Early ADPs in the Outfield
Sometimes, short and simple is the best way to go. As Sly and the Family Stone said — “Thank You Falletinme Mice Elf Again”… no it was “Sing a Simple Song” — sometimes it’s just about the ABCs, or in this case the ADPs. Let’s look at some Average Draft Positions for outfielders in the early going. We know some drafts start in February, and we know that at least 607 drafts have been completed at Mock Draft Central, so let’s use their excellent knowledge to benefit our fantasy teams.
| Player | Pos | ADP | Earliest | Latest | Draft % | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Matt Kemp | OF | 1.74 | 1 | 7 | 100.00% |
| 2 | Jose Bautista | OF,3B | 4.35 | 1 | 55 | 100.00% |
| 3 | Justin Upton | OF | 8.79 | 3 | 19 | 100.00% |
| 4 | Jacoby Ellsbury | OF | 8.85 | 2 | 21 | 100.00% |
| 5 | Carlos Gonzalez | OF | 14.25 | 6 | 21 | 100.00% |
| 6 | Curtis Granderson | OF | 19.43 | 10 | 66 | 100.00% |
| 7 | Mike Stanton | OF | 23.17 | 9 | 36 | 100.00% |
| 8 | Andrew McCutchen | OF | 26.57 | 15 | 39 | 100.00% |
| 9 | Ryan Braun | OF | 28.22 | 8 | 73 | 100.00% |
| 10 | Josh Hamilton | OF | 30.42 | 19 | 213 | 100.00% |
| 11 | Matt Holliday | OF | 38.3 | 23 | 357 | 100.00% |
| 12 | Jay Bruce | OF | 40.54 | 26 | 70 | 100.00% |
| 13 | Carl Crawford | OF | 40.57 | 25 | 325 | 100.00% |
| 14 | Hunter Pence | OF | 44.55 | 27 | 125 | 100.00% |
| 15 | Nelson Cruz | OF | 49.37 | 29 | 77 | 100.00% |
| 16 | Desmond Jennings | OF | 56.09 | 23 | 99 | 100.00% |
| 17 | Michael Bourn | OF | 57.39 | 33 | 99 | 100.00% |
| 18 | Alex Gordon | OF | 61.89 | 35 | 93 | 100.00% |
| 19 | Shin-Soo Choo | OF | 65.36 | 43 | 121 | 100.00% |
| 20 | B.J. Upton | OF | 67.49 | 38 | 102 | 100.00% |
| 21 | Adam Jones | OF | 74.97 | 49 | 120 | 100.00% |
| 22 | Shane Victorino | OF | 75.12 | 49 | 225 | 100.00% |
| 23 | Drew Stubbs | OF | 81.15 | 56 | 122 | 100.00% |
| 24 | Corey Hart | OF | 89.8 | 54 | 233 | 100.00% |
| 25 | Lance Berkman | OF,1B | 91.14 | 47 | 323 | 100.00% |
| 26 | Brett Gardner | OF | 94.73 | 61 | 136 | 100.00% |
| 27 | Michael Cuddyer | OF,1B | 96.35 | 57 | 318 | 100.00% |
| 28 | Jayson Werth | OF | 99.5 | 67 | 448 | 100.00% |
| 29 | Cameron Maybin | OF | 101.98 | 76 | 142 | 100.00% |
| 30 | Ichiro Suzuki | OF | 104.77 | 71 | 293 | 100.00% |
| 31 | Jason Heyward | OF | 108.15 | 66 | 155 | 100.00% |
| 32 | Nick Swisher | OF | 124.08 | 83 | 454 | 100.00% |
| 33 | Chris Young | OF | 124.96 | 64 | 239 | 100.00% |
| 34 | Nick Markakis | OF | 126.45 | 71 | 470 | 100.00% |
| 35 | Andre Ethier | OF | 133.69 | 79 | -ND- | 99.80% |
| 36 | Peter Bourjos | OF | 134.96 | 102 | 206 | 100.00% |
| 37 | Carlos Beltran | OF | 137.08 | 85 | 423 | 100.00% |
