The New Sneaky Good Phillies Outfielders
Once upon a time, I was a Phillies fan. I grew up in a mostly empty Veteran’s Stadium watching Doug Glanville and Wendell Magee and Rico Brogna. Occasionally, my past links to Philadelphia help my fantasy rosters. That happened this year with Odubel Herrera and Aaron Altherr.
Herrera was a guy who showed up in my bold predictions. I had targeted him last February in a dynasty league slow draft. I originally considered selecting him with our second round pick (we keep 28), but we ultimately held off picking him until the end of the draft – the 17th round with nearly 900 players taken.
For us early bandwagon hoppers, there were two reasons to believe in Herrera. The Phillies were going to be terrible. As befits a terrible team, they were going to give some unusual players a chance to start. Herrera, a Rule 5 pick, was in line for the first shot. He also exhibited enough power and speed in the past to promise some fantasy value.
The end result exceeded my expectations. Fueled by a .387 BABIP, Herrera hit .297/.344/.418 with eight home runs and 16 stolen bases in 537 plate appearances. He had useful position eligibilities last season, but he’ll be an outfield only player next year.
Herrera is a spray hitter which keeps the defense honest. Just from eyeballing his spray chart, he’s slightly shiftable on the right side. Second basemen can relinquish some space up the middle. He definitely hits for better power to his pull side even though he’s willing to go to the opposite field. Overall, Herrera has a history of high BABIPs. He may not repeat his .387 rate, but he should outperform league average.
If Herrera improves, it will be by trimming his strikeout rate. In the minors, he never struck out more than 18 percent of the time. Last season, he had a 24 percent strikeout rate. Given that he jumped from Double-A to the majors, it’s fair to wonder if he was slightly overmatched. A few adjustments could get him back to his minor league contact rates.
Entering his age 24 season, Herrera is expected to remain the Phillies everyday center fielder. Despite a lack of experience in the outfield, he posted 9.9 UZR and a team best 3.9 WAR in 147 games. With 10 home run and 20 steal potential, he’ll offer decent fantasy value.
His teammate Altherr was freely available for most of the season. That held true in the aforementioned dynasty league where I snagged him in July in anticipation of the Ben Revere trade. Altherr, soon-to-be 25, offers an interesting profile.
He fell off prospect lists prior to last season. Originally, scouts loved his athleticism even though his baseball skills were shaky. He definitely matched the Phillies former scouting profile. While most of the Phillies mega-athletes never developed, Altherr slowly climbed his way up the ladder.
In Double- and Triple-A, he hit 14 home runs and stole 16 bases in 449 plate appearances while posting a .293/.367/.487 slash. Nothing looked fluky about his BABIP or power numbers.
The combination of speed and power remained upon reaching the majors, but the helium fell out of his average. He hit five home runs and stole six bases in 161 plate appearances. He still walked at a 10 percent rate, leading to a .241/.338/.489 line. He was a balanced hitter last year, but most of his opposite field contact resulted in easy outs (see Spray Chart).
A 25.5 percent strikeout rate is the biggest issue with his profile at the plate. However, he’s generally improved his strikeout numbers upon a second exposure to a level. In 2014, he was punched out 22.4 percent in Double-A. When he returned in 2015, he posted a 15.4 percent strikeout rate.
Despite the unhyped arrival, Altherr doesn’t have to improve to become a valuable real or fantasy player. His athleticism translates to plus defense including an ability to play center field if Herrera falters. Altherr is also a reasonable bet to reach the 20/20 threshold.
I see Altherr as this year’s Steven Souza. As we saw this year, Souza himself proved the downside of overpaying for that sort of player. Not everything goes according to plan. However, Souza hadn’t really succeeded in the majors when we started hyping him. Altherr already has experienced some major league success.
If you were drafting today, both Herrera and Altherr would be available late. I fully expect Altherr to climb target lists as we get closer to the season. Herrera should remain easier to acquire since his upside is less flashy.
The Phillies have every reason to play them both with regularity. There is still some risk that another Rule 5 pick – perhaps Jabari Blash – along with other internal options like Darnell Sweeney, Andres Blanco, Cesar Hernandez, or Cody Asche could complicate the picture. We’ll be constantly adjusting our expectations for Altherr and Herrera this offseason.
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I guess you don’t see Nick Williams getting much time this year? Can’t say that I do either. No sense in losing a year of service time.
A breakout could put him onto the roster around August, but I see him more as a midseason 2017 guy.
Since you mentioned the past, outfielders, and the Phillies, it’s perhaps a good space here to encourage everyone to go check out the 1894 Philly outfield:
Billy Hamilton .404 / .475 / .584
Ed Delahanty 415 / .465 / .696
Sam Thompson .403 / .521 / .523
Yes, those are triple slashes and that first line is indeed batting average. An entire outfield of .400 hitters that year. All three are in the Hall of Fame.
