Five Big Fallers from My SP Rankings
I released my June rankings yesterday. Justin and I also discussed some of the biggest movers into the top 50 on the podcast. There are 40 pitchers who moved up or down at least 15 spots. I can’t cover all of them here today, that’d be like a 5000-word piece, but I do have some thoughts on the biggest fallers on the list. We start with a mea culpa, but I stand by the others!
Mike Foltynewicz, ATL | -56 to 93rd
One of the tough parts about ranking 100+ pitchers a month is that I can’t do a deep-dive on each one of them prior to each update so I thought maybe I goofed when I read this comment: “You made this before Folty started getting his velocity back within his last two starts huh”.
I did in fact miss that Folty’s velo was back up over 95 mph in his last three starts, going from 94.3 mph in his first four to 95.5 in those starts. In that time he has posted a 3.71 ERA and 0.88 WHIP with 18 strikeouts and zero walks in 17 innings, which included starts against Milwaukee and St. Louis. Hilariously enough, Detroit accounted for five of the seven runs he’s allowed.
He was absolutely brutal in his first four starts back (8.02 ERA/1.60 WHIP/8 HR in 21.3 IP) off the injured list, but only one of those happened before the May rankings so I gave him a Must Start rank thinking you’d want to roll with him after his excellent 2018 and waiting for him to get healthy. I overcorrected by bouncing him all the way down to a Deep Spot Starter. He should be about 25-30 spots higher with the potential to move even higher if he continues to pitch this well. I botched this one.
Chris Archer, PIT | -51 to 89th
Archer opened the season with a 2.74 ERA and 1.13 WHIP, fanning 26 in 23 innings and showing a legit three-pitch mix with a career-high changeup usage (14%). He has completely fallen apart in the subsequent five starts with an 8.39 ERA and 1.78 WHIP, allowing fewer than four earned just once. Since the start of 2018, his 4.64 ERA is 71st among 85 starters with at least 190 innings while the 1.40 WHIP is 8th-highest. He’s just not the same guy who was a workhorse strikeout monster from 2014-17.
Sure, he had low-4.00s ERAs in 2016 (4.02) and 2017 (4.07), but 482 combined strikeouts and a usable 1.25 WHIP kept him firmly in top 40 starters, though admittedly he was overdrafted compared to his final season rank. My point is that his struggles are relatively new. Trying to loop in ’16 or ’17 and say he’s been bad for years is just wrong.
I’m almost starting to sound like I’m arguing against myself. I’m not, but I just want to be clear about how long Archer has been a net negative. It’s been a year-plus, but it’s been really bad and I’m not seeing a lot reason for hope. If he didn’t have the name value of being “Chris Archer”, his stock might be even further in the tank. For now, I need a strong two-start slate to even consider him in a given week. I’m not even sure he’s a hold in NL-only leagues right now.
Marco Gonzales, SEA | -43 to 90th
What an absolute meltdown. After a strong April capped off by seven shutout innings against Texas with a season-high nine strikeouts, Gonzales has fallen apart. He has added more than two runs to his ERA from 2.80 in April to 4.89 now thanks to a 7.79 ERA in his last seven starts.
Hilariously, his only two good starts during the run have happened at the Yankees and Rangers. He was smashed by the Cubs, Red Sox (in Boston), Twins, Rangers, and Angels. That’s a really difficult run with all of them sitting in the top 10 of wRC+ against righties. He gets the Angels and Twins in his next two starts, both on the road.
Ed. note: Accidentally mentioned righty info for Gonzales, a lefty. Here’s how those teams stack up v. lefties in wRC+:
- CHC: 10th
- BOS: 16th
- MIN: 2nd
- TEX: 22nd
- LAA: 14th
Not as difficult of a schedule, but still only one team in the bottom third of the league.
