Starting Pitcher Ranking Update
For a full primer on the process behind these rankings, check out episode 458 of The Sleeper & The Bust.
I decided to go a different route than the traditional 1 to whatever listing and went a step beyond the tiered rankings which allow for more nuance than just a numbered ranking, but still feel inadequate to tackle the many challenges of in-season pitcher management. I do still have tiers, but they are much different tiers and so they aren’t just talent-based groupings. They are more about usability in the fantasy game.
I have five different levels for active arms and then injury and minor league groupings for those we’re waiting on. We always talk “rest of season” when looking at deals and pickups, but I think we have to be more short term than that, especially with pitching. This doesn’t mean I’m wildly shifting rankings and my outlook on pitchers after every start, but rather I’m acknowledging that the landscape is going to shift so much throughout the six month season that trying to focus beyond a month or two is foolhardy.
The tiers are as follows:
Must Start – Should be pretty obvious, but these are the guys who always start. Again, it isn’t just the very best guys. There are second and third tier arms in terms of market value that I’d start every time out. They don’t have an obvious split or weakness that would give you a better chance at picking off their poor starts. Some of them could be “No Coors Field”, but it’s predominantly set it and forget it.
Usually Start – If “No Coors Field” is 30/70 with the MS group, it’s more like 60/40 or 70/30 with this group. You have to have a reason not to start them right now in most formats. You might feel like you can spot them properly, but we’re just not that precise in identifying when a solid arm will falter. These guys are good enough to thwart any opponent even on something less than their best day. Yes, Jason Vargas is in this group. I know he was just roughed up in the Bronx by the Yankees. He still had a 10% swinging strike rate and has been below that mark just once this year.
Spot Start – Flawed talents. A lot of these guys are on the cusp of or have been in the Usually Start tier, but currently you’re looking to curate their starts a bit where you can. They could also be a US tier arm here temporarily. Pay very close attention to gamelogs of pitchers, get a feel for how they arrived at their bottom line numbers. Not all ERAs are created equally and that’s why it’s not a talent gauge at all.
Could Start – I know many of you are dealing with some brutal pitching staff conditions right now after drafting a rotation you thought would be a strength (had one guy show me his Thor, Bumgarner, Paxton DL… yes, seriously), so you might find yourself in this tier a little more than you’d like. There is some talent to be and plucking the right two-start week could really set you up. This is essentially the Spot Star tier for single leagues or super-deep mixers (16+ teams).
Don’t Start – You don’t want to be here. This is when you start looking at middle relievers as the better option. You’ll see what I mean.
Injured – I find it hard/worthless to rank injured guys. I just think the outlook on injured players varies so much person-to-person that you can’t really use an injured player’s ranking for anything. I will identify the tier I’d put the injured guy in when healthy, though.
Minors – These guys aren’t in the majors. You needed that explanation, didn’t you?
I know I personally had to re-calibrate my short-term/long-term balance, so hopefully this the first step toward that. Going forward, I’m looking to update every four-to-five weeks, so late-June for the next update.
OK, let’s get to the groupings. Feel free to let me know what you think in the comments below, but I’d also encourage you to come out to my chat on Friday at 2 PM Central to discuss further. Please focus less on the number and more on the grouping they’re in. I’ll have another piece with thoughts on several arms coming soon, plus next week’s podcast with Eno will dive into these and his big rankings changes thus far.
Tyson Ross?
injured DUH
Obviously just wondering what his injured ranking would be…. felt like maybe he was just overlooked.
I briefly considered Ross during my league’s draft and decided that between the TOS surgery, move from the NL to AL and move from a great pitcher’s park to a great hitter’s park made him not worth it. Worse yet, he’s going to come back right as the weather heats up and the ball really starts flying in Texas.
Good stuff. Verlander still pretty high surprised me, so did Odorizzi sitting in the must-start tier.
matt garza? he’s been, actually kinda good since being activated. certainly i understand a (large) degree of skepticism, but, this list does have ubaldo and bronson arroyo on it, so, seems like we’re mentioning everybody
I can see Kyle Hendricks moving up quickly – his velocity was back last night and the two runs he gave up were fluky (a botched rundown and a wind aided HR)
Where did you see his velocity was back? Brooks Baseball disagrees…
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/velo.php?player=543294&b_hand=-1&gFilt=&pFilt=FA|SI|FC|CU|SL|CS|KN|CH|FS|SB&time=game&minmax=ci&var=mph&s_type=2&startDate=04/01/2017&endDate=05/18/2017
Here:
http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.aspx?playerid=12049&position=P&pitch=SI
Look who came around on Pineda!
Not at all. My outlook really hasn’t changed one bit, tbh. He’s entirely dependent on hit suppression as he still commands for shit regularly, but it’s been better and thus the HRs are solo shots instead of multi-run nightmares. He’s on one right now and there’s no way I’d sit him. I’d even take the first dud start without reacting. But if the BABIP goes up and hits start piling up again, he’s probably down to the Spot Start arena w/his NL brother, Robbie Ray.