For what it’s worth, all OF’s in 1894 combined for a .325 average. In 2015 all OF’s combined for a .260 average.
It’s roughly the same as having an OF hit ~.340/.350 in 2015 (.260 – .325 + .403).
…which is incredible.
You mean having *3* OF hitting .340-.350.
It is incredible.
And yes I do mean an outfield, a whole outfield.
I think the calculation is more accurately ( 403 / 325 ) * .206 = .322
Still good, but not quite .340-.350 good
Sorry, typo:
( 403 / 325 ) * .260 = .322
So Herrera would have hit .370 for the 1894 Phillies. Which is pretty awesome for a -97 year old
Don’t forget, it was in 1893 or 94 that they moved the mound back to 60 feet, 6 inches. Before that there was no rubber and the distance was in the 50- to 55-foot range.
Take it with a grain of salt: the U.S. had only 44 states at the time. That leaves out 6 states worth of white men. #ApplesToOranges
Its also worth mentioning that Mr. Hamilton scored 198 runs in 1894!
The 1894 Phillies outfield slash would translate to around .326/.398/.526 in 2015. Very impressive considering the best OF in 2015 slashed .298/.344/.462 (Diamondbacks), but not as extraordinary as having 3 OF hitting better than .400 initially sounds.
“Sliding” Billy Hamilton…one of the BEST nicknames ever for a speedy OF!!!
Herrera’s BABIP is going to regress. If it only drops back to the ~.350 level then he’s a .270 hitter with a bit of power and double digit steals. Meanwhile Altherr’s home run total is not an accurate reflection of his current power. He is tall and long, but wiry without a lot of muscle. That’s why his major league home runs averaged only 359.4 feet last season.
Philly fan here… and I agree with you. Herrera is going to regress that BABIP, and Altherr’s best HR total in the minors is 14. I don’t see him suddenly popping 20 in the majors. I feel like Brad’s projections for both of these players is way too rosy.
But I’d be overjoyed to be proven wrong.
Altherr hit 19 home runs last season in 650 PA.
OK, he hit 19 in 650 PA last year… with 5 in the majors in an extremely SSS… and at a slightly higher rate than in the minors. I would guess he is very unlikely to continue to produce HR at a better than minors rate. Steamer seems to agree with me. It pencils him in for 13 HRs in 498 ABs. That seems a lot more reasonable to me. But yes, I absolutely hope he continues to progress. Yes I agree he may have some untapped upside remaining. I just wouldn’t bank on it. I’m taking the under on 20 HRs. But stranger things have happenned, I’ll grant you that.
Emcee, Altherr’s overall MiLB ISO is .153 (.260, .413). No qualifiers hit 20 HRs with that ISO. (or any lower ISO)
Again, maybe he improves. I would call the Phils OF “Maybe not as bad as anticipated”. I’m not ready to say “sneaky good”.
All that said, I’m looking forward to seeing the young guys play this year.
I agree. 13 HR and 498 PA sounds about right to me for a median expectation. But that’s only about 1 SD from 20 HR in 600+ PA.
I was just looking for some minute ray of hope as a Philly sports fan and you had to go and crush it.
Altherr hit 19 HR and stole 22 bags in 650 total PAs last year. I’m too lazy to calculate his overall MiLB ISO, but it was .188 and .201 in his two stops last year. For qualified MLB hitters last year with ISOs in that range, the low HR total was 16 (in 503 PAs), the high was 26 (in 682 PAs) and averaged 20.2 HR. If he manages to hit ~.250 and earn 600+ PAs, I think 20/20 is pretty likely. The unlikely part might be hitting .250.
Altherr hit only one ball more than 400 feet and that went 402. His other home runs came down the left field line and he’s not enough of a pull hitter to take advantage of that with regularity. As noted, he has the frame to add muscle and may develop into a 20+ home run hitter over time, but his minor league track record and small sample major league performance leave me strongly doubting that he will do so in 2016.
He hit one inside the parker and only one of his other 4 HR was cheap (355 feet, out of only CBP). The other 3 were 402 (27 parks), 378 (30 parks) and 373 (30 parks). It’s such a SSS, that it’s pretty meaningless, but to characterize all his homers as cheap and use the inside the parker in his average distance (without it, distance was 373 avg) is not painting an accurate picture.
Most importantly, the average distance of 5 HR in under 200 PA tells us nearly nothing. If it was 5 HR over 1,000 PA or 20 HR over 200 PA, we might be able to draw some conclusions from his average distance.
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With the addition of Peter Bourjos, that changes some PT for the guys listed above — Right?
Some, but I think mostly for Darnell Sweeney.