The Cashner Conundrum
Andrew Cashner has been one of those pitchers that has confounded fantasy owners and experts alike. You look at his fastball velocity and you see a pitcher that ranks in the top 10 in baseball. Cashner is pitching at Petco Park which is one of the most accommodating ballparks for hurlers. He definitely has the pedigree since he was a first round selection by the Cubs in the 2008 June Amateur Draft. Cashner induces ground balls at a career rate of 50%. On the surface, these factors alone are very promising and would suggest that Cashner should be a premier young pitcher on the rise.
In 2014 he produced the following line for Fantasy owners…
| GS | Wins | Loss | Innings | K/9 | BB/9 | ERA | WHIP |
| 19 | 5 | 7 | 123.1 | 6.79 | 2.12 | 2.55 | 1.13 |
Clearly the win totals were very disappointing but we know how team dependent wins are so with a poor hitting Padres squad with meager run support we could give him a pass. He did miss games with injury so that capped his numbers. The 2.55 ERA and 1.13 WHIP were very good even if his 6.79 K/9 was not. All in all, a promising showing for a 27 year old pitcher who has dealt with an assortment of injuries and is entering his prime years. With the overhaul to the San Diego offense in the off-season, there were reasons to suggest that Cashner could possibly be a top 40 pitcher or better in 2015 especially if he avoided injury. However, not everyone was on board as Brett Talley took a more cautious position on Cashner in his 1/22/15 article in RotoGraphs, Starting Pitcher Bust Candidates According to Streamer.
As we know, Cashner has not achieved anywhere near top 40 status in 2015 and in fact some would suggest that he took a step backwards. First, let’s take a deeper look at his 2014 numbers….
| GB% | HR/FB% | Sw/Strike% | BABIP | LOB% | FIP | xFIP |
| 48.3% | 6.0% | 8.0% | .274 | 75.3% | 3.09 | 3.53 |
Looking back, the underlying numbers were cause for some concern coming into 2015. His GB rate was fine, if not a touch below his career numbers. His 6% HR/FB% was very low for him and well below his 10% career numbers so it was unlikely that he could sustain that number. Cashner benefited from a favorable BABIP and LOB% which would suggest that we should not have expected him to repeat his 2.55 ERA. Most troubling was his 8% swinging strike rate which for a pitcher with his apparent stuff was very pedestrian. His xFIP of 3.53 was a better assessment of his actual performance in 2014.
With 80% of the 2015 season in the bank, let’s look at Cashner performance to date….
| GS | Wins | Loss | Innings | K/9 | BB/9 | ERA | WHIP |
| 24 | 5 | 12 | 145.1 | 7.68 | 2.79 | 4.03 | 1.35 |
| GB% | HR/FB% | Sw/Strike% | BABIP | LOB% | FIP | xFIP |
| 48.2% | 11.7% | 8.0% | 3.11 | 63.6% | 3.86 | 3.78 |
Certainly these numbers do not suggest that he has advanced as a pitcher this season. His HR/FB rate has risen dramatically and is more in line with his career 10% numbers. While his velocity on his 4 seam fastball has remained at 94.9, he is actually throwing his two seam fastball with greater velocity than last year up 1 mph to 94.6. Then why do we still see a disappointing 8% swinging strike rate?
Cashner told Eno Sarris of FanGraphs last season that he would be throwing more 2 seam fastballs in 2015 in the hopes of getting more quick outs. He has held true to his promise and this could in part account for his flat 8% swinging strike rate from year to year. In general, heavy use of the 2 seam fastball will often suppress strikeout rates as Brett Talley in his RotoGraphs article had pointed out.
Perhaps we all are enamored with velocity, and there is good reason to be since it is a helpful predictor of performance. Still, we have to ask ourselves what else is going on with Cashner. It’s apparent that we have to examine his arsenal so let’s take a closer look.
Courtesy of Brooks Baseball, here is an overview of Cashner’s repertoire….
Pitch Repertoire At-A-Glance
Andrew Cashner has thrown 9,157 pitches that have been tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2010 and 2015, including pitches thrown in the MLB Regular Season, Spring Training and Fall/Winter Ball. In 2015, he has relied primarily on his Sinker using a Two-seam Fastball grip (95mph) and Fourseam Fastball (96mph), also mixing in a Slider (86mph) and Change (87mph). He also rarely throws a Curve (81mph).
