Erasmo Ramirez Is Coming

Erasmo Ramirez is coming. Last year, the changeup was enough to star in Orgazmo. This year, there have been some bumps in the road. Just how sexy will he be for mixed leaguers isn’t quite so obvious.

Because of iffy strikeout rates in the minor leagues, the projection systems don’t like like Erasmo. A below-average strikeout rate, buffeted by a below-average ground ball rate, can only last so long on the stamina provided by an above-average walk rate. And of course, in the meantime, Ramirez lost his best asset: the comfy soft pillow of a home park that SafeCo used to be. Still, Seattle is cold, and home runs suffer shrinkage in cold weather. Perhaps SafeCo provides enough comfort that we can take the under on Ramirez’ Steamer-projected 1.04 home runs per nine. He never had a homer problem, even in the PCL.

Still, take a few homers out of the equation, and those projections still don’t allure. And yet we have this changeup. That’s a heck of a change piece. Last year, he had as much x-movement on the pitch as Fernando Rodney did. And while Rodney throws 96 with an 84 mph change, Ramirez throws 93 with an 81 mph change — and has control. That’s some good motion of the ocean.

Since a changeup has either no platoon split or a reverse one, Ramirez is in a good position with only his fastballs and his changeup. He has a legitimate curve and slider combo that he can use against same-handed hitters. Well, the curve may fall by the bedside as he ages. Right now, it’s just a change of speed, as it goes 78 mph, since it doesn’t get whiffs, grounders, or strikes like the rest of his pitches. Maybe he should focus on the slider, which looks about average in most respects. An average slider, that ridiculous changeup, and 93 with two fastballs seems like a decent arsenal.

So why the disconnect between looks and performance? Maybe he just needs to learn the intricacies of his game. He actually has a reverse platoon split right now — his strikeout rate has jumped in both the majors and minors against lefties, and some changeups have reverse splits, so that wouldn’t be strange. The slider isn’t great, but if he throws the curve less, and tightens that primary breaking pitch, he can have a weapon against same-handed hitters. He’s already doing some of this, since he throws his slider twice as much as his change against righties.

But the real reason we may not have seen this coming is hidden velocity spike. Ramirez was more high eighties/low nineties when he first signed with the team. Last year, he averaged 93 on the heater. That creates more separation between his hard and soft stuff.

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So let’s turn on the rotating bed and the rosy lava lamps and take the over on the projected strikeout rates. With those whiffs, that fastball, and great control, Ramirez can probably repeat his 20-ish % strikeout rate, which is well above the 18.2% strikeout rate that AL starters were showing as a group last year. He likes the high heat, so the fly balls won’t go away, but his park will do enough to mitigate that damage.

Now that I’ve got you all hot and bothered, I’ll leave you with an attractive list. This year’s qualified American League starting pitchers that have struck out more than 18.5% of the batters they’ve seen while walking fewer than 8%. If you limit it to pitchers that also gave up less than a home run per game, the list gets even sexier, so I sorted it for that stat.

Name IP K% BB% ERA FIP HR/9 BABIP GB%
Derek Holland 118.2 23.0% 6.5% 3.19 2.86 0.61 0.326 40.5%
Chris Sale 113.1 27.3% 5.6% 2.78 2.81 0.71 0.263 46.0%
Felix Hernandez 130.2 26.3% 5.0% 2.69 2.70 0.76 0.314 50.4%
Max Scherzer 123.2 30.6% 6.1% 3.06 2.62 0.80 0.266 40.2%
James Shields 122.2 21.3% 7.0% 3.23 3.55 0.88 0.293 43.0%
Rick Porcello 91.1 19.4% 5.0% 4.93 3.56 0.99 0.321 56.5%
Jose Quintana 100 18.7% 7.2% 3.69 3.87 0.99 0.265 44.4%
Jon Lester 119.1 19.4% 8.2% 4.60 4.12 1.06 0.305 49.0%
Jeremy Hellickson 111.2 19.6% 5.7% 4.67 3.83 1.13 0.293 40.4%
Yu Darvish 119.1 32.5% 8.5% 3.02 3.23 1.13 0.260 43.9%
Ervin Santana 118 20.0% 5.1% 2.90 3.93 1.22 0.252 47.6%
Miguel Gonzalez 94.1 18.6% 8.3% 3.63 4.42 1.24 0.257 39.5%
John Lackey 93.1 22.9% 4.9% 2.80 3.70 1.25 0.286 50.6%
Hisashi Iwakuma 121.1 22.4% 3.9% 2.60 3.66 1.26 0.224 46.5%
CC Sabathia 124 20.7% 5.1% 4.06 3.92 1.31 0.294 45.3%
A.J. Griffin 114.1 19.4% 5.7% 3.94 4.26 1.42 0.255 32.8%
Phil Hughes 95 19.4% 6.2% 4.55 4.36 1.42 0.305 29.8%
Joe Blanton 103.1 19.0% 4.1% 5.14 4.27 1.57 0.349 45.0%





With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

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ashtray
13 years ago

I can’t tell if this is an endorsement or not…

Steve
13 years ago
Reply to  Eno Sarris

What makes him flawed?

34blindkids
13 years ago

Lester, Darvish and Gonzalez need removing from that list.

