Archive for Starting Pitchers

The Argument for Logan Webb

I don’t only like sexy pitchers with double-digit strikeout rates. There are guys for whom I’ll make arguments because they’re being slightly or greatly underdrafted or I’ll pick out a guy who seems about right in Logan Webb, who readers might get a little bit of sticker shock.

Note the list of players with an XFIP- of 65 or lower in 2021 consists of:

Corbin Burnes
Logan Webb

That’s it. That’s the list.

Webb was the epitome of a bad pitch-to-contact guy in his 2019 debut and the shortened 2020 before exploding to find a lot more strikeouts, a ton of control, and continued great power prevention. We hunt down K/9 in volume for good reason, but it’s important to focus on Webb’s control improvements because control keeps him ahead of the count for strikeouts and keeps him in the game for innings.

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Deep League Starting Pitchers (Contreras, Wacha, Brubaker, & Lynch)


The Argument Against Max Fried

Max Fried is good. He’s really frickin’ good.

ERA Leaders Since 2020
Rank Name GS IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BABIP LOB% GB% ERA FIP xFIP
1 Corbin Burnes 37 226.2 12.79 2.30 0.36 .303 77.0% 48.2% 2.34 1.74 2.48
2 Walker Buehler 41 244.1 9.36 2.32 0.96 .240 79.4% 43.3% 2.62 3.34 3.63
3 Brandon Woodruff 43 253.0 10.74 2.17 0.96 .263 80.7% 43.8% 2.70 3.03 3.12
4 Zack Wheeler 43 284.1 9.50 1.96 0.60 .293 75.1% 51.5% 2.82 2.75 3.07
5 Max Fried 39 221.2 8.45 2.44 0.69 .276 77.6% 52.1% 2.84 3.26 3.60
34 qualified pitchers

The question isn’t a binary one of whether or not he’s a really good pitcher, but — for our purposes — whether or not his run prevention is sustainable enough, given his pitch-to-contact style.

I started with the ERA because he’s been very good to us, lately. But we should scrutinize how likely that ERA is to stand up. We should be viewing Fried as deceptively volatile.

His K/9 since 2020 is 24th of the 34 qualified pitchers and his CSW% is 25th. Hey, we’ve had success with contact-heavy pitchers in the recent past — notably Hyun-Jin Ryu, Kyle Hendricks, Marcus Stroman, and Adam Wainwright. It isn’t impossible for fantasy goodness from a guy who doesn’t mow down hitters in a sexy manner. But his 87.4% contact rate in the zone is sixth-highest over that span and this is a big concern because he only averages about 5.2 innings per start.

If Fried were getting volume, we could throw caution to the wind and say 190 strikeouts is 190 strikeouts — even if it took him 200 innings to get there. In the second half of 2021, Fried’s groundball rate went from 45.0% in the first half up to 57.7%. And with it, his ERA was only 1.74 and he pitched 93.0 innings as a reward, as the Braves said, .237 BABIP be damned.

So, Fried can get there. But we’re relying very heavily on balls in play going our way for a lot of months (if not years in dynasty) in one big chunk on 30 starts. And he needs to be elite to get innings.

This is why projections see that the sixth or seventh round is a bit of a reach in a 12-team redraft. Every model we track is rough at the moment without schedules, but they all have his 2021 .278 BABIP bloating near or over .300. THE BAT has his ERA as high as 4.05 for it with a .312 BABIP. They have him with a strong shot at 180 innings, but — again the K/9 tells us that Fried needs to work really hard to get us there on strikeouts.

And the strikeouts aren’t just a singular category on which I’m fixating. Once contact is made, Fried loses a lot of control over his destiny. With a strikeout, he’s in control. This is where the volatility comes in. Do we believe Fried’s low 3.04 ERA from 2021 of the 3.50 xERA? Or THE BAT’s 4.05? Or ATC’s 3.44? I’m not saying to believe THE BAT to make a hyperbolic argument. I’m saying to believe them all because Fried has a wide range of outcomes.

Another dynamic where strikeouts are so valuable: trade baiting. If Fried is just O.K., good luck getting a damn thing for him because people trade for strikeouts and volume a lot more than BABIP-dependence. Fried’s team winning a lot of games helps and getting a quality start in two-thirds of his starts in 2021 helps — from our end. It’s just a tougher sell than lesser real-life pitchers like Jose Berrios or Frankie Montas. Because Berrios and Montas have that higher strikeout ceiling and can be had cheaper.

Frankly, once we draft Fried, we’re stuck with him — for better or worse. On the better side, he’s compiling outs in few pitches and accumulating the wins or quality starts at a low ERA and we’re comfortable with the volume giving us strikeouts. The worse side is one where he’s just fine and no one wants him; not even us.


Deep League Starting Pitchers (Kelly, Minor, Odorizzi, & Eflin)


Deep League Starting Pitchers (Weaver, Bumgarner, Bundy, & Mikolas)


The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 1004 – Would You Rather? ft. Corbin Young

1/23/22

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Estimating Pitch Results from a Small Sample

A few days ago, I wrote an article examining Reid Detmers. For Detmers, I posted the following table on comparable curveballs and the lack of results.

