Kicking Rocks: The C Word
They say that a person’s true colors are often revealed during high-pressure situations and with both the MLB and your league’s trade deadlines rapidly approaching, this is about as high-pressure as it gets for fantasy owners during the season. The haves and the have-nots have separated within the standings and those who are in contention for their league title are caught in a seemingly high-stressed dogfight with some fierce competitors. Trade talk is abundant and the days can be filled with boatloads of anxiety, especially when your competition makes a deal that could either vault them past you in the standings or extend the lead they may already have over you. And while many of you are more than capable of rolling with the punches, there are numerous who are exposed as both petty and immature, no better than a petulant child who takes his ball and goes home when things don’t go his way during the game.
How many times have you received that ridiculous phone call or email from that guy in your league who freaks out whenever a competitor makes a trade that could hurt him in the standings? His diatribe is as aggravating as it is whiny and all too often it spurs on an email war that floods your inbox with an annoying back-and-forth verbal assault that easily finds its way to going too far. He deems every trade made during the year, save for his own of course, as moronic, egregiously lopsided or worse…collusive. It’s one thing to lobby against a trade based solely on its merits, but when you start throwing around the word collusion…the dirtiest nine-letter word in fantasy sports…it takes things to a whole different level; a level that has no place in what is supposed to be just a game.
By definition, the word collusion means, “a secret agreement, especially for fraudulent or treacherous purposes,” and by accusing someone in your league of it, your are flat-out calling them a cheat. That’s a pretty serious claim and one that should never be taken lightly. The problem, however, is that the accusation is as overused as it is inflammatory and in nearly every case, it is both unfounded and untrue.
If you’re in a keeper league and the guy in third place trades Billy Hamilton, Michael Pineda and an eighth-round pick to the guy in last for an overpriced Matt Moore and Kevin Gregg, you may not like it as the second place team, but at face-value, it is a fair deal. Your opinion of a player’s worth might be different, but Hamilton is still considered the top speed prospect out there, Pineda has strong potential in 2014, Moore probably won’t be kept because of cost constraints and Gregg is….well…..Gregg. The deal works for both parties and seems to be 100-percent fair based solely on its merits. By crying collusion, you’re saying that these two league owners have a secret deal working where future monies or favors will be given in exchange for participating in the current deal which is a pretty serious accusation.
Overreacting to deals with cries of collusion is, sadly, something we see all the time. Maybe not in leagues with bragging rights at stake, but any league where there is some type of monetary incentive, you somehow always end up with one guy who flies off the deep end because he is blinded by the money. Maybe the entrance fee is actually too high for him. Maybe he thought he was going to win and spent the money before he actually had it. Whatever the case may be, his behavior tends to live on the irrational side and a once fun and enjoyable fantasy league turns into a heated argument where friendships end up being lost.
If you truly believe that there are people in your league who would so overtly cheat to win, well then you need to get out of that league immediately. If they’re people you don’t personally know, then shame on you for putting in money in an uncontrolled situation as league rules and an honor system don’t work unless you or someone in your league can personally vouch for each member. Learn your lesson and move on.
If these are friends of yours, and you believe them to be cheating, then you either need to raise your standards for whom you believe to be a friend or realize that you may actually be the problem and not them. Busting out an accusation of collusion is a very serious thing and when it comes to friends, you better be a thousand percent sure that it’s true before you go dragging their name through the mud. It is not something you are going to be able to take back so you better be sure. If you’re right, well then you’ve exposed a person for the [choose your own expletive for here] that they are and probably helped out several others in your league. But if you’re wrong, well then you’re just the lonely crybaby in search of a new group of friends.
Howard Bender has been covering fantasy sports for over 10 years on a variety of websites. In addition to his work here, you can also find him at his site, RotobuzzGuy.com, Fantasy Alarm, RotoWire and Mock Draft Central. Follow him on Twitter at @rotobuzzguy or for more direct questions or comments, email him at rotobuzzguy@gmail.com
easy fix – supermajority to veto. cuts out the crying.
I hate that rule. 2 guys spend 10 hours studying players and crafting a trade and then 6 guys get to nix it, 6 guys (a) who aren’t current on these players and have no incentive to look up their Fangraphs page and (b) do have incentive to screw over the traders. The voters can collude, too, so vetoes have their own screwed up incentives.
Our league’s dealt with controversial trades and had all these discussions, and we’ve left it where Howard suggests: if you don’t trust the other guys, don’t play. (I wish we could eliminate the overheated accusations, but what’re you going to do? Kick rocks, that’s what.)
My league has never had a trade vetoed and we don’t really have any accusations of collusion, the Commissioner can veto trades and we require that teams remain under the salary cap. Nobody besides the commissioner has the power to veto a trade. Seems like if the owners thought it was in their team’s interest its not anyone else’s place to say otherwise.
Or just don’t play with jerries. I know that not everyone can pick everybody in the leagues they are in, but maybe if you are in a high stakes league or a league that is important to you, you should consider how well you know the other players in the league and what kind of people they are. In my two important leagues, I am happy and perhaps lucky to say that league members abide by gentlemens’ rules.
If I were not this lucky, however, I would hope that the league would have strong league veto rules and a strong commish with good judgement.
Nobody in my league colludes, but we are all so caught up in trying to rip one another off that we barely trade. It’s pretty hilarious.