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Basic description of 2015 pitches compared to other RHP:
His sinker has well above average velo and has little sinking action compared to a true sinker. His fourseam fastball has well above average velo, results in somewhat more flyballs compared to other pitchers’ fourseamers and has slight armside run. His slider results in many more groundballs compared to other pitchers’ sliders and has primarily 12-6 movement. His change is slightly firmer than usual. His curve has very little depth, is basically never swung at and missed compared to other pitchers’ curves, results in more flyballs compared to other pitchers’ curves, is slightly harder than usual and has primarily 12-6 movement.
As we know, pitching success is not based solely on the velocity of pitches that a pitcher throws. It has a lot to do with his overall repertoire, focus, movement, elevation, command, repeatability, ability to change speeds, and how he sets up batters who attack him from both sides of the plate. A closer look at Cashner’s numbers in 2015 reveals an emerging issue with splits.
| Year | Batter | IP | TBF | H | HR | ER | BA | SLUG | OPS |
| 2015 | vs L | 62.2 | 293 | 74 | 12 | 38 | .284 | .525 | .809 |
| 2015 | Vs R | 82.2 | 330 | 77 | 4 | 27 | .246 | .352 | .589 |
FanGraphs, Baseball Analysts and The Hardball Times have done some fine analysis of Lefty-Righty splits with the prevailing data clearly showing what we intuitively believe that in most cases pitchers are more effective against same handed batters. This is one of the over-arching principals used in selecting batters in DFS play. Going a bit deeper, the general consensus is that pitches with a vertical action are most effective for a pitcher against opposite handed batters and horizontal movement is best against same handed batters. While the four seam fastball seems to have neutral splits, the most effective weapons against batters are listed below…
| Same Handed Batter | Opposite Handed Batter |
| Sliders | Change |
| Sinkers | Curve |
| Two Seam Fastball | Cutter |
Of course these are broad general statements but let’s apply them to Cashner. Since Cashner does not throw a cutter, it is his change and curveball that should be among the most effective pitches against left handed batters. Looking at the numbers, Cashner has thrown 172 changeups to lefty batters through the end of July and they are hitting .378 off of this pitch. He has thrown 40 curveballs to left batters through the end of July and they are hitting .500 off this pitch. In addition, his change which he throws about 16% of the time to left handed hitters, has lost about an inch in drop since the start of the season.
The data seems to indicate that Cashner does not have a really good solution right now against left handed batters. He rarely uses the curve, and when he does, it is a pitch that Brooks Baseball describes as having very little depth. As we noted, his change has become less effective over the course of the season. Cashner’s overall numbers this season seem to support this assertion as left handed hitters have a .809 OPS against him.
When compared against his 2014 numbers below, we can see why his pitching success has eroded. In addition to some normal regression, primarily it has been his performance against left handed hitters in 2015 that accounts for the decline in effectiveness. And of course savvy managers have picked up on this trend and have stacked their lineups with left handed hitters against Cashner.
| Year | Batter | IP | TBF | H | HR | ER | BA | SLUG | OPS |
| 2014 | vs L | 60.0 | 252 | 55 | 5 | 23 | .236 | .380 | .616 |
| 2014 | Vs R | 63.1 | 254 | 55 | 2 | 12 | .226 | .310 | .536 |
Why is this recent lack of effectiveness against left handed batters now so significant? From a statistical standpoint, FanGraphs analysis indicates that platoon splits for pitchers seem to stabilize after 500-700 plate appearances against each handed batter. Although Cashner has been in the Majors since 2010, he has only pitched 555 innings so he reached the threshold for plate appearances against each handed batter only this season.
With a larger statistically relevant sample, we are gaining better insight into the type of pitcher that Cashner is now and where he needs to improve to reach what we all believe is his significant potential. In the final analysis, unless he can come up with a better solution against left handed hitting, unfortunately we may not see that potential realized.
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BREAKING: One-pitch pitcher can’t hack it as a starter. He can’t get out lefties when he can’t throw his FB at 100.
Honestly I’ve never seen the mystique with this guy. He’s all velo and clearly MLB hitters have shown over an adequate sample size he’s eminently solvable.
He should have stayed a reliever and possibly groomed into a late-inning lightning arm, converting him to a starter was a huge mistake. Cubs laughed all the way to the bank on this one.
Obviously, Cashner is not 2.5 era pitcher. But I don’t see how you can’t mention his league low LOB% this year. With such dramatic splits this year compared to years past, its hard for me to rationalize that the 60 innings aginst LHB this year will tell more about performance against them going than career numbers. In my mind, Cash is a mid-high 3 era pitcher that encountered good babip, lob%, and hr/fb luck last year and us simple seeing the opposite this year. And he isn’t the only one on that team, something is happening at that park in regard to homers and obviously something is happening in regard to defense.
