Kyle Schwarber, Second Rounder?
In 157 plate appearances, Kyle Schwarber has posted a .406 wOBA. He’s a rookie. And a catcher (well, half the time). If he qualified for the leaderboard, that wOBA mark would easily rank highest among catchers, while sitting sixth in all of baseball. He has certainly enjoyed quite the tremendous start to his Major League career and the Cubs have an embarrassing amount of young talent.
We haven’t even finished the month of August yet and I’m certainly not looking toward 2016 yet. But apparently some are. And in an article I read recently, the author discussed his early picks for the first two rounds of next year’s drafts. Schwarber wasn’t included, but was discussed at the end as a notable omission.
The fact that he was even mentioned as part of a small group of omissions shocked me. That’s typically the case when we start mock drafting for the following year and you see a new name in the first couple of rounds. It takes a while to get used to seeing a new name, so the knee-jerk reaction is to feel that it’s ridiculous and the player is severely overvalued after a breakout or career year. Is it fair to feel that way about Schwarber or is he rightfully zooming up 2016 lists?
Obviously, this question cannot be truly answered until the season ends. It’s highly unlikely that Schwarber finishes the season with a wOBA over .400. He could slump badly in September and we could look back at this post and laugh. Or he could continue to hit well, though not as well as he has, and be in the conversation for the second catcher off the board.
Heading into the season, Schwarber was ranked as the fourth best Cubs prospect. He would have probably ranked first in many other systems. With 70 raw power and 65 future game power, he could be a dream fantasy asset for as long as he maintains his catcher eligibility. And with 11 homers already and a HR/FB rate in the high 20% range, he has certainly shown off that immense power potential.
His averaged batted ball distance has absolutely supported that huge HR/FB rate. It stands at 313 feet, which would rank second in baseball if he made the leaderboard. If that’s not enough, his Hard% would rank second as well. What else is he doing that is positive for home run production? Pulling the ball over 40% of the time and hitting flies more than 40% of the time as well.
So all of his advanced metrics suggest that what he has done thus far on the power front has been no fluke. But of course, since this has come in just about a quarter of a season’s worth of plate appearances, you have to assume some regression is in store. Depending on where he ends the season, my early thought is that I would project a high teen HR/FB rate next season. Assuming the same fly ball and strikeout rates next year, an 18% HR/FB rate would yield about 27 homers. That could very well turn out to be the highest projected home run total for any catcher.
Though Schwarber has posted inflated BABIP marks in the minors, which suggest a real skill, it’s hard to imagine his current .333 mark is sustainable. He hasn’t popped up all that much, but as an extreme fly ball hitter, it’s difficult to post BABIP marks well above the league average. A mediocre line drive rate and lots of pulled balls also add to the difficulty. But with all his homers counting in his batting average and excluded from BABIP, he might still manage to hit .260 or so and not be a real liability in the category.
So if he hits around .260 with 25-30 homers, 85 RBI, 80 runs and a handful of steals, he is essentially what I projected for Carlos Santana before this year, but slightly better. And adding to the similarity is that both walk a lot, which will boost their run totals. If Santana had been catcher eligible this season, he would have basically tied with Evan Gattis for my projected second most valuable catcher. But he wasn’t eligible and there haven’t been any other catcher breakouts to consider for the second slot next year. Gattis himself hasn’t taken advantage of the ballpark switch as much as I thought he might so he’s no longer a shoe-in for the two slot again.
All of this means that surprise, surprise, at this current moment, it isn’t so crazy to consider Schwarber as the second most valuable catcher next year. But is the second most valuable catcher really worth considering in the second round? Buster Posey is surely a second rounder, but the next catcher wasn’t off the board until the equivalent of the sixth round in NFBC drafts (assuming 12-team leagues, versus 15 for NFBC) this year. And when was the last time two catchers were drafted in the first two rounds? Schwarber is not going to be projected to earn nearly as much value as Posey, and if the latter goes somewhere in the second round, there’s absolutely no way that Schwarber should be a consideration there. With the risk of the so-called sophomore slump as pitchers adjust, it would be silly to take him so early and eliminate any real chance of profit, while taking on lots of risk.
