Early ADP Thoughts – Outfield, Part I

As we continue our tour of the NFBC average draft data by position, I want to reiterate something I may have been unclear about early on: this isn’t a ranking list and as such, not every player will be mentioned. Additionally, every position header after these intros is a link to the ADP data of said position.

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OUTFIELD

I have to go two parts on outfield, it’s too robust. I’ll go first 50 today and then the rest in another piece.

  • For someone reason Mike Trout (pick 1) has a max pick of 2, meaning he was not taken first in a draft.
  • You are trying way too hard if you’re taking any hitter but Trout at #1. I can listen to the Kershaw #1 camp, especially since we’re not going into the season thinking there are upwards of 20 aces like last year.

  • It was Mookie Betts (2) who went first when Trout didn’t. It doesn’t show how many drafts, but I imagine it was just one.
  • Dropping 18 homers and hitting .243 cost Bryce Harper (10) a whopping eight picks on average from last year. I agree with this relatively scant drop and can see myself taking him as high as 8.
  • It’s not too surprising that Starling Marte (25) has played more than 135 games just once in that last four seasons given that he leads the league with 76 HBP. Not all of his DL stints and games missed to injury have come as a result of the HBPs, but he puts himself in harm’s way regularly.
  • Marte stole bases at a clip of 31 per 529 PA (his count for 2016), so for him to steal 47 was quite an anomaly that paired with a .380 BABIP to save his season. I’d be a little careful here.
  • George Springer (32) needed an MLB-high 744 PA to net 29 HR and 9 SB, something that Justin Upton (31 HR/9 SB, pick 84) and Hanley Ramirez (30 HR/9 SB, pick 86 at 1B) did in 626 and 620 PA, respectively. They both scored 81 runs to his 116, but they also drove in 87 and 111 to his 82. Just sayin’.
  • I love Springer the real life player, but Springer the fantasy player is probably overpriced, especially when Jackie Bradley Jr. (139) is available over 100 picks later on average. They just weren’t that different last year and they’re the same age.
  • Missing virtually all of 2016 has barely dented A.J. Pollock’s (36) price tag which isn’t too surprising given how rare his power-speed potential is these days. Even if he falls back to his projection of 16 HR/25 SB, he’d essentially be 2015 Lorenzo Cain (129).
  • You know that shitty person in your life who constantly flakes on you and the only thing you can count on from them is disappointment, yet you keep trying? That’s Giancarlo Stanton (39). Stop answering his texts so quickly.
  • Maybe see what J.D. Martinez (51) is up to instead. The last three seasons, he’s averaging .299/28/82 to Stanton’s .266/30/82. Stanton does have that obscene potential if he ever stayed healthy for a year, but Martinez’s career-high of 38 homers is better than Stanton’s at 37.
  • Waiting on Stanton to stay healthy feels like Troy Tulowitzki all over again, except at least Tulo showed us what the full season excellence looks like. Many are still tabbing Stanton for 50 HRs when he’s never hit 40!
  • That was painful to write because Stanton is among my favorite players to watch, but we need to look at him with a dose of reality, especially with the power boom diminishing his value.
  • I’m not shy about my fantasy dislike of Billy Hamilton (54), especially at his cost, but I will acknowledge his legitimate potential to be our first 80-SB guy since 1988 (Rickey Henderson and Vince Coleman).
  • Maybe I’m just lazy and don’t want to do the extra work with Hamilton. First, you have to draft differently to cover his deficiency in both batting average and power, and then if he does actually steal 80+ (or look like he’s pacing toward it by July or so), you have to figure out a trade because it’d be overkill in most leagues to get all of those SBs.
  • Christian Yelich (56) beat the odds and hit 21 HR despite the fourth-highest GB% in the league, thanks to a doubling of his HR/FB rate.
  • Yelich’s homers seemed to come at the expense of his speed (career-low 9 SB), but he also moved to the middle of the order and drove in 98 runs, so it was a net positive in the end.
  • I’m not sure he repeats the 24% HR/FB rate, but I can see him continuing to chisel at that GB% making him less reliant on a gaudy HR/FB rate. I’m buying… and not just because someone made this picture saying we look alike, which is very flattering to me and kinda mean to Yelich.
  • I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop on Mark Trumbo (61), but it never did and he led baseball with 47 HR. Yet, he’s team-less as of January 19th so maybe the league thinks the shoe drops in ’17?
  • Ian Desmond (63) has a .327 BABIP since 2010, 21st-best in the league among 123 qualified hitters (min. 3000 PA) and he’s going to Coors where the home team has a .340 BABIP in that same time, easily the league’s best mark (Fenway .327 is 2nd). Plus, his 4381 PA are 15th-most during that span.
  • He was 37th on the ESPN Player Rater last year. How is he not a top-50 pick? I’d take him ahead of some top-40 picks, including the aforementioned Springer. Desmond is hardly a prototypical 1B, but adding position eligibility is never a bad thing, especially in deep leagues.
  • If I had an early pick meaning I was drafting late in the fourth round, I’d be very interested in taking one of the teammate pairs available here: Desmond (63) & Carlos Gonzalez (66) or Gregory Polanco (67) and Andrew McCutchen (68).
  • If I had the 2nd pick in a draft, I’d like to try a Rockie-centric strategy with four of my first five picks coming from that team: nab Nolan Arenado (5) in the first, Joey Votto (28) and Trevor Story (32) with my 2nd/3rd combo, Desmond/Cargo in the 4th/5th, and then load up some pitching. Maybe only one pitcher in that 6th/7th combo with the other pick being DJ LeMahieu (89)?