| 38 | Logan Morrison | OF | 149.22 | 101 | 199 | 100.00% |
| 39 | Matt Joyce | OF | 154.98 | 119 | -ND- | 99.80% |
| 40 | Coco Crisp | OF | 156.54 | 113 | -ND- | 99.70% |
| 41 | Angel Pagan | OF | 171.06 | 131 | -ND- | 98.20% |
| 42 | Melky Cabrera | OF | 173.16 | 105 | -ND- | 99.20% |
| 43 | Austin Jackson | OF | 174.48 | 140 | -ND- | 97.70% |
| 44 | Torii Hunter | OF | 177.3 | 136 | -ND- | 97.50% |
| 45 | Jeff Francoeur | OF | 188.37 | 105 | -ND- | 95.40% |
| 46 | Carlos Lee | OF,1B | 190.47 | 141 | -ND- | 97.20% |
| 47 | Juan Pierre | OF | 190.5 | 149 | -ND- | 92.10% |
| 48 | Martin Prado | OF,3B | 190.82 | 113 | -ND- | 97.20% |
| 49 | Yoenis Cespedes | OF | 194.95 | 114 | -ND- | 93.60% |
| 50 | Josh Willingham | OF,DH | 195.33 | 137 | -ND- | 93.90% |
| 51 | Brandon Belt | OF,1B | 206.53 | 139 | -ND- | 90.10% |
| 52 | Vernon Wells | OF | 206.54 | 153 | -ND- | 87.80% |
| 53 | Mike Trout | OF | 208.7 | 115 | -ND- | 83.90% |
| 54 | Colby Rasmus | OF | 209.28 | 122 | -ND- | 85.70% |
| 55 | Carlos Quentin | OF | 212.26 | 128 | -ND- | 83.20% |
| 56 | Bryce Harper | OF | 212.9 | 92 | -ND- | 79.70% |
| 57 | Brennan Boesch | OF | 215.31 | 142 | -ND- | 75.80% |
| 58 | Alex Presley | OF | 217.15 | 211 | -ND- | 7.40% |
| 59 | Nyjer Morgan | OF | 217.95 | 203 | -ND- | 8.40% |
| 60 | Alex Rios | OF | 219.49 | 154 | -ND- | 71.20% |
| 61 | Dexter Fowler | OF | 222.6 | 167 | -ND- | 29.80% |
| 62 | Lorenzo Cain | OF | 222.92 | 184 | -ND- | 69.50% |
| 63 | Rajai Davis | OF | 223.78 | 216 | -ND- | 19.60% |
| 64 | Seth Smith | OF | 223.86 | 166 | -ND- | 67.70% |
| 65 | Alfonso Soriano | OF | 224.29 | 161 | -ND- | 24.20% |
| 66 | Jose Tabata | OF | 224.35 | 159 | -ND- | 32.80% |
| 67 | Michael Brantley | OF | 224.6 | 201 | -ND- | 60.30% |
| 68 | Alejandro DeAza | OF | 224.67 | 165 | -ND- | 62.80% |
| 69 | Domonic Brown | OF | 225.14 | 206 | -ND- | 21.10% |
| 70 | Delmon Young | OF | 225.15 | 162 | -ND- | 36.70% |
| 71 | Jason Bourgeois | OF | 225.62 | 172 | -ND- | 64.70% |
| 72 | John Mayberry | OF | 226.18 | 158 | -ND- | 61.60% |
| 73 | Jason Bay | OF | 226.74 | 169 | -ND- | 31.30% |
| 74 | Lucas Duda | OF,1B | 226.81 | 156 | -ND- | 71.00% |
| 75 | David Murphy | OF | 227.48 | 220 | -ND- | 5.60% |
| 76 | Chris Heisey | OF | 227.53 | 195 | -ND- | 54.40% |
| 77 | Grady Sizemore | OF | 227.93 | 152 | -ND- | 54.40% |
| 78 | Allen Craig | OF | 228 | 172 | -ND- | 48.60% |
| 79 | Jason Kubel | OF,DH | 228.24 | 180 | -ND- | 38.40% |
| 80 | Dayan Viciedo | OF | 228.3 | 199 | -ND- | 43.00% |
| 81 | Yonder Alonso | OF | 228.97 | 149 | -ND- | 50.20% |
| 82 | Ben Revere | OF | 228.98 | 169 | -ND- | 43.20% |
| 83 | J.D. Martinez | OF | 236.79 | 229 | -ND- | 7.90% |
