It’s Ottoneu Cut Day!

Today’s the day. Your 2017 ottoneu keeper rosters are due prior to midnight tonight. All that advice to put off cutting your extraneous players can be ignored. Shed the bloat and corruption from your roster. See ya $35 Chris Davis. Didn’t find a taker for your $20 David Ortiz? Well, I’m not surprised. Goodbye forever Big Papi.

I’m here to offer some last minute advice as you make your decisions. Let’s talk about trade options and those oh-so-tricky borderline keepers. For more late breaking advice, check out the ottoneu strategy page.

Trades

Ottoneu trades take two days to process. This has important implications for your wheeling and dealing. Any player you acquire today via trade will be a keeper. Any player you sell today will be a keeper. Say it with me – all players traded today are automatically kept.

That means the silly “take-all-of-my-cuts” volume trade you’re offered needs to be countered to remove anybody you wouldn’t keep. In the past, I’ve also advocated trading players for nothing. I’ve got a $7 Luis Severino. Last year, he was everybody’s favorite pitching prospect – the Julio Urias of 2016. Now I can’t find any sort of return.

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The $7 price tag seems reasonable for the Yankees fourth starter given the cost of other uncertain prospects. In our league, kept prospects are typically in the $5 to $20 bin. Only a few of the truly valuable $2 types can be found, and they’re usually flawed like Dylan Cozens or Rowdy Tellez. There’s a decent chance Severino will cost less to whoever wins him at auction. Therefore, I might try to find an owner to take him at no cost.

Most of today’s trades will probably be around the margins. Players in the $10-and-under bin who will play a backup depth role. Maybe a fair-priced core starter for a mid-tier prospect. Challenge trades of fringy $3 pitchers. Very few blockbusters are still in the works.

If you’re not pleased with the valuations you’re receiving, don’t be afraid to table talks until after the draft. You may discover your interest in a specific target wanes over time. Or maybe the draft offers a better value on a similar asset. However, don’t count on the draft as a panacea. Every year, my rivals tell me “oh, you want that much for Trout? I’ll do better via the draft.” They wind up paying out the nose for guys like Andrew McCutchen, Jason Heyward, Ryan Braun, and Wil Myers. Yes, it could work, but not with any degree of certainty. Typically, almost every player in the draft will cost more than they’re worth.

What about offers for players you’re going to cut? There’s a temptation to take anything at all. As I mentioned earlier, I’m even open to giving away Luis Severino. However, the key is that I’d be placing Severino on a non-threatening roster. I don’t mind if they make one of my rivals pay for Severino, but I don’t want to give close competitors any sort of edge. Pay attention to where your trading partner stands on the win curve.

Tricky Keep/Cuts

My roster has a number of very difficult keep/cut decisions, particularly because I’m right up against the $400 salary cap. On my roster organizer page, I have 26 players designated as keepers at a cost of $375. That would actually give me more free cash than I had last season. I won a blowout victory so I know my build can work. My success will hinge on the play of Trout, Clayton Kershaw, Goldschmidt, Nolan Arenado, Charlie Blackmon, and others. My drafted players will be assigned to patch holes like fifth outfielder and injury needs.

Players on my bubble include $21 Jason Kipnis, $4 Austin Hedges, $3 Raimel Tapia, $8 Carter Capps, $3 Greg Holland, and $3 Matt Andriese. The decision is basically between Kipnis or the rest. By waiting until the last minute to make my decision, I have some information about the marketplace. A $26 Ian Kinsler, $26 Ben Zobrist, and $10 Jonathan Schoop were cut. Plenty of teams need middle infielders, so it’s not as if I’m likely to get any of those players for less than their previous price. However, it’s a gamble I could take. I can also hope to acquire a big upgrade at a later date.

Of the available options, Kipnis is my preferred target. Subtle adjustments to his swing path allowed him to finally take advantage of his friendly home park. I expect a repeat of his 2016 power output. I anticipate a price tag around $30 via the draft. I value him at $26. Because I’m running a stars and scrubs machine, my decision is really between paying for Kipnis now or going cheap with several $1 volume plays like Brandon Phillips. He’s been a regular on my roster for the past two seasons.

A guy like Hedges is hard to value. His minimal major league experience suggests he may take time adjusting to the majors. I believe in the swing adjustments he made in the minors, even if his home park did provide some of the fuel for his 21 homer performance. Petco is much less forgiving to right-handed hitters. Since I have an affordable Jonathan Lucroy, rostering Hedges is a luxury depth move. Best case scenario, he builds some serious trade value with a couple hot weeks at the plate. The scouting report still includes doubts about his bat.