  • Have you tried a full on Rockies strategy (for offense only, of course)? If so, did it work?
  • I’m not sure Cutch is toast or that ’16 is the beginning of his decline. He played through nagging injuries and still gave fantasy teams a playable 675 PA. Obviously previous injury is the best indicator of future injury, but with just a modicum of health late in the season, he looked a lot more like himself: .280/.372/.471 in his final 60 games.
  • Polanco never hit the DL, but played through four different nagging injuries (hamstring, shoulder, face, and neck) from July on which likely explains his .216 AVG in that time after a .299 through June. He might just be scratching the surface at 25 years old. Buy in bulk.
  • Maybe in my little pairing exercise from above, I’d rather just take one from each duo: Desmond and Polanco.
  • While I’m going bananas for everything Colorado, I might as well mention David Dahl (91), the only Rockie who is going at something of an inflated price given that he’s played all of 63 MLB games. Shiny New Toy Syndrome strikes again!
  • That said, it’s a shiny new toy I’m interested in. No, he won’t maintain that .404 BABIP, but he averaged 17 HR and 27 SB per 600 PA as a minor leaguer (1621 PA) and posted a .315/25 HR/32 SB season in 637 PA across three levels last year (AA, AAA, MLB). I’ll take .290/13/20 which I think he can even if he’s relegated to the strong side of a platoon.
  • Need a low AVG/big power outfielder? The 7th-8th round range has you covered. Take your pick of Khris Davis (99), Miguel Sano (111), and Jose Bautista (119).
  • Skip Matt Kemp (93) and just get Adam Jones (120) nearly two rounds later. Their last three seasons say the differences are negligible, plus Jones is a year younger and hasn’t been on the DL since 2009.
  • Better yet, skip both and take 26-year old Stephen Piscotty (131), who netted virtually the same $20ish value of the other two last year, but also carries some upside.
  • I’m not sure how both Odubel Herrera (125) and Lorenzo Cain (129) are going ahead of Adam Eaton (138). What he lacks in AVG, he’ll make up in runs over the pair. I don’t think that lasts all draft season.
  • I know they both topped 30 HR last year, but there’s no chance I’m taking Yasmany Tomas (146) and Adam Duvall (147) ahead of Joc Pederson (202), who is going nearly four rounds later. No. Chance.
  • Pederson has only stolen 10 bases in 1099 career PA, but I refuse to believe that’s all he’s got after 32 SB per 550 PA as a minor leaguer.
  • The difference in draft slot is far less egregious between Tomas/Duvall and Marcell Ozuna (165), but I’m just as adamant that there’s no way I’d take those two over him.
  • A June wrist injury curbed Ozuna’s breakout (.948 OPS before, .605 after). As such, I still think there’s more in store for the 26-year old.
  • I’m a sucker, I’ll no doubt get a share or three of Carlos Gomez (161) after his rejuvenation in Texas.
  • Ya know, if you extrapolate his massive 33-game sample in Texas, it’d be 40 HR and 25 SB with a .280/.362/.543 line… :awaits the flood of comments from people taking this part seriously:
  • Speaking of small samples, Byron Buxton’s (147) massive September (1.011 OPS, 9 HR) quickly made everyone forget his .561 OPS through August in 218 PA (which, of course, is also a tiny sample). Any sort of nice spring will boost his price another 20-30 picks.
  • A strained hamstring cost Ender Inciarte (193) the first month of the season and likely had some impact on his awful May (.216 AVG, .539 OPS), but he was even better than the strong 2015 version from June on with a .308/.363/.411 line in his final 470 PA (.303/.338/.408 in ’15). Could be a sneaky runs asset if the Braves are anywhere near their second half prowess all season.
  • A hand injury ate up nearly 50 games of Kevin Kiermaier’s (197) season, but he was nearing a 20 HR/30 SB pace.
  • If he can get back on track vR (.241 AVG, .718 OPS in ’16 after .274, .790 in ‘14-15) and hold some of his vL gains (career-best .262/.364/.452 line), then he could definitely chase down that 20/30 pace. I’m buying.
  • Keon Broxton (201) actually had a 20/50 pace, but it was in just 75 games and he needed a .373 BABIP to hit just .242. That said, he doesn’t need a 20/50 season to be well worth his pick slot. Is it impossible to envision him emulating Rajai Davis’ (238) 2016? Davis hit .249 with 12 HR and 43 SB last year.
  • Broxton needs to curb some of the swing-and-miss, but he has great speed, an excellent walk rate, and some legit punch heading into his age-27 season.
  • Nomar Mazara (205) is just one 11 players to hit 20+ HR at age-21 or younger since 2000 joining Trout, Harper, Stanton, Upton, Carlos Correa, Freddie Freeman, Albert Pujols, Adrian Beltre, Miguel Cabrera, and Ryan Zimmerman. That’s a helluva list.
  • In fairness, he did so in the season with the most 20-HR hitters ever and his .739 OPS was easily the lowest of the group, but even if you just look at players with that OPS or higher at 21 years or younger, he’s still part of a damn good list. Mazara doesn’t need to be great to pay off on the 205th pick, either. Buyyyyyy.
  • If I’m not giving up on Gomez, then you’d better believe I’m not even close to quitting Yasiel Puig (212), who is cheaper and younger. His OPS is on a straight downward trajectory and both hamstrings have wreaked havoc on his last two seasons, but the risk associated with those factors is built into the price.
  • Any measure of health should yield at least a .280-20-10 season for Puig and there’s still a tinge upside for something like a .300-30-15.

