Erasmo Ramirez Is Coming
Erasmo Ramirez is coming. Last year, the changeup was enough to star in Orgazmo. This year, there have been some bumps in the road. Just how sexy will he be for mixed leaguers isn’t quite so obvious.
Because of iffy strikeout rates in the minor leagues, the projection systems don’t like like Erasmo. A below-average strikeout rate, buffeted by a below-average ground ball rate, can only last so long on the stamina provided by an above-average walk rate. And of course, in the meantime, Ramirez lost his best asset: the comfy soft pillow of a home park that SafeCo used to be. Still, Seattle is cold, and home runs suffer shrinkage in cold weather. Perhaps SafeCo provides enough comfort that we can take the under on Ramirez’ Steamer-projected 1.04 home runs per nine. He never had a homer problem, even in the PCL.
Still, take a few homers out of the equation, and those projections still don’t allure. And yet we have this changeup. That’s a heck of a change piece. Last year, he had as much x-movement on the pitch as Fernando Rodney did. And while Rodney throws 96 with an 84 mph change, Ramirez throws 93 with an 81 mph change — and has control. That’s some good motion of the ocean.
Since a changeup has either no platoon split or a reverse one, Ramirez is in a good position with only his fastballs and his changeup. He has a legitimate curve and slider combo that he can use against same-handed hitters. Well, the curve may fall by the bedside as he ages. Right now, it’s just a change of speed, as it goes 78 mph, since it doesn’t get whiffs, grounders, or strikes like the rest of his pitches. Maybe he should focus on the slider, which looks about average in most respects. An average slider, that ridiculous changeup, and 93 with two fastballs seems like a decent arsenal.
So why the disconnect between looks and performance? Maybe he just needs to learn the intricacies of his game. He actually has a reverse platoon split right now — his strikeout rate has jumped in both the majors and minors against lefties, and some changeups have reverse splits, so that wouldn’t be strange. The slider isn’t great, but if he throws the curve less, and tightens that primary breaking pitch, he can have a weapon against same-handed hitters. He’s already doing some of this, since he throws his slider twice as much as his change against righties.
But the real reason we may not have seen this coming is hidden velocity spike. Ramirez was more high eighties/low nineties when he first signed with the team. Last year, he averaged 93 on the heater. That creates more separation between his hard and soft stuff.
So let’s turn on the rotating bed and the rosy lava lamps and take the over on the projected strikeout rates. With those whiffs, that fastball, and great control, Ramirez can probably repeat his 20-ish % strikeout rate, which is well above the 18.2% strikeout rate that AL starters were showing as a group last year. He likes the high heat, so the fly balls won’t go away, but his park will do enough to mitigate that damage.
Now that I’ve got you all hot and bothered, I’ll leave you with an attractive list. This year’s qualified American League starting pitchers that have struck out more than 18.5% of the batters they’ve seen while walking fewer than 8%. If you limit it to pitchers that also gave up less than a home run per game, the list gets even sexier, so I sorted it for that stat.
| Name | IP | K% | BB% | ERA | FIP | HR/9 | BABIP | GB% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Derek Holland | 118.2 | 23.0% | 6.5% | 3.19 | 2.86 | 0.61 | 0.326 | 40.5% |
| Chris Sale | 113.1 | 27.3% | 5.6% | 2.78 | 2.81 | 0.71 | 0.263 | 46.0% |
| Felix Hernandez | 130.2 | 26.3% | 5.0% | 2.69 | 2.70 | 0.76 | 0.314 | 50.4% |
| Max Scherzer | 123.2 | 30.6% | 6.1% | 3.06 | 2.62 | 0.80 | 0.266 | 40.2% |
| James Shields | 122.2 | 21.3% | 7.0% | 3.23 | 3.55 | 0.88 | 0.293 | 43.0% |
| Rick Porcello | 91.1 | 19.4% | 5.0% | 4.93 | 3.56 | 0.99 | 0.321 | 56.5% |
| Jose Quintana | 100 | 18.7% | 7.2% | 3.69 | 3.87 | 0.99 | 0.265 | 44.4% |
| Jon Lester | 119.1 | 19.4% | 8.2% | 4.60 | 4.12 | 1.06 | 0.305 | 49.0% |
| Jeremy Hellickson | 111.2 | 19.6% | 5.7% | 4.67 | 3.83 | 1.13 | 0.293 | 40.4% |
| Yu Darvish | 119.1 | 32.5% | 8.5% | 3.02 | 3.23 | 1.13 | 0.260 | 43.9% |
| Ervin Santana | 118 | 20.0% | 5.1% | 2.90 | 3.93 | 1.22 | 0.252 | 47.6% |
| Miguel Gonzalez | 94.1 | 18.6% | 8.3% | 3.63 | 4.42 | 1.24 | 0.257 | 39.5% |
| John Lackey | 93.1 | 22.9% | 4.9% | 2.80 | 3.70 | 1.25 | 0.286 | 50.6% |
| Hisashi Iwakuma | 121.1 | 22.4% | 3.9% | 2.60 | 3.66 | 1.26 | 0.224 | 46.5% |
| CC Sabathia | 124 | 20.7% | 5.1% | 4.06 | 3.92 | 1.31 | 0.294 | 45.3% |
| A.J. Griffin | 114.1 | 19.4% | 5.7% | 3.94 | 4.26 | 1.42 | 0.255 | 32.8% |
| Phil Hughes | 95 | 19.4% | 6.2% | 4.55 | 4.36 | 1.42 | 0.305 | 29.8% |
| Joe Blanton | 103.1 | 19.0% | 4.1% | 5.14 | 4.27 | 1.57 | 0.349 | 45.0% |
With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.