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Deep League Starting Pitchers (Hill, Hudson, Miley, & Detmers)

For this series, I’m focusing on pitchers going after pick 300 in the NFBC ADP. This group is a little more interesting compared to the previous group.

Starting and Relievers, Part 1 & 2($$):

Deep League Starting Pitchers

Rich Hill (436 ADP)

When on the mound, Hill has been a decent pitcher, but he has taken a step back the past two seasons. After his comeback, he was posting strikeout rates around 11 K/9. They’ve been closer to 8 K/9 over the past two seasons. One reason for the decline is that he lost over 2 mph off his fastball from 2019 to 2020. He gained a bit of velocity back this past season, but it is still over 2 mph away from his recent highs. During the season, he was seeing a little up and down so there is no obvious trend going forward.

Another issue was that Hill started throwing other pitches besides his curve and fastball this past season. Not one’s usage stood out but they ended up totaling 11%. He’s been his best when he focused on just the fastball and curve.

On the positive side, he did make 31 starts and threw for 158 IP, the most since 2007.

He did sign with the Red Sox and I feel that’s a double-edged sword for the 42-year-old. The Rays will extract the most from him, but that might mean that Hill only throws two to three innings (2.20 ERA the 1st TTO last year, 5.62 ERA the 2nd TTO) in each outing.

Overall, I think the talent might be there for a couple more seasons, but his role might keep him from being fantasy-relevant.

Dakota Hudson (439 ADP)

Hudson is interesting as he returns from Tommy John surgery. Unlike some other pitchers coming off the injury, Hudson provided a nice end-of-season two-game sample of his talent. His average fastball velocity was down to a career-low 92.1 mph leading to career lows in swinging-strike rate (6% SwStr%). He was able to generate a 65% GB% (58% GB% on his career), but the sample is too small to consider.

The hope is that he returns to his subpar 2019 form (7.0 K/9, 4.4 BB/9, 57% GB%) and the Cardinals defense can bale him out.

One item I’m not 100% sure how to measure is his ability of him to limit the damage once runners are on base. Normally, high strikeout pitchers lead this category, but Hudson has the highest LOB% of any starter with a sub-8.0 K/9 over the past four seasons.

He’s been able to leverage this potential skill into a way to consistently outperform his ERA estimators. It’s just not known how predictive is the “skill”.

He could have some upside, like an increase in velocity or not walking everyone, but a step forward can’t be expected. I’m going to ignore him until he starts throwing in Spring Training.

Wade Miley (443 ADP)

Miley was having a great season until September rolled around. He was ineffective in 18 IP with an 8.35 ERA and was eventually shut down with a neck injury.

For the season’s first half, he was on fire with a 2.79 ERA and 1.17 WHIP. Then, two events happened and he was never the same. First, the foreign substance ban started getting enforced. Second, he messed with his pitch mix adding a slider.

The slider did miss a good number of bats (17% SwStr%), but its low groundball rate (31% GB%) brought down his overall average from the first half (53% GB%) to the second half (45% GB%). The change saw his home run rate jump from 0.6 HR/9 to 1.5 HR/9.

He has the potential to be a usable starter, especially if he focuses on his groundball-inducing cutter (50% GB%) and changeup (61% GB%).

Reid Detmers (450 ADP)

Detmers had all the makings of a breakout prospect and failed miserably in the majors. He dominated AA with a 16.2 K/9 and a 3.50 ERA over 54 innings. After a brief stop in AAA, he struggled in every facet of his MLB game. His strikeout rate got cut in half to a disappointing 8.3 K/9. His walk (4.8 BB/9) and home run (2.2 HR/9) ballooned.

He shouldn’t be this bad. Here are some stats on his pitches (pERA is an estimate of the pitch would perform if only it was used).

Reid Detmers Pitches
Pitch SwStr% GB% Usage pERA Proj
Four-seam 8% 12% 45% 5.00
Curveball 12% 77% 26% 4.50
Slider 18% 35% 24% 3.00
Changeup 17% 43% 5% 3.60
Weighted Total= 4.32

Just for the record, his Steamer projected ERA is 4.30. While his slider and changeup are serviceable, the big surprise here is his poor-performing curveball. It was supposed to be his best pitch according to scouts. Here is a look at the curve.

I hate these slow loopy curves. They make look pretty but they get crushed. Here are the best comps I have for it.

It’s not an inspiring bunch.

I can see the possible upside with Detmers, but right now, he has too many wrinkles to iron out.


Deep League Starting Pitchers (Germán, Corbin, Pearson, & Houser)


Justin Mason’s 2022 Starting Pitchers Ranks: 1/12/22

2021 is over and we turn the page to 2022. Here are my current ranks for the first base position for 2022, my second of the offseason. I will post updates as things change with signings, injuries, or news in Major League Baseball.

You can review my ranks for other positions here: https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/category/rankings/
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