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Even when his BABIP regresses a bit, his BB% declines to about 9%, and his ISO comes back to Earth, he is still likely to be a .250/.320/.450 hitter… i.e. an incredibly valuable cather.
But at his age, he may have untapped potential and I would not be surprised if he posts several seasons of .500+ SLG.
Link the other article you mentioned?
Guessing writers aren’t allowed to link to some other websites, but I can!
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/story/25276070/projecting-the-first-two-rounds-of-the-2016-draft
Thanks…. if true, that is a silly rule that Fangraphs should reconsider.
This is not true, we could link to whatever we want to. I was just hesitant to, since we don’t typically link to other fantasy articles, and I was also essentially disagreeing.
In 2-catcher leagues, I think Kyle Schwarber is totally worth consideration in the first two or three rounds.
Well this is a nifty figure-eight around Schwarber’s possible outcomes for next year. Somewhere inside one of those rhetorical loops is the possibility that he continues to improve and mashes 40 dingers and drives in 120 from your catcher slot. Some call that “upside,” and that is why someone might legitimately risk a second round pick.
Right, the upside is that he runs away from all other catchers in terms of his value. There is risk associated with all of the 2nd round picks, but his ability to play OF (like Posey can play 1B) probably reduces the nicks and scrapes that would hurt the other catchers who only play C.
Kiley tagged him as a 55/65 hit tool/game power FV guy, putting him at a ceiling of .270 AVG + 30 HRs. That’s edging up to a #2 OF in most formats and someone that could rival Posey for the top C slot.
Traded Cutch for him in a keeper. More upside, Cutch slowing down some, especially on bases. Schwarber will play C enough to stay eligible there, but play most of the time in LF. Like Pablo Sandoval his rookie year, but not as fat.
You got hosed man
Some Cubs fan in my keeper league traded degrom for baez last year and through he had a steal too … He does not feel the same way now
Correa and Schwarber/Posey will be my first two picks next year. Two guys that get on base and can hit for power in positions that are considered fantasy weak positions… it’s the dream!
Gattis has played 0 innings at catcher this season. He won’t be catcher eligible in any but the weirdest of leagues next year.
Doesn’t seem that hard to believe everything Schwarber is doing is sustainable.
power might not fall off but based on contact and swing data, the BA will drop. My comps for him are Joc Pederson and George Springer
So, 2 big loopy swings of Pederson and Springer compared to a short quick swing of Schwarber.
I don’t think you know too much about baseball.
What about Grandal as the second catcher off the board? Maybe not in standard leagues, but I think he’s interesting in OBP leagues.
Get back to me when Grandal actually plays a full season. He has yet to go over 500 PA in any season (even including MILB) in his career and will fall short again this year. That’s one of the big benefits to POsey is not just that he’s good, but he plays a lot because he can go out and play 20+ games at 1B every year. I realize not many catchers get 500 PA year in , year out, but it is a factor and a problem for Grandal (probably both fantasy and real).
Just dumped Grandal in my league because the guy is hurt (bad non-throwing shoulder) and only plays every other day right now, and is not hitting very well recently probably because of it. Got tired of logging in to find he’s out again. . . .
You dumped the best catcher by WRC+ because he has struggled in August? Bold strategy. Find it hard to believe there was anyone better on waivers.
Just 8 catchers in baseball had at least 500 PA last season and half of them didn’t contribute at all offensively. Interestingly, only 3 of the 500+ PA catchers from last season are on pace to meet that mark this year (Posey, McCann, Perez). A 500 PA catcher is a rare thing, it just doesn’t happen often. If you’re relying that heavily on a catcher being in the lineup every day and getting 500+ PA, your team is not very good.