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It’s your turn! Who are your prime targets and favorite bargains at each of these positions? Anyone you’re avoiding?





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kdallas
9 years ago

I’ve had a lot of success with the all-COORS strategy in roto* (currently working on doing the same this year, looking to trade for Blackmon and/or Desmond to supplement my Story and Dahl keepers).

In H2H leagues of any sort, all-COORS gets tricky because of those all-away game weeks (particularly if it’s during H2H playoffs). In H2H, it’s probably best to diversify a little more (really like your Polanco / Desmond pairing) and aim primarily for COL guys who probably won’t deflate on the road.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
9 years ago
Reply to  kdallas

Agreed. The COORS strategy hinges on having capable backups to sub in for the COL players who are not terribly useful on the road. Personally, I like to work in marginal guys from other teams who play optimal offensive parks. Think Peralta, Tomas, and Ianetta from ARI, for example, or Domingo Santana and a non-Villar INF from MIL. All of those guys have warts that might push them out of an every day fantasy role, but if you can mix and match based on the park and the pitchers they face you should be able to have a +lineup most days.

kdallas
9 years ago

Also, really loving your takes on the bottom-end of this group. Last year, OF felt very shallow, but this year I’d be perfectly happy focusing on other needs (and maybe grabbing some AVG assets), then drafting 2 or 3 of Kiermaier/Broxton/Rajai/Mazara/Puig for my back end OFs/UTL slots. For all the scarcity of SBs, that’s a lot of cheap SBs with at least 10-20 HR power.