| 84 | Nolan Reimold | OF | 237.82 | 230 | -ND- | 6.10% |
| 85 | Ryan Raburn | OF,2B | 239.33 | 213 | -ND- | 40.00% |
| 86 | Ryan Ludwick | OF | 253.33 | 245 | -ND- | 4.00% |
| 87 | Garrett Jones | OF,1B | 257.47 | 249 | -ND- | 3.10% |
| 88 | Cody Ross | OF | 261.6 | 253 | -ND- | 3.30% |
| 89 | Denard Span | OF | 265.74 | 257 | -ND- | 8.70% |
| 90 | Will Venable | OF | 265.74 | 257 | -ND- | 3.60% |
| 91 | Raul Ibanez | OF | 267.81 | 259 | -ND- | 3.60% |
| 92 | Bryan LaHair | OF | 268.84 | 260 | -ND- | 8.90% |
| 93 | Travis Snider | OF | 268.84 | 260 | -ND- | 2.80% |
| 94 | Luke Scott | OF | 270.91 | 262 | -ND- | 3.60% |
| 95 | Craig Gentry | OF | 281.25 | 272 | -ND- | 0.30% |
| 96 | Josh Reddick | OF | 286.42 | 277 | -ND- | 3.10% |
| 97 | Andres Torres | OF | 289.52 | 280 | -ND- | 3.10% |
| 98 | Jon Jay | OF | 292.62 | 283 | -ND- | 1.80% |
| 99 | Eric Thames | OF | 308.13 | 298 | -ND- | 3.50% |
| 100 | Jerry Sands | OF | 312.27 | 302 | -ND- | 2.60% |
| 101 | Chris Coghlan | OF | 326.74 | 316 | -ND- | 4.00% |
| 102 | Franklin Gutierrez | OF | 329.85 | 319 | -ND- | 2.80% |
| 103 | David DeJesus | OF | 337.08 | 326 | -ND- | 2.30% |
| 104 | Brent Lillibridge | OF,1B | 348.46 | 337 | -ND- | 2.50% |
| 105 | Marlon Byrd | OF | 354.66 | 343 | -ND- | 2.30% |
| 106 | Jordan Schafer | OF | 379.48 | 367 | -ND- | 0.50% |
| 107 | Norichika Aoki | OF | 388.78 | 376 | -ND- | 1.20% |
| 108 | Eric YoungJr. | OF | 399.12 | 386 | -ND- | 0.30% |
| 109 | Juan Rivera | OF,1B | 412.57 | 399 | -ND- | 1.80% |
| 110 | Brian Bogusevic | OF | 445.65 | 431 | -ND- | 1.00% |
| 111 | Gerardo Parra | OF | 455.99 | 441 | -ND- | 0.30% |
| 112 | Trevor Crowe | OF | 461.16 | 446 | -ND- | 0.70% |
Assorted thoughts!
* Ryan Braun around the 73rd pick? Yes please! At the 28th pick? When Josh Hamilton is there? Mmm, not so much. If you prorate Braun’s 2011 out to 112 games, you get something that looks a little bit like Hunter Pence plus a few steals, minus some runs and RBI. So I’ll take Braun, but I’d feel way better about it if it was in the fourth round. (Oh and Hunter Pence at #27? That’s buying into his late-season power surge way too much. The difference between Houston and Philly, in terms of parks, is just not enough to make up for the declining steals.)
* Holy variance Carl Crawford. The early (#25) is too early, but around #40, I’ll take a shot at a guy who could easily give you five-plus months of .280 10/50. Okay, maybe I want him towards the end of the fifth or the early sixth. Waiting until the tenth round, however, seems a little excessive. I would have jumped before #120, and the league where he went #325 must have had some straight Boston haters in it.
