The Change: Eno’s Pitching Ranks
We looked at strikeouts plus pop-ups minus walks, even if I need to re-run those numbers with pop-ups divided by plate appearances. And then we looked at Arsenal Scores, even if I need to re-run those numbers with more precision. Those things, plus projections, all inform my rankings, which I’ll run below.
But a word about my process. Pitching foils projection systems more than hitting for a reason: there are small changes that can make a huge difference. And changes in role are huge.
So, if you sort for the third category in my rankings below (difference percentage), you’ll find a bunch of guys that made small changes down the stretch that I think will make a big difference. And a bunch of guys that I think will win the fifth starter role. As well as guys that get hidden outs with the pop-up, and a bunch of guys undervalued by their overall numbers despite good arsenals.
You might be surprised to hear that I don’t run this all through a projection system and press go, and then run the rankings. That might be the best way to go. But I’m more intuitive. I’d rather play the would you rather and rely on my first impression in some cases. I’d rather go by my own sense of the depth charts than any that is put together for me. I’d rather feel my way through the ranks.
So, yeah, my default rankings are basically straight out of the auction calculator. That helps me stay grounded in the numbers. But then I move guys around like a human being, using all the inputs at my disposal, making intuitive choices along the way. And this is what popped out of my brain machine.

Diff% = (RGRK – my Rank)*100
(higher means I like them more than consensus)
Here’s a fun thing to do with the ranks. Sort by Diff% (descending) like I said above. You’ll basically get all the guys I like more than consensus. Without really looking at other peoples ranks, I outed my own ‘sleepers.’ It’s full of all the names you’d expect.
I’ll update these again in March, when we know a little bit more about depth charts — after all, there are 70 unsigned free agents that may change things up in the next month. And, hey, since this is the product of my sense of reasoning, I may even listen to your impassioned defense or attack on one player or another in the comments section. Keep it civil, though, I have a three year old at home that yells at me enough for three lifetimes.
With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.
Carlos Rodon should be higher. No? Also, I love D. Smyly but a little surprised how high you’ve got him here, especially with the health concerns. Thoughts?
I don’t think I could push him past Lackey. McCullers and Severino and Matz have shown more complete arsenals and command. So a few higher, but he’s still a guy I love.
I was probably aggressive on Smyly now that you mention it. I guess Shields convinced me that the Rays’ shoulder strengthening routine is the best in the business and I rode that too far.
yeah smyly is what stands out most for me as out of line.
Thank you Eno! Curious to know if/how these ranks would change in buy and hold league (with no waiver wire). Seems like there might be a slight uptick in the 200 innings guys, right?
Dunno. You have to have your upside waiver wire picks on the roster, too….
Please oh please oh please add a league sort so I can ignore all those pesky American League pitchers?
Export to Excel, vlookup, sort. Don’t be lazy.
Thanks for this list Eno!
Does your rank of Adam Warren reflect very few expected starts?
Actually, I really like him. But I couldn’t push him further without taking Hendricks and Hammel down further, so I just reached an equilibrium. There’s some thought that if anyone loses out of the rotation between H and H, it’s Hendricks because he has options.
Surprised at the JA Happ hate, considering his “hidden changes” made after Ray Searage tutelage.
Yeah it’s nice to see him throw more of his good pitches and fewer of his bad ones, but he’s going to the better league and a tougher park, and doing that makes him more predictable.
Am I the only one little worried about Price? Can’t fathom taking him over Arrieta, no?
Need keeper help. For just this year, who would you rather have. Carrasco or JD Martinez?
Thx
Kazmir may be a tad high because he doesn’t always go deep into games?
He averaged 6 IP/start but in 8 starts he didn’t make it through 5 and in another 5 he didn’t make it through six…though he did finish strong and is switching to the NL.
There are several guys after him I prefer but options get dicier after #50 for sure.
I kept pushing Kazmir down, and I think he represents the end of a tier. But I had to stop pushing him down at some point.
I’m surprised you believe in Hahn exactly as much as the rotographs ranking. I thought you’d have him higher because of his changeup. Is your ranking more reflective of health concerns or that is just where you think his talent level is?
With the Lamb news today (he might not be ready until April because of his back, which I didn’t even know was a thing), maybe Hahn and Lamb switch spots. But really, I like them both as last pitchers in mixed leagues, and both have health issues now. I was surprised to see others liked Hahn as much as I did, is what happened there. I suppose I could push him ahead of Leake if there was positive spring news about his elbow.