In OBP, I’ll definitely be targeting Broxton hard.

Sonny LMember since 2017
9 years ago

Snagged Joc, Ozuna & Myers last year relatively late in the first year of a dynasty so reaping 2+ years of solid return on dirt cheap (all drafted AFTER brock holt) investment. Love to target Broxton and Piscotty this season but OF is full.

Keirmaier gets underrated because people think of 1. his defense and 2. those eyessss and never bother to look into his legit useful fantasy profile.

Anyone else worried about Marte’s back? Less power and more SBs wasn’t necessarily a bad trade off if your roster was built to accommodate but I don’t see him maintaining 50+ HR/SB profile with back issues. Sell high?

dbau3919
9 years ago

Is it bad that I want to run an all Marlins OF (H2H, 3 OF)? Keeping Stanton as 1 of 6 keepers, think I can get Yelich with my first rounder, and have liked Ozuna for years. Thoughts?

stonepie
9 years ago
Reply to  dbau3919

i’d be cautious with this approach. a few years ago, i had 4-5 guys from the tigers lineup in my h2h league. it was very boom or bust. i prefer more consistency in h2h

kdallas
9 years ago
Reply to  dbau3919

That could hurt a bit when your H2H matchup falls on a week where MIA goes up against Scherzer, Strasburg, etc. and Degrom, Thor, etc.

Mike DMember since 2016
9 years ago

Sometimes NFBC owners might not take Trout #1 because they’re in many leagues so they’ll diversify and take an alternative like Betts if they’re overexposed to Trout. Betts was actually more valuable than Trout last year.

carterMember since 2020
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

I personally would reach elsewhere if I was could not draft Kershaw or Trout first than Betts. Betts got sooo lucky last year. It would not shock me to see sub 20 home runs. I would reach for Altuve if I was looking to diversify.

rknecht17Member since 2019
9 years ago

I always thought Yelich looked like the guy from Freaks and Geeks, but you’re not far off either

http://p.fod4.com/p/channels/legacy/profile/1217984/c3d0f51742a1f00779d6b2728896f334.jpg

sberman7Member since 2018
9 years ago
Reply to  Paul Sporer

honestly, in that picture you look little more like the kid from the Sandlot who fake drowned himself to kiss the lifeguard

deb81162
9 years ago

I don’t know about you guys, but Desmond, even in Colo, scares me. He hit’s the lefty much better. His 1st half splits last year compared to his 2nd half splits are crazy different. Add in an unsustainable BABIP the 1st half and the previous 2 years numbers. I have a very hard time touching him.

kdallas
9 years ago
Reply to  deb81162

His new home stadium should fix a lot . . . but I wouldn’t be surprised if Dahl ends up outperforming him across the board (other than R/RBI depending on lineup).

scott
9 years ago

I think Springer ADP is also tied to the sb upside. I honestly have no idea what to make of it. His sb% last year has to be flukey right? He was 104/126 in his professional career before last year, and not like he didn’t have MLB success either going 21/27 in the bigs his first 2 seasons.

kenai kings
9 years ago

Anyone out there buying Heyward?

RyanMember since 2025
9 years ago

Anyone else think Jay Bruce at #39 for the OF list is way too high? If he stays on the Mets he might not reach 300 AB. Sandy has been pretty clear about Conforto playing everyday which leaves Grandy vs. Bruce. Grandy makes more money so it’s not like you have to play Bruce to justify paying him.

Even if you think he ends up getting traded and that should boost his value, it’s a lot of risk considering the other players available around that spot.

Paul621Member since 2020
9 years ago

Do these ADPs include keeper leagues? Wondering if Betts went #1 in a league where Trout (and maybe Kershaw) was kept.

slaz13
9 years ago

Great article!

John
9 years ago

Great article

calebwMember since 2016
9 years ago

The Stanton–Martinez comparison of count stats is misleading, because you have to add in the count stats you get from a replacement OF for those games Stanton misses, whereas Martinez eats up your whole slate of OF games while delivering his stats. That said, I agree with the sentiment!