The schedule could lighten up and bring Gonzales back into focus in shallower leagues, but for now I’m staying far away. One of the biggest issues with Gonzales is that he doesn’t have any strikeouts to fall back on, so he needs to ratios in check to be valuable.
Marcus Stroman, TOR | -22 to 83rd
Stroman put up 36 strikeouts in 37.7 innings during April. His newly found 11% swinging strikeout rate supported his 24% K rate, but it was short-lived. Stroman fell all the way back to a 14% mark in May (plus 1 June start), losing three ticks off his swinging strike rate. He is still toting a 2.84 ERA on the season, but the 1.30 WHIP makes it tough to truly believe.
He’s a true talent high-3.00s/low-4.00s guy without the strikeouts and there’s no real reason to believe April was anything but a good month. All that said, this was a move within the same tier so I was already prepared for some pullback from Stroman, even after a 1.43 ERA and the big strikeout rate in April.
Joe Musgrove, PIT | -20 to 49th
He couldn’t have had more disparate months. He had a 1.54 ERA/0.89 WHIP combo in April with a healthy 18% K-BB rate. In May, he had an 8.10 ERA/1.67 WHIP with just a 6% K-BB rate. Perhaps the craziest part of his month was that it actually included seven one-hit innings of shutout ball in Arizona on May 14th. While none of his pitches worked consistently, his fastball was especially worthless. No one had a worse fastball pitch value than Musgrove’s -7.4 in May.
His schedule wasn’t doing him any favors with the A’s, Cardinals, Dodgers, and Brewers crushing him. All four of those teams are top half in wRC+ against righties with the Dodgers being 1st at 122. But his schedule wasn’t easy in April and he came out looking great, including a start at the Dodgers (6.7 IP, 1 ER – 3 total runs). I’m still looking at him as a mid-to-high 3.00s talent and there’s still strikeout upside here, though we only see it in flashes as his gamelog is still dotted with 1, 1, 3, and 4-strikeout outings. I’m still keeping him in my lineup more often than not and even open to buying at a discount.
As a frequent reader I know how much you like Musgrove. I do think he finds it one year, but I think 49 is way too high for his current self.
and then he pitches into the 9th vs ATL.
So 6ks and 3er over 8+ ceiling doesn’t seem like anything too impressive. I’d have him around 80-100.
He has several starts better than that so I’m not sure why that’d be his ceiling. I keep a close eye on Musgrove and will be open to lowering him if he continues to fall short of my expectations, but he had a brilliant April, wretched May, and so we’ll see where he goes in June. My league counts beatdowns of Josh Donaldson so I was close to a big score the other night!
Do you see an innings limit for D. German?
If so…whereabouts?
I don’t know if an innings limit is going to be an issue for Domingo, I think it will be more of dealing with the cleanup with the crap finally hits the fan. He is like that angry kid in the back of the classroom, you know the inevitable meltdown is coming, its just a matter of when and how bad. I’ve been enjoying his run to start the season but the wheels have got to be coming off soon….
wow, thanks for the downvotes, appreciate it
It’s probably because you made some claim about German seriously regressing without citing anything to back it up, other than some lame metaphor.
What is there to cite? There’s a lot of folks saying the same thing across a lot of baseball communities on the web, he’s pitching great now but lots of questions on how long he can sustain it. Sorry we can’t all be expert level analysts like you
Why are there questions on how long he can sustain it? Just elaborate on it for once other than just repeating how you think he’s going to fall off a cliff. Is it his peripherals? Is it his health? Declining velocity? Just back it up with something.
His FIP and xFIP are even with his ERA, talent has never been an issue with him, the risk is of injury. You might quibble with his low babip, but everything else looks legit. You might want to start ignoring “baseball communities” focused on gut feelings.
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Now you finally got your point across.
Questioning if he can sustain a .250ish BABIP is not a quibble, especially for a fly ball pitcher in Yankee Stadium. There is not all that much different in his underlying stats from the pitcher we saw in 85 innings last year to say that this a step forward in performance. His xFIP is nearly the same and his FB is down 1mph. In another pitcher, we would all be calling on regression to rear it’s head.