I love this. Hilarious. I have a league like that. Just crazy low-balling all day.
I don’t know of too many people who throw out a fair trade right away. It’s easier in keeper leagues because you are actually willing to trade your prospects to win now, but for all redraft leagues – who doesn’t start a trade discussion with an offer that favors your team.
I agree some people take this to the extreme, but it’s pretty common in every league I’m in… or it could be just me!
I got accused of colluding with my arch-nemesis. I was hurt at first then I just thought it was comical. Another good story Howard.
I’ve used the c-word once in my 10-year fantasy history, and I believe it was a rare case of it actually being warrented. Let’s say brothers A and B split the buy in for a team. Player C leaves in the middle of the season(having already payed) and brother B takes over control of C’s team. Brother B then uses the players on C’s old team to bolster A’s team. A’s team wins and brothers A and B split the winnings.
Very few people in the league, including the commish, saw any problem. Verdict?
That’s an easy one. Combining the resources of two teams into one team is obviously collusion.
Slow down; what if Team C traded an overpriced Matt Moore and Kevin Gregg to Team A for Billy Hamilton, Michael Pineda and an eighth-round pick? Is that “obviously collusion”?
you want a verdict without even mentioning the players? As Howard said, maybe it’s you.
My apologies. This was a non keeper with team C out of contention when the trades were made. Shoukd have been more clear.
Yes. If the story is as you say, that is 100% collusion. The problem with declaring collusion is that usually it is so hard to prove. Usually, you have to judge intent. When you have a case like the one you stated, it becomes easier. However, your commish should never have allowed someone to take over a team that left mid season. If a team is done, the team is done.
In a redraft I totally agree; if a manager bows out, that team is done. I do think the commish should update lineups to keep it competitive for the teams competing against said team, but no roster moves. If you allow that team to totally fold, it messes with tight playoff races and draft picks for bogus reasons.
In a keeper tho, I say let someone take over. I’ve done this a couple times with my hockey keeper league and it’s been peachy.
Agreed, though I think it’s implicit that you should only let someone who has no prior affiliation with one of the other teams in the league take over an abandoned team. Not that it’s a direct analog, but there’s a reason no sports league would allow any party to have ownership in more than one franchise.
that’s a true fact, steex
I’ve been in leagues before where this situation arises, and the general rule of thumb has been that those two teams are unable to directly trade with each other. So brother B takes over team C and can trade with any other team except brother A. However, those players once off of brother B’s team can then be traded to brother A (and likewise 3+ team trades were allowed).
Having been in leagues with this rule this trade looks very suspicious to me.
I thought the word was going to be “coont”
Totally thought this was going to be about dumping your Catcher and getting a new one off the wire.
i was disappointed it wasn’t about cistulli
im in a 1 league with a bunch of my friends for each of the big 4 sports. an issue that has happened before has been two owners will make a lopsided trade in the baseball league where owner A benefits, then in say the hockey league a lopsided trade is made where owner B benefits.
That’s awful. Completely unacceptable
Maybe A understands baseball and B doesn’t understand baseball, but B understands hockey while A doesn’t.
asdf:
Shouldn’t matter, if there is a look of two teams making trades that benefit one in one league and the other in a different one, collusion should be a real concern. I’m in a couple leagues where managers overlap and I’m not going to lie; I’ve thought of trying something like this, but ultimately never do since I really want a clean game.
Pretty sure I would make some pretty boneheaded moves in a fantasy hockey league. Evidenced by the fact that I can’t name a current hockey player. Can I take Gretzky in the first round?
The dirtiest nine-letter word in fantasy sports is RyanBraun.
Great article. All I can say is there are a lot of goons out there that play fantasy baseball yet know nothing about trade value.
Faced that precise situation this season in a league I had been a part of for 6 years.
Last three years finished second and last two I was beat by teams that benefited from lopsided trades.
This year I was on pace to win when the second place team in an AL-league traded for Miguel Cabrera,Jose Reyes after he returned, Jim Johnson and Andy Pettitte for two players who were badly overpriced and two marginal keepers who carried less excess value than Cabrera alone, whose salary was depressed because he was last signed the spring when he was converting back to third base and had been hurt taking a grounder off the face.
I decided to quit the league at season’s end, start a new league and quietly recruit a few owners I suspected were as concerned as me. At the end of the day I want to play in a league with fair-minded and knowledgable and leveling an accusation wasn’t going to accomplish that.
I was in a league ( 16 team ) where any trade could be voided if 5 owners voted against it . After I won the league 5 years in a row ,5 jealous,incompetent pricks who couldn’t compete honestly got together and started vetoing every single trade I made . They got what they wanted ,I quit the league .
Here is my take on the veto rule: put your money where your mouth is.
In one of my leagues, if a trade is vetoed, the teams who had the trade blocked can appeal the veto and send the trade to an independent 3rd party for a ruling. If the 3rd party says the trade is legit, those who voted to veto the trade pay the tab for the 3rd party ruling, and if the trade is blocked then the teams making the trade pay the tab.
Is this perfect? No. But in my experience you can’t allow owners to veto trades with impunity because many vote based on how it affects their own results. If those same people knew voting against a fairly reasonable trade was going to get overturned and cost them pocket money, many of those naysayers would shut the __ up and stop vetoing trades in a hurry.