I can’t tell if this is an endorsement or not…
I guess I could be more definitive, but it’s all there. I mean, he’s a flawed guy with a great pitch. I like him. Better than Quintana, for example. Ceiling is probably Shieldsian. Floor about what Lester is doing now, but I don’t see why the ERA should be so high.
What makes him flawed?
The curve sucks and the slider is meh. Also, high fastballs are iffy in homer-happy parks.
Lester, Darvish and Gonzalez need removing from that list.
You could put an upper bound on the K% if you wanted. It would be a pretty big departure for him to even strike out 23% like Holland. That would remove Holland, Darvish, Sale, Felix and Scherzer. Which seems about right. Doubt he’s one of them unless his slider has gotten better.
How do you feel ROS about Erasmo vs. Wheeler vs. Gerrit Cole?
As in, should I give up one of those guys for Erasmo?
(non-keeper league)
I’d give up Wheeler. As Mets fan I like him long-term, but he’s having command and control issues right now, and Erasmo does not have that problem.
I’d go Erasmo, Cole, Wheeler. I don’t really like Wheeler’s iffy control…sad to say, since I am also a Mets fan.
Is Taijuan Walker next?
Unless they want to let him watch the games up close in September, I don’t think we see Walker until after Super 2 next year.
Worth dropping Cashner, Kluber or Cingrani for him?
Cashner is most valuable for home starts but that K rate is weak. I’d rank ’em Kluber/Ramirez/Cingrani, slight edge to Kluber for his upside and service to date; slight edge over Cingrani due to managerial bias. 😉
SimonSays don’t let him eat dust on your bench for 3 weeks like I did patiently waiting.
Why are you doing this?
“Last year, the changeup was enough star in Orgazmo.” i don’t understand this sentence
Orgazmo is a movie about pornography. Eno thinks the pitch is sexy. Let me know if you need more clues.
enough *to* star
i actually think there’s probably two words missing, like *sexy* enough *to* star in orgazmo or something like that
one missing word i probably wouldn’t bother to say anything, but with two you kinda have to put your eyes in four-wheel drive to get over the sentence.
i’m not claiming moral superiority here, just thought they might want to fix it. i would
The ‘to’ was just a mistake, put it in. Lefty sexy out because this post is dripping with sexy and I didn’t want to use the word again.
Erasmo rhymes with Orgasmo. Motifs have been created on flimsier material than this in the past.
do you guys really not see what i’m getting at
I think we’ve had enough.
enough what
How can anyone possibly concentrate on the numbers with that alluring sexual motiff?
Eno you stole my thunder!
But I am a fan of Erasmo Ramirez. I am a fan of awesome change-ups, and his strikeout rate has been increasing, so let’s see if that continues.
Given the importance of his velocity spike: what have his speeds been in the last few games in AAA?
92-94 according to Ryan Divish https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/354722602461302785
Who’d you rather have out of Erasmo, Porcello, or Kluber in a league that counts QS and K/BB?
I keep seeing these odes to Erasmo’s control. Then I keep seeing the six walks to go along with the seven hits that he gave up in his last 5.1-inning minor-league start.
And I say this as someone who has had him stashed for the last three weeks waiting for this call-up.
Well, it’s one game vs. what he’s done over the course of his career.
Hellickson.
nuff said
I also suffer shrinkage in cold weather.
Is he really more than a high end home park streamer in a 10 team (like at least half of your k% limited list)? Seattle’s offense, defense and ROS schedule aren’t going to do him any favors. Right rank: Kluber, Nolasco, Kennedy, Erasmo, Porcello?
I considered Erasmo Ramirez and Dan Straily last night in my 12 team mixer. Then Erasmo got sniped from the FA pool and the decision was made for me…It worked out with Straily posting an excellent line. Ramirez was impressive last year, but a few things gave me pause. 1. Even a shorthanded Red Sox offense represents a difficult first test. 2. Ramirez has struggled in recent starts, including 6 BBs in his last appearance (I feel Seattle erred in neglecting to promote Ramirez following back-to-back shutouts on June 8th and 13th). 3. The dimensions at Safeco Field have changed, with the walls moving in considerably during the off season.
I see his name in a future MASH Report PAIN write up.
Not buying yet for the following reasons:
1)First start is likely against Boston, the top OPS team in the league.
2)He plays in the AL and SEA resides in second best hitting division(LAA, TEX and OAK are all very tough top 12 OPS teams)
3)The 2nd half schedule is chock full of the top hitting AL East teams(TBx2, BOS again, TOR and BAL) + DET and STL.
If he is good enough to post usable numbers in a 12 team league against thus upcoming schedule I will be shocked.
wow that’s a tough schedule
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
10 changeups last night, 2 for strikes…
Control seemed to be the main issue, all over the place with his command.
Thoughts?