Since Lamb may be behind in Spring Training, it should keep the hype level down and could mean he stays in $1 days for NL leagues (leagues with more than one Eno follower excepted).
Eno I’ve long been a believer in your “draft two #2s and hope one turns into an ace” strategy to great success these past couple of years (Richards in 2014 and deGrom last year). With the depth of guys we can consider a “fantasy ace” now is it imperative to own one of the top 16-17 guys depending on where your cutoff is? I’ll be going into this years draft with Richards (18th rd.) and Stroman (20th rd.) in my back pocket, should I try and target an ace in say round 3 or are you comfortable enough with those 2 in order to go bat in my first 5-6 rounds before grabbing a 3rd pitcher?
I see a tier after 17, and since some will be kept, yeah I think you’ll probably want to get an ace. Just in case your two don’t strike more guys out this year.
I think based on shear # of innings and K-rate, Hutchison has gotta be higher. Similar argument for Dickey, too.
I see what you’re saying and actually had the hardest time with the 4 ERA / 200 IP guys because I figure that’s about replacement level. So if someone else can give you better in 100 IP, you probably better off with them.
Hutch, though, doesn’t even seem to be a lock for a role right now.
Great stuff Eno!
Eickhoff, Conley, Tropeano all look to be in their rotations (or pitching very meaningful relief innings) given their rankings.
Tropeano looks to be the biggest longshot at this point. Assuming pitchers being pitchers and getting injured there?
Eickhoff and Conley projecting more innings and good arsenals?
Tropeano is behind a lot of super old guys. If Weaver is 85 again…. But yes, those three have good arsenals and good opportunity.
I just have a hard time seeing them give up on Weaver as he’s due $38 million over the next two years.
What are your thoughts on Robbie Ray? He is lower on your list than I would expect.
I hate his changeup. Iffy command, too. So he’s all velocity and slider, so he’s either Derek Holland or he’s a reliever, is sorta how I see it. FB/SL bad change LHP are rarer than RHP.
Surprised to see Harvey and DeGromm over Kluber. Both Harvey and Degromm have gotten very lucky in their LOB numbers since coming up. Actually think Syndergaard ends up being the best pitcher on the Mets staff in 2016. Would love to hear your reasoning for having Darvish so low. In his 3 years in MLB, including a shortened 2014, he was 9th in WAR, 1st in k%, 6th in k/bb%, 8th in xFIP, and 9th in SIERA. Really curious to know how you have a guy who clearly showed he was a top 10 pitcher in baseball not only outside the top 30 but behind guys like Smyly, Iglesias, Ventura, and Stroman.
Teams are now pushing past 12 months before the pitcher steps to the mound, so innings are a concern. He didn’t have great command before and command comes back slowly. Lastly, teams have players put away the slider during rehab of TJ, and Yu throws like four different breaking balls. So I’m not sure about his return. The other guys you mention (well, Smyly I might have been aggressive on) should have more innings.
I mean Stroman is going to be a really good pitcher, at least I think he will. Iglesias has potential to be good. Ventura has far to erratic last year, although he did have a good postseason. Smyly also coming back from injury and shoulder problems generally scare me more than TJ as there seems to more predictable results from TJ recovery in recent years. Rangers saying they expect Darvish back in the majors by mid may. Don’t get me wrong though I love the list and am very grateful you put it together for us.
I’m convinced I’ll be pushing Smyly down. Maybe Yu up a little, but not a ton. Mid May means he’s good for 130 IP or so?
Eno;
Love your list and have two comments/qs:
1) For more accurate estimations of value, why don’t you add back replacement innings to Yu Darvish’s innings list – MR for 15+ innings.
2) In your mind, is Severino a likely future “ace” or just a solid number two? What needs to happen for him to take the next step. Clearly, he thinks he’s ready to take that next step
Why so low on Kluber? Steamer’s projections for him look extremely solid, especially K/BB.
Well, looking at it again, I suppose the 12th pitcher isn’t exactly “so low”. I just saw him at the bottom of the % diff list.
I didn’t see Brandon Maurer’s name on the list. What are your thoughts on him if he sticks as a starter?
I’d probably put him in the 115 range. I hear he’s bringing back the curveball too.
There are guys with a wide range of outcomes around the 115 tier. I like Maurer but wonder if he will ultimately replace Rodney as closer (or set-up if not) rather than stick in the rotation. Spring outings will tell us about his role if not his stamina should he emerge from ST in the rotation.