Why wouldn’t a flyball pitcher sustain a low BABIP? You know home runs aren’t counted in BABIP right? More home runs in a small field like Yankee stadium wouldn’t have any effect on BABIP. Also his HR/FB% is the same as it was last year.
I love the rankings, and while I do think you nailed it on Pivetta (#58), his last 10.2 innings (out of 11 since his recall), he has 4 hits, 0 runs, and 15 K vs Stl and LAD. Dude might have figured something out in AAA. I merely mention since you can’t do a deep dive on everyone, as you stated.
He is someone I’m keeping a close eye on and will be primed to boost him for July if he performs in line with the lofty expectations the market placed on him this March. Good name to mention for sure.
I am a lifetime M’s fan but I have stayed away from Marco since his late season stumbles last year. He is just not quite dominating enough consistently to be considered anything more than a spot starter. Musgrove has been maddening. Sometimes he looks just like the stud that was the centerpiece of the Gerrit Cole deal, and other times he looks like Mike Leake. I’ve been a big fan for the last couple years, even when he was coming up with the ‘Stros but just this week I finally had enough and traded him off.
As a Rays’ fan, I can tell you: Archer is finished. That’s why they traded him. Welcome Meadows and Glasnow.
Is Archer really washed up? Or just being hurt by poor pitch selection?
Looking at Brooks Baseball (for the month of May), he’s doing okay with his four seamer, change and slider (whiff rates of 6.74, 18.87 and 18.66 respectively). Not one of his curves was missed the entire month—though he didn’t use it very often.
The sinker is mediocre at 6.90 whiff %.
Delving deeper and looking at the ISO against his four most commonly used pitches shows that the sinker is getting hammered: .462. By comparison, the ISO against the four seamer, the change and the slider is .250, .200 and .171 respectively. Obviously, the ISO against his four seamer isn’t desirable but .462 is brutal.
May is a SSS to measure anybody, but if I’m Archer I’m ditching that sinker for now and concentrating on the other three pitches.
I don’t know if Archer is finished, but in this context “As a Rays’ fan” doesn’t read like ‘I have more information,’ it reads like ‘I have less objectivity.’
I hate to be “that guy”, but Marco Gonzales is a lefty. Was the top ten against righties a typo or the wrong stat?
No, no, be that guy. I goofed!
Musgrove’s velocity has been down all year. I wish I had sold in April but couldn’t get “fair value”. Woof.
I have a lot of respect anyone who puts out rankings and then is willing to discuss them in the comments. Being judged for every opinion that you have on over a hundred different players is a lot of scrutiny to open yourself up to.
With that in mind, being willing to say “I botched this one” every once in a while is a move that takes a lot of courage. I appreciate it when writers do things like that.
Ha I appreciate you acknowledging my comment about Folty. I hope it didn’t come off snarky as I was genuinely assuming that you might not have caught his last couple starts after his first few were dreadful. Most writers would have dropped their list and moved on, so I do applaud you for pointing a “misstep” (if you can even call it that), and willingness to openly discuss it!
Hey Paul how’s your LABR mixed team doing?
Paul, would you mind sharing your outlook on Bauer?
No strikeouts for Gonzo, and Seattle’s defense is absolutely dreadful. That’s a dangerous combo.
Ya I wish I’d have been more aware of their godawful defense coming into the season. I already knew about the Ks, of course, but you’re right that the defense makes it SOOOOO much worse.
Sigh….top two names on this list currently in my line-up.
Gonzales and Musgrove made multiple rosters of mine and I remember being bummed that I missed out on multiple Archer shares, lol.
As if the Archer robbery wasn’t looking bad enough already, Shane Baz has been terrific in his first 5 starts in the Midwest League. 25/14/4/7/32.