Tapia’s another tough prospect. He’s very blocked in Colorado, and that’s not likely to change anytime soon. A swap to a sea level stadium transforms him into just another toolsy outfielder. But if he can find regular reps at Coors Field…

Capps and Holland are coming off the Tommy John train. Steamer has Capps projected to pitch at a $25 pace over half a season, and that includes a lot of regression from his superb 2015 numbers. Holland’s a little harder to get behind at Coors Field. Sliders are negatively affected by the rarefied air. Holland is first and foremost a sliderballer. He’s so cheap that it might be worth the gamble anyway.

Last but not least is Andriese. He’ll compete for a rotation job. He probably has more ottoneu value as a long reliever, a role in which he posted a 2.38 ERA and .207 wOBA allowed. The difference was almost entirely BABIP and home run rates. As Jeff Zimmerman noted, his pitches have extreme outcomes which allows them to play up in relief.

So those are my bubble guys, and I have a firm payroll constraint to balance. For pricier picks, be mindful of available alternatives. Your rival’s needs are relevant too. It doesn’t matter if a dozen second basemen will be in the draft if your opponents need 15 of them. My other cut day decisions are all about 2018 and beyond. Unfortunately, there’s very little advice I can give. Contending for multiple years is all about balancing the present with the future. My success after this season may rely on that breakout Andriese stock or Capps returning to $30 form.





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lostfan48
9 years ago

Leon worth keeping at $3 as a third Catcher?
Carson Smith at $5 or Dario Alvaraz at $4 the better value?

difflja
9 years ago

Would really appreciate your view of $28 CarGo and $31 JD……thanks much!

difflja
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Thanks very much, Brad. On different teams for me, as core OF’s. Steamer seems to prefer CarGo, but I’m leaning same as you….

difflja
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Thanks for the insight…..and good luck with your last cuts and the upcoming season!

CC AFCMember since 2016
9 years ago

Are we confident in Severino securing that 4th starter role? Cause I’ve got him at $6 and I’d keep him if I was confident he’ll be in the rotation on opening day, but I have not felt confident about that yet, so was leaning toward cut

mattowens04
9 years ago

FG Points…thoughts on JD Martinez at $19 (seems like a good keeper to me) and Will Smith at $5. Also, implementing 5 MiLB Player draft this year, I have first pick…do I take Gleyber Torres?

mattowens04
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Thanks! I have 152.00 left and 21 spots to fill currently if that helps. Also, Brian McCann at $9.00? And please say I was smart to cut $13 Pineda and $7 Vizcaino.

Trey Baughn
9 years ago
Reply to  mattowens04

Definitely keep JDM. As for 5MiLB do you draft before auction or after? If after I doubt Torres is available. If before then he’s a solid target to go #1. Bellinger, Meadows, Robles would be up there.

mattowens04
9 years ago
Reply to  Trey Baughn

Our MiLB draft starts tomorrow. Right now, with Smith, I have 19/40 roster spots filled, with $152.00 left. Took this team over and doing a bit of a rebuild.

Arctic_Kiwis
9 years ago
Reply to  Trey Baughn

I’m in that league. Torres is his best 5Milb option. Many prospect are kept, including all of the ones that trey mentioned. I think Torres is the only mlb top 20 (or so) available

Jason Kirchner
9 years ago

Great info! Would you keep or cut Hamels at $20??

lesmashMember since 2017
9 years ago

Chris Devenski at $3
Nick Castellanos at $8

This is a 5×5 league.

Trey Baughn
9 years ago
Reply to  lesmash

Keep Castellanos

jfree
9 years ago

All that advice to put off cutting your extraneous players can be ignored.

That advice killed off trades in our league. Most teams even now aren’t legal for auction so you just look at the league page wondering if the league is still alive (since a ‘new owner for an abandoned team’ post-keeper will get a huge advantage in being able to cut whoever they want while everyone else is frozen). And whats the point of wasting time on offers when you get countered with obvious nonsense/crap?

Not a fan of this ‘strategy’ at all and it hurts ottoneu imo.

jfree
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I don’t know why it would be atypical. That David Ortiz example is what the advice results in. Ortiz, Teixeira, Fernandez/Ventura are all still on rosters in my league. Why would anyone waste time thinking about making offers to that maybe-dead-certainly-delusional owner? I just don’t get the ‘advantage’ here

jfree
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

When a team looks like its abandoned (and nothing screams abandoned like corpses, retirees, and obvious drops), then it won’t get trade offers. Maybe others are different – but with a team like that, I’m not interested in searching thru the manure. I assume the only point of the strategy is to identify (but not trade) any $3 ponies or other guys who MIGHT be keepers. But that means that I potentially lose by even making offers and giving away info.