He’s a good example of someone who benefits from my outlook that now gives more attention to short-term.
But Ray gives up two to three times more walks than Pineda
Ya, not a direct 1:1. It was just a thing in draft season kinda grouping the two as intriguing guys with high BABIPs that are of their own doing
Mostly I think these are good rankings. Specific changes I would make:
Move Odorizzi down from MS to US.
Move Hahn, Leake, Triggs and Walker down from US to SS.
Move Andriese, Straily, Eickhoff, Anderson, Wainwright, Biagini, Norris, Feldman, Griffin, E. Ramirez, Nelson, and Gsellman down from SS to CS.
Move Chavez, Fiers, Kuhl and Zimmerman down from CS to DS.
Move Tanaka, Hendricks and Hill up from US to MS.
Move Salazar, Morton and Urias up from SS to US.
Move J.C. Ramirez up from CS to SS.
Move Perez up from DS to CS.
I’ll address more later as I’m out the door, but I feel vindicated by the Perez inclusion and wish I’d have stuck to my guns. I doubt myself on him and while the numbers are far from great, I still dig him so I do give him consideration in format-appropriate situations. So I definitely agree there.
Move Tanaka up? Tanaka has thrown absolutely horribly this year, and every underlying stat shows its a not a fluke. I would move him all the way down to SS
I want to ask about Hahn being in the US tier. I dont think his FIP is completely for real. He owns below average K-BB%, SwStr% and his xFIP is high. His HR/FB% is an unsustainable 2.2%
I feel like Rich Hill is a must start. If you are going to waste the DL slot on him to keep him all year every time he gets hurt you need to maximize his value by starting him every time. I trust him more than quite a few of the MS list against bad matchups.
Zie German Marquez?
This is a great idea. I love the concept. As you rightly point out, once you get past a certain ‘traditional rank’ it gets murky and samey. Its like in dynasty, anyone ranked around 200 isnt that unlike someone ranked 300.
I also think this really helps guys like me who really value high 3’s ERA guys who eat innings. Those Samardija, Kennedy, Nova, Lynn, Leake guys can win a championship. Those guys get badly underrated in trad rankings but the daily reality is they are very valuable.
Great work man!
You may want to reconsider Julio Teheran.
yOu MaY wAnT tO rEcOnSiDeR juLiO tEhErAn
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You win, way more drunk than I am.
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It’s a meme, sorry. It works better with the Spongebob pic. I was teasing you a bit bc it was a little on the nose.
Found it… I’m less social media and more ‘get off my lawn’ these days.
Haha, I wish we could post pics in the chat, but ppl would prob post bad stuff so it’s for the better, I’m sure. At any rate, your main pt is correct, I’ll be assessing Teheran. He’s been a nightmare at home and his ERA Is better on the road, but still with crappy skills.
I wonder if Berrios’s domination of Colorado tonight will move him up the rankings.
I wouldn’t put too much stock into it. The Rockies have a .660 OPS on the road this year, half the team already played a full game and likely were a bit tired and the other half was backups. Take the stats which are great, but I’m not thinking this is a good game to judge the pitcher by. Everything was stacked in his favor for this one.
I know he’s the boarder pitcher between Must start and Usually start but does Duffy’s domination of the Yankees move him up in front of/ with Odorizzi in the Must start section?
Incredibly helpful, Paul. Great work.
My SP in a 14 team league is all MS: 2, 12, 19, 20, 21 and INJ #3. I think people were too fast to drop Porcello and Quintana.
These are already a day old.. when are you going to update them? 🙂 Thanks for this article and the accompanying podcast.. great stuff as always..
I like this. It makes me less dumb. Thank you.
A single tier that stretches from Jeff Samardzija to Joe Biagini is… not very useful.
I realize he’s dead last in the US section, but in terms of value, are you worried about Hahn’s spot in the A’s rotation? Seems like he’s the odd man out right now.
Where would you stick Paxton when healthy
The injured guys are ranked. Paxton = must start
Jeff Hoffman requests permission to join the “minors” list
Please do a reddit AMA regarding these rankings.
https://t.co/Gq6scPsf6L
My chat starts right now!
So would you consider a US guy that’s injured worth keeping? Example is I have Cahill (12 team mixed yahoo), but I also have Kluber and Paxton, so not exactly the most healthy staff at the moment, but Cahill is much better than what’s out there in the free agent pool.
I’m surprised to see Teheran ranked in the Usually Start. Ks are down, BBs up, and half of his last six starts were awful.
During the podcast where you described your ranking process, you mentioned linking your dashboard view of customized Pitcher stats. I would really like to see which data fields you reference when evaluating/comparing Pitchers. Thank you.