* Alex Gordon over Sin-Soo Choo? I dunno, it’s true that Choo had some high BABIPs over his career (.353 career), but it’s also true that Gordon had a high BABIP last year (.358), and I’ll take the guy who had 2000+ PAs of the higher BABIP over the guy that just found a nut. Give Gordon his career BABIP, and he’ll hit .270 with 20 homers and double digit steals. Give Choo his career BABIP, and he’ll hit .300 with 20 homers and double digit steals. The Royals offense is getting better, but is it that good?
* Corey Hart, Shane Victorino and Lance Berkman kinda all seem like sleepers where they are. I mean, they’re old(ish), but they’re all decent players. I’d take them all easily over Drew Stubbs, and probably even BJ Upton — at least in 5×5 leagues where his bad batting average undoes most of his other good work. Maybe people just don’t like Victorino, but he has power and speed and won’t usually put up a bad batting average. Maybe the 30-year-old Corey Hart doesn’t quite have the right body type and strikeout numbers to suggest he’ll age gracefully, but this isn’t the time for the cliff edge yet. Maybe Lance Berkman will turn into Fat Elvis again this year…
* I’ll take Jason Heyward before the ninth. For sure. I just did.
* Carlos Beltran will probably out-everything Andre Ethier next year. Then again, he could also easily out-DL him, but it’s not like Ethier comes in with a clean bill of health.
* Can I just say — again — that I love both Logan Morrison and Lucas Duda, but that the separation between them is too much. I did just take them, and I also think they’re both .280 25/80 type guys — the fact that Duda has more of a platoon split might be an issue, but the Mets will want their outfielder to be a full-time guy going forward, so they won’t hide him against all lefties.
* He’s a third baseman first, but Martin Prado shouldn’t be that low, should he? Even .280 15/5 at third base is going to be useful this year. And he could get that BABIP back up again and post another .300 season.
* People know that Josh Willingham hit 29 home runs last year and went to a nicer home park, right? And that he showed some pull power and batted ball distance that might suggest that he can keep his gains?
* If you’re going to bet on a sleeper in the outfield, I’d take the young guy on the team that needs offense (Brandon Belt) over the old guy on a team that has a bazillion outfielders (Vernon Wells). Even if that team is coached by Bruce Bochy.
* This is not ottoneu, but look how low Nyjer Morgan is. If you have a deep bench like they have in ottoneu, consider him. His platoon splits are a weakness, but they are also a strength — his playing time and production is predictable. Same for Seth Smith!
* Ben Revere might have a flawed game, but as a speedster, at that draft spot, he makes a great five-OF guy. Nolan Reimold finished the season strong, and his team needs him. He could be the more powerful sleeper in that tier.
* Once you get to the 90+ section, it gets ugly. I’ll take Will Venable as a lottery ticket — just in case his strikeout gains and some BABIP love make his batting average passable enough — and I guess Josh Reddick as a Jayson Werth-lite guy. Dan Wade’s not giving up on Travis Snider yet, so there’s another ticket for you. The other 20 players will probably combine to hit about .230 next year.
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I would assume the draft position of Braun is skewed by drafts that occurred before people were factoring in the suspension…
Do the AI picks count also? Every mock draft I’ve done he goes to a team without a real person in charge at just lower than his defalt rank.
not to deal in hearsay and wild allegations, but if the herp story for the hebrewer is true, what are the chances mlb reduces his suspension? i feel like that changes the expected value equation, if just a little.
also, if the aforementioned explanation is true, does this ease some of fantasy baseball’s collective fears? by that i mean, i tend to shy away from drafting players who put up great years and then who get busted for steroids…but if this really were an honest mistake, i’m obviously much more comfortable with him.
Don’t you have to add 50 games of replacement level performance to Braun’s stats? Yeah, the BA goes down, but that should significantly boost his value. Plus, if you play your cards right you could draft three good OFs and Braun then trade one when he comes back, right? Maybe that’s easier said than done, but it feels to me like Braun is getting undervalued (not on MDC but elsewhere) because people aren’t realizing that there will be someone else in his spot when he’s gone (Not to say that you don’t realize that, Eno, but other people might not).
Excellent analysis. I’ll throw Gutierrez out there as having perhaps .260/15/20 potential post 90.
I want to be in the league where Bautista fell to #55
And where Holliday fell to #357!
