Fantasy Relevant Information from Saber Seminar

This past weekend, I attended the always incredible SaberSeminar in Boston. It was great time catching up with friends (Dave Cameron sighting) but also to take in some innovative ideas. I decided to share some fantasy applicable topics which were discussed.

Pitch Tunneling

Experimentally determining the “Commit Point” – Evaluating the time it takes a hitter to check his swing by William Clark and Joe Petrich

Pitch Tunneling, Pitch Calling and Expected Outcome: A Former Pitcher’s Perspective by Dan Blewett

Pitching tunneling was brought up several times by several speakers but these two came to the same conclusion. The reaction time for a batter to determine the pitch type may be less than previously calculated. It was thought that a hitter had around 225 ms to 275 ms to decide to swing. It’s possible that the time may be under 200 ms and the batter may be keying off the release point.

Also, if a pitcher is struggling, it might be worth looking over at his release point charts (example with Jon Gray). Make sure all the pitches are clustered together and haven’t been recent moving around.

Japanese pitcher velocity

Why Japanese (NPB) pitchers rely heavily on breaking and off-speed pitches, compared to their stateside counterparts (MLB) by Yusuke Okada, Yoshiki Masaki, and Kazuto Yamazaki

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Just one single data point stood out in this talk, the average fastball in Japan was 84 mph. This velocity is quite a bit less than the average for major Division-1 schools, let alone the majors. I talked to someone else who closely tracks NPB and he said the low velocity might be from there being many submariner pitchers. Later, I talked to one of the actual presenters, and he could think of just two or three knuckle-scrapers. Either way, the velocity quite a bit slower.

With it being down, I’d expect hitters to come over to MLB and possibly struggle with fastballs averaging 10 mph faster. Or they may not struggle but it is an item to consider.

League and park factors

The Most Likely Batter Contribution: Introducing Deserved Runs Created by Jonathan Judge

Within the next few weeks, Baseball Prospectus will be rolling out their latest all-encompassing stat, DRC+. It puts a hitter’s production on a 100 scale (like OPS+ or wRC+) and its results seem promising.

The one factor stated which improves its accuracy is a continuous in-season calculation of league and park factors. The timely park and league adjustments are important to consider when looking at projections and fantasy owner need to know when they are updated.

At FanGraphs, we are not going to any constantly updated park factors yet. The powers above my pay grade will make that decision.

Pitching Nuggets

Q&A with Red Sox Pitching Guru Brian Bannister

  • The amount of wrist snap has no effect on the spin rate. An arm’s velocity increases the downward torque on the ball and this torque and the resulting friction off the hand creates spin. Spin is almost always directly related to pitch velocity.
  • Healthy pitchers (Verlander and Scherzer) slowly slow their arm down after releasing the ball. He believes this leads to better pitcher health.
  • Single-A ball is an audition for Double-A and Triple-A ball. The hitters who can make it to Double-A can hit high-velocity pitches. Pitchers who just have a fast fastball will likely struggle in the high minors.
  • When a pitcher makes a change, it usually takes two to three games to take effect.

Complete Games = Injuries

Identifying and Managing Extrinsic Risk Factors of Shoulder and Elbow Injury in Baseball Pitchers by Lizzie Hibberd

The presenter noted that a pitcher’s DL chances increase after a complete game, especially if they don’t normally throw that many innings or pitches. I could see a team giving a pitcher the chance at a complete game shutout and the additional pitches lead to an injury. It’s something I’d like to dive into at a later date.

Shrinking minor league strike zone

Exploring Minor League Strike Zones by Nate Freiman

Using minor league Trackman data, he was able to determine the strike zone’s sides gets squeezed in by 10% from High-A to Double-A. The smaller zone a major factor for hitters and pitcher as both need to adjust. Hitters should see their plate discipline improve while pitcher may struggle with this advancement.

Pitcher Injury finder

Rescaling the 20-80 scale with Rap Score by Rohan Gupta and Seth Daniels

By using differences in pitch movement, release point, and velocity, they hoped they could find when pitchers struggled because of an injury. While in the past, I’ve used differences in each pitch, this approach creates a polygram for each factors, finds the distance around it, and then looks for differences. It’s a unique approach to getting the same answer.