His xFIP for this season, which I note in addition to his LOB%, suggests a lower ERA than he has experienced. But his problems with left handed hitters did not just materialize this season. For his career, his GB% is 57% vs Right handed hitters and 42% against lefties. Hard hit % is 33.9% vs 25.5% and his LD% is 21.4% vs 18.2%. There is obviously regression from last years favorable BABIP and LOB numbers but an issue with left handed hitters cannot be overlooked and it became more dramatic this season.
He’s also given up 22 unearned runs this year! That’s most in the league by far and insanely unlucky. It likely had an unmeasurable impact on his performance this year.
If you watch him you’ll see why he doesn’t miss bats. He’s mostly trying to work a 2 seamer down in the zone and get ground balls. The problem has been leaving too many up and getting hammered. He doesn’t usually try to strike out guys and miss bats until he gets 2 strikes.
Cashner may be pitching at “pitcher friendly” Petco Park, but he’s also pitching for the Padres which might be the least pitcher friendly team in baseball. The defense behind Cashner and the other Padres pitchers is horrendous, arguably the worst in baseball. The catching isn’t a whole lot better, with Derek Norris generally regarded as a being a poor receiver.
No analysis of Padres pitchers this season is complete without factoring those things in. I believe Eno wrote about this in May or June, saying that Andrew Cashner admitted he had to completely change who he is as a pitcher to account for the catching situation. His pitch usage rate changes from 2013 to current would indicate as much. As much as we try to strip fielding out of a pitchers numbers, there really is no statistic to strip out the impact a pitcher’s defense has on pitch sequencing, selection and receiving.
Seems like Cashner, Ross and Shields have all been victims of trying too be too fine and miss bats to keep balls out of play. All three have had seen jumps in both K and BB (Shields’ being the most dramatic) and Cashner and Shields have had dramatic changes in Zone%. That strikes me as a pitching staff collectively recognizing that they need to miss more bats to keep the ball out of the hands of a poor defense and, in turn, allowing more base runners and making more mistakes in the zone (Cashner and Shields both have had HUGE HR/FB% spikes).
Maybe this stuff is unrelated, but I don’t think we can say for certain either way and I certainly don’t think Andrew Cashner is not living up to his potential. I think he’s gone as far as the *Padres* can take him, but if he gets traded pre-arb this off-season and finds himself in a better situation, I could see him taking the next step forward. The stuff is way too good.
While I think you make some interesting observations, if the Padres poor fielding and poor catching this season has impacted Cashner’s and Shields’ pitching styles and pitch sequencing, why does it only seem to show up negatively in an increased wOBA against left handed batters and not right handed batters? I think that Cashner has obvious gifts, and I certainly don’t discount his stuff, but I’m not sure that just moving to another team will resolve his issues.
Luck (or lack thereof)? Organizational/catcher strategies for LHH not meshing up with pitcher skill set? I don’t disagree that Cashner needs more answers for LHH but he’s always had struggles vs LHH that have, for some reason, exploded this year. If it were just Cashner, I’d buy that it is a Cashner problem, but it isn’t.
Both James Shields and Tyson Ross have seen huge changes to their platoon splits, with lefties crushing both. Ross has at least kept it in the park, Shields hasn’t. Shields has never had a platoon split in his career, the career wOBA is .313/.317 and it was .309/.310 last season. This year, .373/.299.
Last year, Ross was .289/.286 L/R. This year, .332/.268. These are not coincidences. Were it just Cashner, I would buy the premise here, but it isn’t. When an entire pitching staff is seeing the exact same problems at the exact same time, you have to ask yourself what the external factors might me. Three otherwise very good pitchers don’t just turn mediocre in the exact same way by accident. This is a pitching staff that has made a conscious decision to make changes, changes which have almost universally backfired. Maybe it was at the urging of the new staff, maybe it is at the urging of the new catcher(s), maybe it is the pitchers recognizing a problem with the defense behind them by themselves.
Cashner isn’t a finished product by any means, but I find it hard to believe an entire pitching staff of pitchers got worse in the exact same way without some external factors involving coaching, catching and defense playing a part.
You all missed another factor which surprised me. His mom has been fighting breast cancer and leukemia all season. He cannot be nearly as focused this year with that on his mind all the time. Humans are human.
See the mention about Cashner being a young pitcher, but he turns 29 next Friday.
His 2 seamer is terrible and he throws it 1/3 of the time.
His change up used to be a great pitch but I guess he’s lost the feel for it. He was one of my favorite pitchers to watch when he was using that pitch effectively a couple years ago.