There’s no point dealing with that sort of owner.

NoHayBanda
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I don’t cut anyone until I have to as a rule. There is no advantage to cutting players early.

Trey Baughn
9 years ago
Reply to  NoHayBanda

There was a non zero chance Ortiz would come back. Lots of owners holding onto to him till today

jfree
9 years ago
Reply to  NoHayBanda

Every time I cut players this offseason (did so in dribs and drabs), I got a couple of offers. None of them worked this year – but at least they were all serious.

There’s not a chance in hell I even look at any trades today since everything is now keeper and I’m now down to only keepers whereas those other teams are now just flogging their manure and dropping their $3 ponies (following the other trope ‘don’t keep too many’).

So yeah I think there can be an advantage in using the entire offseason rather than just keep-or-cut day.

jacobyfan23
9 years ago

Keep Fowler at $19 in a points league? Would be my 3rd best OF.

JC
9 years ago

$7 Russell Martin, $5 Tommy Murphy? Help…

Spa City
9 years ago

Brad – In a FG Points league, the only player I am considering cutting is Yasiel Puig at $29. I think he is a cut, but I am having trouble convincing myself to do so. I have good depth almost everywhere else at below-market rates, but I could use a dependable OFer.

Is Puig clearly a cut at $29? Or am I reasonable to think he might be worth that price?

Trey Baughn
9 years ago
Reply to  Spa City

Don’t hesitate to cut Puig at $29

Iron Mikey
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

This just saved me from trading for him at way too much money.

Sonny LMember since 2017
9 years ago

Can you rank $1 backup C options (behind Posey) Zunino, Hedges, Murphy?

StockMember since 2024
9 years ago

I am not sure how you can release Holland and Capps. You are saving $5 by keeping Kipnis (your evaluation). Capps is worth $12 this year (50% of 25 second half value) so you make up the gap right there. However in 2018 and beyond you are getting Capps and Holland for $20 under market value. You will never be there with Kipnis.

Jason Kirchner
9 years ago

Nice post! Keep Rendon at $24 in FGpts league? I have Villar ($7) I can play at 3rd. Keeping Rendon would allow me to play Villar at MI and bench Schoop ($7). However, $24 seems to be right where his value is, maybe a little over.

Jason Kirchner
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

It is. There are no good 3rd basemen in the pool either. However, I don’t necessarily need one. It’s just hard to put him back knowing he will be signed for more.

Bwentloag
9 years ago

$8 Josh Reddick? $10 Doolittle? $7 Vogt?

jrl133Member since 2025
9 years ago

you suggested that name-brand drops (J-Hey, Braun Myers) will go for more than they’re worth at auction…I have a $43 Andrew McCutchen who is in the waiver chute…I’m thinking he might go for less at the draft, considering the amount of cash our owners might be carrying on auction day…thoughts?

jrl133Member since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

well, with Cutch ($43) and Jay Bruce ($20) in the waiver chambers, I’ll have 28 keepers at $333 and $56-$67 at auction…not a lot to spend but hopefully enough to get some pitching depth

jrl133Member since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

likely true, even in our 4×4 classic league…last season was my first year in the league and I did see several value picks at the end of the draft…owners with a few dollars left and a well-constructed list of back of the rotation targets did pretty well

jrl133Member since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

playing behind my expensive infield and $31 worth of Catchers is Cruz ($29) and Kemp ($17) and a supporting cast of platoon options…

KJLMember since 2025
9 years ago

Dee @ $23 (Ottoneu 5×5)? Seems close, if he looks half decent at the start of the season hes easy trade bait.

KJLMember since 2025
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

End of March, i think youre right

Capt. Clutch
9 years ago

How many of the following, if any, should I keep in 5×5?
Clayton Kershaw: $61
Madison Bumgarner: $38
Starling Marte: $34
Adrian Beltre: $22

murph3699
9 years ago

I’m debating keeping Choo ($16) Gomez ($10) and Pollock ($34) in Fangraphs points.

murph3699
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

My thoughts too. I do have Cargo at $24 and Cespedes at $22 as well. That torrid stretch Gomez had after joining Tex is blurring my vision lol

Trey Baughn
9 years ago
Reply to  murph3699

I would throw Gomez and Pollock back at those prices. Choo is harder for me, but with your solid OF pieces already I would hedge towards cutting all three.

murph3699
9 years ago
Reply to  Trey Baughn

I forgot to mention I have Soler at $8 as well. I wanna see what he can do in KC so he’s staying. I’m leaning towards cutting all 3 but wanted a push from fellow fantasy nerds.

murph3699
9 years ago
Reply to  murph3699

Ending up dropping all 3.

kdm628496
9 years ago

on the fence about the following:
aj reed at 6
marwin gonzalez at 4 (love the eligibility)
schoop at 6
tanaka at 20
nicasio at 5
any help would be appreciated. thanks.