More speed factors

A Deep Dive on Speed with Statcast Data by Travis Petersen, Eddie Elliott, Tom Tango, and Mike Petriello

The StatCast crew introduced a couple new speed components, Key Steps and Burst Speed. It’s the speed values when a batter first start accelerating out of the batter’s box. While it’ll likely help predict stolen base success or injury detection, the data is new. For a full explanation, scroll through the description at Baseball Savant.

Hitter variance

Is an all-or-nothing hitter the most valuable offensive asset? By Cameron Rogers

While it was not the focus of his presentation, I found one section on output variance useful. High power, high strikeout hitters have a high amount of output variance. While high contact, high walk hitters have much less of an output variance. Overall though, their output evens out as the sample size increases.

Owners may want to target hitters based on their needs or desires. Does the owner want to know their batter will give them production near their cost? Or do they want to take a chance on a batter with more upside (and downside) potential.





Jeff, one of the authors of the fantasy baseball guide,The Process, writes for RotoGraphs, The Hardball Times, Rotowire, Baseball America, and BaseballHQ. He has been nominated for two SABR Analytics Research Award for Contemporary Analysis and won it in 2013 in tandem with Bill Petti. He has won four FSWA Awards including on for his Mining the News series. He's won Tout Wars three times, LABR twice, and got his first NFBC Main Event win in 2021. Follow him on Twitter @jeffwzimmerman.

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hahigginsMember since 2018
7 years ago

explain Khris Davis then /s

davemascera
7 years ago

“The amount of wrist snap has no effect on the spin rate. An arm’s velocity increases the downward torque on the ball and this torque and the resulting friction off the hand creates spin. Spin is almost always directly related to pitch velocity.”

Uh, what? Sure, it is, but there are clearly instances of guys who throw 89 that have the same spin as dudes throwing 95+ or more. The fact that Marco Estrada throws with more spin on his fastball than Shohei Ohtani shows clearly that directionality of the force has a bit more to do with what’s going on than just pure arm speed. Also, the more spin PER velocity, the more perceived movement you’re going to have. It’s very clearly the direction that the fingers push into the ball, whether that’s caused by the individual finger, the wrist, the arm angle, etc, that makes the distinction between a Shohei Ohtani and a Marco Estrada. Because what else could it be? Am I really to believe that Shohei Ohtani and Marco Estrada generate a remotely similar amount of arm action and that’s it? Maybe they do and Estrada simply “trades off” some of his arm speed for spin? But if so, wouldn’t his release have everything to do with it? I’m just skeptical of this statement.

Verlander throws harder than a lot of guys, but there are also guys that throw as hard as him or harder and don’t get that spin. More interestingly, there are guys that don’t get that vertical spin that causes “rise,” but have that extreme horizontal movement like Garrett Richards. What I’m interested in is finding out why this is, which is why I’m disappointed by a statement like this.

evo34Member since 2023
7 years ago

LOL, Jonathan Judge. He — and others at BP — created a black box metric called DRA, never showed it had any predictive value, and declared it champion of all pitching metrics. Can’t wait to see the spin on DRC…

stever20Member since 2017
7 years ago

I do wonder if the park factor thing could be improved some. I mean from what I understand, right now we’re using 2017 factors in calculations. If that’s the case, I think that’s wrong. We have 2/3 of the 2018 season where you could use those factors. Parks can and do change. From ESPN- Texas/Colorado last 2 years prime examples
2017- Colorado 1.332, Texas 1.215
2018- Texas 1.372, Colorado 1.239

also would note Arizona has changed as well from 1.202 to 1.061.

What I think I would suggest is using a rolling 6 months average for the park factors. So right now it would be calculated on August/Septmeber last year, and then April-July this year. You still get the full year of data but you have this years numbers factored in as well.

bjoakMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  stever20

That is not how park factors work. You need a full season sample for accuracy. If you take half of one season and half of another you might have really easy home match-ups and really difficult away match-ups. Teams play opponents home and away in a more even distribution in one season.

Also, park factors appear to be erratic from season to season because they’re volatile and subject to outside factors (you may have noticed the weather where you live is not exactly the same every year). Projections and other calculations generally use a large sample. In testing I’ve found a five year regressed sample to be most accurate. They aren’t weighted and weighting doesn’t help because the amount that recent data is more predictive than data from five years ago is negligible.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
7 years ago

I keep clicking on those bolded titles and they keep not being hyperlinks and I keep being sad 🙁

p00gs
7 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I kept clicking even when I knew it wouldnt be a link