl | 111 |
| Wei-Yin Chen | 112 |
| Alex Wood | 113 |
| Clay Buchholz | 114 |
| Homer Bailey | 115 |
| Brandon Finnegan | 116 |
| Dylan Bundy | 117 |
| Chad Bettis | 118 |
| Ariel Miranda | 119 |
| Chris Tillman | 120 |
| Tyson Ross | 121 |
| Christopher Devenski | 122 |
That’s a lot of names including several where I really deviate from the consensus. A few are simply misranked, and I’ll make those adjustments as I internalize more information about them.
I anticipate a mob with pitchforks over my placement of Pineda. He had a 3.30 xFIP and a 3.40 xFIP because he throws a fantastic slider and doesn’t walk hitters. The problem is that he’s a reliever. His cutter – the only fastball he throws – is terrible. Beyond terrible. Maybe it plays up in the pen. He could probably benefit from throwing fewer strikes, but what he really needs is a major league viable fastball. I doubt he’ll find it as a starter.
People really like Odorizzi. I used to be one of them. Maybe there’s another breakout in there, but I see him as a high floor, low ceiling core piece. There’s no point drafting those ahead of players with gamebreaking upside.
Some of my favorites from this section include Montgomery, Cotton, and Gsellman. The Cubs seem committed to starting Montgomery – enough so that they freed Hammel. Cotton is one of those guys scouts always poopoo even though he performs well at every level. That now includes a stop in the majors, making it harder to overlook his potential. Gsellman would be a top 75 arm if he wasn’t the sixth or seventh pitcher in the Mets rotation.
In no particular order, here are more guys who pitch baseballs. Foltynewicz is supposed to rank 80th. I’ve already done way too much work to go back and fix everything.
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Ignoring Zack Wheeler until he actually makes it back this year? Thought his K upside might be more intriguing then some of the others in the 100+ range.
Slipped through the cracks. Should be somewhere in the 100-120 range.
I have several pitching keeper options in a 5×5, 10 team league that are ranked next to each other in your list:
Cueto $23
Lester $21
Hendricks $2
Paxton $2
Nola $2
Reyes $3
Probably going to keep 5. Who seems like the odd man out – Reyes, or would you bet on upside and drop one of the aces?
Since the league’s shallow, I’d stick with the more established arms. I might cut Nola loose since he was injured last year. They’re basically all within a couple dollars of cost aside from Hendricks, so any combination is defensible.
Glasnow? Assuming the Pirates dont add more than 3 SP, hes a lock for the rotation since super 2 isnt an issue
Super 2 isn’t a problem, but his actual ability is. I talked about him on twitter yesterday. I think the Pirates are smart enough to let him keep developing in Triple-A where he won’t have to deal with the stress of multiple high pressure 20+ pitch innings per start.
How can Sanchez possibly be above Archer, Price, Lester, and Cueto? Especially Cueto. Maybe you think Sanchez can keep up the low ERA. But he’s a groundball guy, which gives you no extra credit in fantasy, whereas strikeouts and WHIP do.
I consider a secondary breakout is so likely based on the overall profile that my projection is much more bullish than Steamer et al. The adjustments he has to make to get to 8.50 K/9 are so small, obvious, and costless that it would be borderline unthinkable for him not to make them.
I agree with Wilmerrr. If Sanchez makes the adjustments you’re assuming, that puts him at the same level as Archer, Price, Lester, Cueto, not better. Seems like the kind of guy to hedge at 20ish. Acknowledges that he could repeat and rank 30, or breakout and rank 10.
I expect Sanchez to be one of the more polarising SPs going into next season. I think the best argument against him is his injury risk due to the increase in innings from 2015 to 2016. His WHIP is fine but should get better as his control gets better. I also think his K/9 has room to improve.
Wow, Sporer has Duffy as #17, you have him as…..#73!!!
Would like you to explain why you ranked him so low. Other publications have him as a possible ace this year.
I may have under acknowledged his strikeout gains. Perhaps he should be up in the 40-50 range. I’ll have to re-diagnose how far I think he’ll regress.
Where did you see Paul ranking him #17? I have Duffy in a keeper league trying to decide what to do with him.