It seems like Jordan Zimmermann is pretty low after one off season that seemed to be mostly caused by bad luck.
Also moving to the AL, which costs Ks and ERA, and a year older.
Can you comment on why you have Liriano a handful of spots below the rotographs consensus? Something about him specifically or did you just like a few other guys more?
Just innings I guess.
Eno – curious why you are low on Tyson Ross. In an article you wrote about his walk rate last year you commented that “a new pitch is the easiest remedy for this particular problem.” From Brooks it looks like shortly after the article he added a cutter to his arsenal which generated good whiff / GB rates. Seems like he trusted it more as the year went along as well. Based on your rankings of him it looks like you don’t have a lot of faith in the addition of that pitch.
Recently I noticed that his swing rate on the slider is super down. That’s either because of counts, framing, or… and some around the team think this, because of his cutter.
What am I missing about Wacha that you like so much? Aside from inducing more ground balls, it seems he is just in a general decline?
General decline? He’s 24. I imagine it’s just the workload. Been great 2 straight years, just wore down the last month or so. I think he only gets stronger.
Are you saying he didn’t decline the past two years or that you’re just chalking it up to the increased workload?
Usually when we talk about decline its age related. All things being equal, at 24 Wacha would not be in the decline phase of his career.
Decline how? From his 2013? That shouldn’t be the standard, it was 65 innings and some of it was in relief. He had a strong 19 starts in ’14 before the shoulder injury and returned with almost the same exact numbers in ’15, but this time for a full season. The September slowdown looked like classic young arm fatiguing under the weight of his first 30+ start season. Lots to like with Wacha. Good even if he stays at this level, but also has real upside.
Eno will Sonny Gray continue to outperform his peripherals or will this be year he posts a 3.50+ ERA?
Any IP limits for Thor this year? Pitch in H2H playoffs?
In NL only league. Like Iglesias and DeSclafani. You seem to as well. Do you see them getting close to 200 innings? Maybe Iglesias on on a limit?
I think they ready to go.
Hey Eno, where’s Allen Webster???????
Playing overseas this year
Greinke? You dare to defy xFIP etc? Enjoy being shunned by the cool kids.
Was hoping to see Odorizzi a bit higher here. His decline in K% in part due to his scrapping of the slide piece and less FB in return yielding more GB seems like a solid means toward progression. If he can put last years effort together with some better sequencing in K counts he could take another (possible giant) leap forward in his age 26 season, no?
Talked about it on the podcast, but he tried the cutter and turfed it, so he’s still looking for that third pitch.
Eno,
Do you have any injury concerns about Tyson Ross and Chris Archer due to their high slider usage?
You may want to change the title to STARTING PITCHING RANKS
Hey Eno,
Fair to say that your relative dislike of J Fern ( %) and Stroman (91%) is about IP limitations after injury, and in Stroman’s case, diminished K/9?
Also, recently had “Lunch” by accident at Flatbread Pizza Portland ME.
Thanks!
yes!
I thought you’d be higher on Eovaldi? You don’t think his “Change” with the Split usage is going to make that big of a difference?
His 2nd half FIP of 3.10 puts him in the Top 25 SPs in the league….surely he should be higher than #70 in your rankings
I don’t like that he started throwing the splitter half the time and suddenly went down with an injury…
Hey Eno! Just wondering your reasons for having Odorizzi so much lower than consensus? His changeup/splitter is filthy.
Again, sorry to spam this comment, but noticed it wasn’t on the correct discussion:
Where do you guys stand on some of these young pitchers? How would you rank these guys in a dynasty league?
Severino, Giolito, Matz, Glasnow, Nola, McCullers, Gray, Norris.
Also, Stroman is available. Should he be targeted along with / ahead of those rookie pitchers above?
Rasiel Iglesias is available as well. Wondering how you’d rank these guys in a dynasty league. I have the #1 overall pick in our draft and am looking for a long-term impact pitcher.
Severino:
His fastball jumps at batters….. What does his spin rate look like?
Not to be too nit-picky, but Shaun Marcum recently retired, fyi.
Eno, thanks! On your podcast, you mention Tier 3 being the most interesting. Can you clarify where you see your tiers beginning and ending on your list?
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Just a quick correction (totally minor but since you reference it should make sense): For how you are calculating “difference %,” it’s not (RG – your rank)*100 but rather (RG / your rank)*100.
Good stuff!!