Jason Kirchner
9 years ago

Keep Granderson at $11 and Tehran at $17?

Rainja182
9 years ago

Need some help here, really have no one else to ask. I’m in a normal 5×5 Ott league and have an $11 Buxton and a $31 Seager. My infield is stacked with Odor/Story/Machado/Freeman/Donaldson in addition to Seager. I also have Drury and Healy as backups. My OF is a little suspect with Eaton/Bradley/Santana/Maybin/Buxton so I need some help there. I have literally no cap space for the draft ($16 with 14 spots to fill). So my question is this: Is Buxton a reasonable keeper in this squad at that price? And in addition, would either of these trades make sense? Seager/Buxton for Pollock/Hedges OR Seager/Bedrosian/Drury for Pollock/Thornburg/Hedges? I’ve been tearing my hair out over this one… I really don’t know if I’d rather have a bit of cap space for the draft and upgrade my OF a bit or if sitting tight and $1 bidding the draft is a better bet. HELP!! (PS: My staff is solid-ish with Arrieta/Cueto/Tanaka/Paxton/Taillon)

Rainja182
9 years ago
Reply to  Rainja182

Forgot to include pricing for trade players – Pollock ($20) and Hedges/Thornburg/Drury/Bedrosian ($3)

Rainja182
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

My fault, it’s Corey

Rainja182
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I think you sold me on the fact that Seager+ is going to be more valuable than Pollock+, in that sense, if I sit tight, I can make up the $10 draft value with a true value trade in season. Thanks Brad!

Rainja182
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Thanks for the input, he offered the latter trade after I had explained my discomfort in trading Buxton. I just don’t know how much to believe in the Pollock projections or if an extra $10 in the draft is more important than having a quality depth player to trade with as the season approaches. It’s a great position to be in, but I’m having issues with the decision itself.

Bwentloag
9 years ago

Brach at $3? Love the ratios at that price, but no shot at closing…

Bwentloag
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Hahaha thanks man, I appreciate the help. I’m at 3 good-to-great RPs, and was kinda thinking along your lines– hoping he can be bench depth and $3 isn’t bad to pay for a nearly 15% swinging strike rate.

jmohan
9 years ago

FGpts – I’ve got $5 Junior Guerra, $3 Jorge Polanco, and $6 JA Happ. Tell me I’m suffering from endowment bias (traded for all 3) and they’re gone.

jmohan
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Thanks Brad, I’m gonna take shots on them.

JC
9 years ago

$19 Polanco? Any surplus value there?

JC
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Thanks!

murph3699
9 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Thanks for your help!

murph3699
9 years ago

Since we’re doing fantasy help today, anyone care to give me an opinion on a non ottoneu league? 16 team OBP/SLG/HR/RBI/SB Keep either Carlos Gonzalez (5th round) or Kendrys Morales (16th) for 1 year. Thanks!

Joe DouglasMember
9 years ago
Reply to  murph3699

Kendrys if he has OF elig. (He does in ottoneu)

farleyb6
9 years ago

Do I keep $37 Strasburg and/or $29 Degrom in 5×5? I wasn’t going to because I think they are too expensive, but it is looking like there won’t be many aces available and my next best pitcher is Tanaka. I’m thinking I could cut them still and gamble on getting them back for cheaper.

Kyle HMember since 2026
9 years ago
Reply to  farleyb6

you should definitely cut them at that price.

Kyle HMember since 2026
9 years ago

Keep $3 Leon, $12 Grandy in 4×4 ottoneu?

Trey Baughn
9 years ago
Reply to  Kyle H

I would cut both and target them in auction

RobertMember since 2017
9 years ago

Have a 3B conundrum that the off-season didn’t help me solve. Who should I keep among Rendon ($24), Kang ($6), Suarez ($5), Sandoval ($3) and Jurickson Profar ($5)? I also have Matt Carpenter ($19) and Hernan Perez ($3) that I’m expecting to place at MI or other positions.

Trey Baughn
9 years ago
Reply to  Robert

I would keep (in order): Carpenter, Kang, Profar, Rendon, Suarez, leaning towards cutting the last two. Would definitely cut Sandoval Andy Perez.

eotis
9 years ago

keep $49 miggy? also own $40 votto

Trey Baughn
9 years ago
Reply to  eotis

Hard to answer without more context but $49 is probably market price (FGPTS) for Miggy