And thusly did we learn the stupidity of early ADP data.
Ben Zobrist???
I am a total Mike Stanton fanboy, have been for years since he was in the minors, but I can’t help but this he’s being overrated in these drafts, if it’s standard 5×5. If the league includes OPS/OBP, have at it, he’s worth the 22nd draft pick, but he’s not going to steal bases and he’s not going to hit 300. He is going to get more runs and RBIs, potentially a lot more RBIs, however it seems to me that his value is being assessed based on a hope that he breaks out and bashes 45 HRs this year. If I had my choice between Stanton and McCutchen, I’d probably take McCutchen–he’s a more rounded player.
I guess it just depends on how you think the new ballpark in Florida is going to play out (although when you’re putting as much hurt on the ball as Stanton does, it may not matter) and whether the league-wide power drought continues. If it does, and Stanton hits 45, he’s a god amongst men.
the wisconsin state journal recently ran an article that some insiders expect Braun to beat the rap. i’m thinking there’s at least a 35% chance he does so.
how do folks like chris heisey as a cheap source of power?
well the Ludwick signing complicates that a bit doesn’t it? seems like an NL-only sleeper at the moment.
Anyone want to do a Fangraphs reader mock draft sometime next week?
i’d be down 100%. hmu with details.
lsilverandblackl@yahoo.com
yes, set it up on mdc.
Cool, I’ll do that, probably tomorrow.
hey send me the link at enosarris at hotmail and I’ll put up a little post on it and send you a bunch of FanGraphs readers, aight? Then you can send us results and we can talk about it, if that’s fine with y’all.
Absolutely–set it up as 5×5 standard roto?
I’m in-lost_town@yahoo.com
im down as well, micreyes11@yahoo.com
Hey guys! I’m going to post tomorrow encouraging y’all to set up a mock, so look for a post around noon EST, and then you can use the comments to figure it all out. Thanks guys!
Back to work editing the Second Opinion.
cool!! did we decide on a format? 5×5 standard roto?
Oliver – I’d love to participate it you’re looking for mockers. gregwellemeyer [at] hotmail dot com
Me too, please!
apuma33@yahoo.com
Hey got you your own post for this. http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/rotographs-reader-mock-draft/
“BJ Upton — at least in 5×5 leagues where his bad batting average undoes most of his other good work.”
Don’t you have this backwards? In 5×5 his average counts towards 20% of all hitting categories and more diluted than in 4×4 where it counts towards 25%.
Speaking generally of course, but this statement was counter intuitive to me.
“If you prorate Braun’s 2011 out to 112 games, you get something that looks a little bit like Hunter Pence plus a few steals, minus some runs and RBI.”
When you add in 50 games of replacement level OF you end up with about Hamilton’s stats so it seems reasonable. The big difference is Hamilton will probably miss 30 games or so with an injury but you can’t predict when they will be, you know exactly when Braun will miss his time. There is also a chance that he plays the full season at this point. In H2H leagues his value also goes up which plays into ADP.
Each league is going to be different. In my roto league with no bench I’ll be taking Braun a lot later than his ADP. In my H2H league with pretty big benches and 2 UT slots I’ll be taking him very early, probably early 2nd round (though it is auction so obviously for 2nd round money).
Ellsbury’s metrics in 2011 were so out of line with his career numbers, it’s not even funny. He’d never slugged over .415 in anything close to a full season prior, then he slugged .554 last year! Never ISO’d over .155 at any point in the majors, then .230 last year. I’ll buy the AVG because he hits liners and makes good contact, but I’m expecting more like 15-18 HR.
I don’t quite understand the McCutchen love. His wOBAs for his first three seasons: .368, .363, .360. Uh, isn’t that trend supposed to be going the other way? The bags partly explain it, I guess, but #8 seems steep for a guy who’ll barely top 20 bombs.
Dunno what to do with Desmond Jennings – hit like a monster out of the gate, then faded terribly down the stretch.
Really like Victorino, Berkman, Pressley, Craig and Kubel.
Shocked to see that De Aza isn’t getting the sleeper love this season. I can see him contributing quite a bit. Still young and hitting his prime. Could see a very nice season from him.