Glad to see you did rank Folty in the top 80 after all. IMO he’s a top 70 starter or better with his improved slider the second half of the season and the nice whiff rates on his changeup and curveball.
One development that IMO helps Foltnewicz (and other Atlanta pitchers like Teheran) is that Dave Wallace and Dom Chiti have moved from the Baltimore organization to Atlanta. Just about every Orioles starter and reliever (most notably Zach Britton)credits the improvements they’ve made to these two guys, helping to undo the damage that Rick Peterson did to the development of pitchers (thank god he’s gone).
I don’t play in a typical 5×5 league where wins (QS instead) mean a lot so that’s why I’m bullish on him. I have him as a keeper in my NL-only league at only $10 and I suspect I’ll get a good return for that investment.
Great starting point on a list, Brad. Always good to get the conversation going.
I do not share your optimism with Felix Hernandez (you have him at #21). What do you see that suggests a big bounceback season?
Honestly, I’ve done zero analysis on Felix. That’s purely a Steamer/pitchability pick. I’ll get a closer look sooner or later.
Why doesn’t Kyle Hendricks ever get more hype/respect?
I’ve always been a big Hendricks fan. I thought I was pretty generous here.
I don’t own Darvish in any leagues, so I don’t really have any bias about him, but he doesn’t really have a homer problem at all. His career rate is 0.88, marginally higher than Verlander and Kluber. I do own Kluber and Verlander and would happily trade either guy straight up for Darvish if I weren’t worried about his health (and even then, maybe).
Also remember that with the Homer rate spiking over the last couple years, a 1.00 HR/9 rate is actually pretty decent now.
Poor Bartolo, all he does is give give and give some more….
At some point 40-somethings break. I’ll keep taking the $1 flier if I need a high floor guy, but I’ll usually be targeting upside.
Tanner Roark stays the most underrated pitcher in baseball
Roark might be the toughest pitcher in baseball to rank.
What are your thoughts on Rodon?
interesting in a Walker/Pineda sort of way. He’s an elite reliever who has the durability and just enough stuff to squeak through as a starter. He needs a new pitch if he’s going to break out.
How about Jose De Leon?
Not sure I see where the reps would come from.
I think overall this is a great ranking. My top 10 would be:
1) Kershaw
2) Scherzer
3) Bumgarner
4) Syndergaard
5) Sale
6) Kluber
7) Darvish
8) Strasburg
9) Arrieta
10) Carrasco
After Sale at 5, I find it pretty hard to rank the next 5.
Is Shoemaker a sleeper? The guy seems to have made lasting adjustments.
For him, it’s all about the feel for his splitter. That can come and go, adding risk. While it’s true that feel affects many pitcher’s ability, the splitter is particularly prone to come and go.
Raisel Iglesias and David Phelps will be in the bullpen according to early word. Iglesias prefers the pen and it seems the Reds view his injury risk as lower there. Price talked of using him in 2 inning stints.
Eovaldi is supposed to miss all of 2017 and maybe part of 2018 as well.
Hence why he’s not ranked. I didn’t really sort through the leftovers.
I think you’re too low on Lance Lynn. He’s had no setbacks in his recovery from Tommy John Surgery, and he’s ahead of the curve compared to most recipients with having had the surgery last November and having already (albeit briefly) started a rehab assignment.
Rockies could have a top 25 starting *fantasy* pitcher with even an average number of pitching injuries. Wow.
Related: the average number of pitching injuries makes me sad.
Woah. You are very optimistic on James Shields ranking him that high.
Interesting rankings. Love the aggressive rankings of Paxton/Nola/Ray. What was your rationale behind Alex Reyes’ ranking? Feels a tad low.
Regarding Cotton: “scouts always poopoo even though he performs well at every level.” But so does KATOH, which only looks at performance. Therefore, I’ll let someone else roll the dice on him.
Wacha surely can easily bounce back. People were gaga about him as one of the next young aces a few years back, and while it was a down year it wasn’t that bad. If he does get drafted around 90 he should have a lot of profit potential, the Cardinals know how to coach and improve their SPs.
I’ve just checked Wacha’s numbers….YUCK! What the hell happened there?
He got a lot worse at that pitching thing.