Luke
13 years ago

How do you feel ROS about Erasmo vs. Wheeler vs. Gerrit Cole?

As in, should I give up one of those guys for Erasmo?

Luke
13 years ago
Reply to  Luke

(non-keeper league)

FeslenR
13 years ago
Reply to  Luke

I’d go Erasmo, Cole, Wheeler. I don’t really like Wheeler’s iffy control…sad to say, since I am also a Mets fan.

FeslenR
13 years ago

Is Taijuan Walker next?

Sean
13 years ago
Reply to  FeslenR

Unless they want to let him watch the games up close in September, I don’t think we see Walker until after Super 2 next year.

teez
13 years ago

Worth dropping Cashner, Kluber or Cingrani for him?

shibboleth
13 years ago
Reply to  teez

Cashner is most valuable for home starts but that K rate is weak. I’d rank ’em Kluber/Ramirez/Cingrani, slight edge to Kluber for his upside and service to date; slight edge over Cingrani due to managerial bias. 😉

SimonSays
13 years ago

SimonSays don’t let him eat dust on your bench for 3 weeks like I did patiently waiting.

Giovani
13 years ago
Reply to  SimonSays

Why are you doing this?

wily moMember since 2020
13 years ago

“Last year, the changeup was enough star in Orgazmo.” i don’t understand this sentence

Giovani
13 years ago
Reply to  wily mo

Orgazmo is a movie about pornography. Eno thinks the pitch is sexy. Let me know if you need more clues.

shibboleth
13 years ago
Reply to  Giovani

enough *to* star

wily moMember since 2020
13 years ago
Reply to  Giovani

i actually think there’s probably two words missing, like *sexy* enough *to* star in orgazmo or something like that

one missing word i probably wouldn’t bother to say anything, but with two you kinda have to put your eyes in four-wheel drive to get over the sentence.

i’m not claiming moral superiority here, just thought they might want to fix it. i would

Dingbat
13 years ago
Reply to  wily mo

Erasmo rhymes with Orgasmo. Motifs have been created on flimsier material than this in the past.

wily moMember since 2020
13 years ago
Reply to  wily mo

do you guys really not see what i’m getting at

Fedee_
13 years ago
Reply to  wily mo

I think we’ve had enough.

wily mo
13 years ago
Reply to  wily mo

enough what

What's Happening in my Pants?
13 years ago

How can anyone possibly concentrate on the numbers with that alluring sexual motiff?

MigsMember since 2020
13 years ago

Eno you stole my thunder!

But I am a fan of Erasmo Ramirez. I am a fan of awesome change-ups, and his strikeout rate has been increasing, so let’s see if that continues.

jason shure
13 years ago

Given the importance of his velocity spike: what have his speeds been in the last few games in AAA?

Dingbat
13 years ago

Who’d you rather have out of Erasmo, Porcello, or Kluber in a league that counts QS and K/BB?

JayBook
13 years ago

I keep seeing these odes to Erasmo’s control. Then I keep seeing the six walks to go along with the seven hits that he gave up in his last 5.1-inning minor-league start.

And I say this as someone who has had him stashed for the last three weeks waiting for this call-up.

Alex Eisenberg
13 years ago
Reply to  JayBook

Well, it’s one game vs. what he’s done over the course of his career.

mario mendoza
13 years ago

Hellickson.

mario mendoza
13 years ago
Reply to  mario mendoza

nuff said

Teez
13 years ago

I also suffer shrinkage in cold weather.

Jack
13 years ago

Is he really more than a high end home park streamer in a 10 team (like at least half of your k% limited list)? Seattle’s offense, defense and ROS schedule aren’t going to do him any favors. Right rank: Kluber, Nolasco, Kennedy, Erasmo, Porcello?

James
13 years ago

I considered Erasmo Ramirez and Dan Straily last night in my 12 team mixer. Then Erasmo got sniped from the FA pool and the decision was made for me…It worked out with Straily posting an excellent line. Ramirez was impressive last year, but a few things gave me pause. 1. Even a shorthanded Red Sox offense represents a difficult first test. 2. Ramirez has struggled in recent starts, including 6 BBs in his last appearance (I feel Seattle erred in neglecting to promote Ramirez following back-to-back shutouts on June 8th and 13th). 3. The dimensions at Safeco Field have changed, with the walls moving in considerably during the off season.

Nodlew
13 years ago

I see his name in a future MASH Report PAIN write up.

Phil Rupp
13 years ago

Not buying yet for the following reasons:
1)First start is likely against Boston, the top OPS team in the league.
2)He plays in the AL and SEA resides in second best hitting division(LAA, TEX and OAK are all very tough top 12 OPS teams)
3)The 2nd half schedule is chock full of the top hitting AL East teams(TBx2, BOS again, TOR and BAL) + DET and STL.

If he is good enough to post usable numbers in a 12 team league against thus upcoming schedule I will be shocked.

jorgesca
13 years ago
Reply to  Phil Rupp

wow that’s a tough schedule

jfree
13 years ago

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

NotoriousGmanMember since 2024
13 years ago

10 changeups last night, 2 for strikes…
Control seemed to be the main issue, all over the place with his command.

Thoughts?