YEah, that comment bears some explanation: my league is a shallow league with only 8 teams and I have POsey at catcher. I got Grandal (he was on waivers in my league) for INF or Util.
Still, Grandal is not proving to be the most durable guy back there and my strategy is to have guys that are playing, not guys that miss every other game. It’s true that only around 10 catchers make 500 PA per year but to me, those guys are very valuable since I don’t have to worry about either carrying a backup or playing an empty slot. Since Grandal became a full-time major leaguer in 2013 he is 27th in PA at C so while his rate stats are 2nd only to Posey over that time (basically the same as MArtin and Lucroy), he lags well behind many lesser catchers in counting stats. He has posted similar HR/R/RBI stats to guys like ZUnino, Ianetta and Avila and lesser stats than guys like Montero and Castro and Perez who are much lesser hitters but much more durable.
However it is a fair point that my comment probably applies better to my situation and probably not as well generally although I think it is more than a fair point within the context of “is Grandal the 2nd best catcher?” which was the post I was responding to.
Oh, as for the put-down of my team, I’m in 2nd so I’m doing just fine thank you.
In ESPN leagues at the moment he’s still four games from qualifying for catcher for next year, so at least from the perspective of right now, you have to weigh the possibility that he doesn’t get those four games and you either (1) start the season with him as an OFer, where it’d take him up to 5 weeks, catching twice a week, to qualify at C or (2) not have catching eligibility even for next year if the team has an offseason change of heart about his catching.
I got on to comment specifically about this, related to ESPN Position Eligibility requiring 20 games to carry over. Schwarber hasn’t caught at all in the last few weeks and it doesn’t look like Maddon is that interested in playing him at catcher the remainder of the season. With Soler now on the DL, there is even less reason for Schwarber to move out of the OF.
If Schwarber loses catcher eligibility for next season, it might take him half the season to gain it back catching 1-2 games a week (if he catches at all).
.260 with 25-30 HR, 85 RBI and 80 R (plus a ~.360+ OBP) is still plenty valuable in a corner outfield spot, but losing that catcher eligibility would change his long term value a great deal. I guess if he loses it you can overdraft and hope he gets to catch 3 games a week.
Does Schwarber’s low Z-contact (75%) worry anyone? Among players with 150PAs it’s bottom 10, and the names around him don’t scream safe batting average. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=150&type=5&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=7,a
Or is this just a case of looking too much into one flaw?
That concerns me a bit as does his 68% contact rate and 15%+ swinging strike rate, but let’s see how he does in September.
Lets wait another 50 -abs to see what he is, many Cubs prospect starts off hot, then the league picks up their lack of strike zone judgement and the many holes in their swing baez started off hitting 330 too and the Cubs fans were about to put him in the hall of fame and pencil in 40 hr a year. Both soler and bryant had seen their average crash 100+ points. Look at the last 10-12 days . You would see schweber having stats similar to.baez, he is going to need to make major changes for me to draft him in the first 10 round next year
Schweber last 10 games, 4/34, 3hr, 6 walks, 15ks, looks like baez with more power
Who’s Schweber? Should I know him?
What about if he is eligible at catcher but ends up playing a ton in OF? To me that boosts his counting stats over and above a ‘regular’ C. What is the latest on him playing OF next year?
A lot will depend on the other OF. Coghlan is arb-eligible, Denorfia and Fowler are both free agents. That really only leaves Soler as the only piece penciled into the OF. With Montero (2 years) and Ross (1 year) still under contract, I wouldn’t be shocked if Schwarber is just thrown in left field all season.
Maybe they pair him up with one starter and let him catch a game a week so he doesn’t lose the skill but for 2016 it makes the most sense to just start him in LF every day and roll with it.
Schwarber hit a home run yesterday that looked an opposite field single off the bat…but easily cleared the fence.
Take away the pudge and the left-handedness, and Schwarber reminds me of Mike Trout batting: short, quick swing and just drops the barrel of the bat on the ball.
So he goes from don’t overhype to 2bd rounder. Solid season I guess.