Catcher Tiers – June 2014
Good timing. The RotoGraphs consensus rankings for catchers went up yesterday. The more information the merrier. I’ve made some adjustments – a few significant – since the backstop tiers I developed for May. Between the two, you should have a good idea of how fantasy owners in your league might view certain crouchers for the rest of the season.
I’m single, so I’ve been known to purchase a frozen pizza or four. I haven’t tried them all, so in a few cases, I’ve taken the word of a reviewer and combined it with my feelings about the picture on the box and other information that I can interpret with uninhibited bias. What do you know?! Just like my tiers.
| DiGiorno |
| Buster Posey |
| Wilin Rosario |
Their 2014 numbers haven’t shown it yet, but these two are still the class of the position, in my eyes too big for my stomach. They’re not delivery; they’re the class of it to the point that some names have dropped from the tier, but there aren’t others who have joined them. That won’t sit well with some folks, I’m sure of it. Rosario’s average and increased ground-ball rate might be a touch concerning if he weren’t so young, skilled and in a superb offensive environment.
| Freschetta |
| Jonathan Lucroy |
| Yadier Molina |
| Joe Mauer |
| Brian McCann |
| Evan Gattis |
| Carlos Santana |
Lucroy, in particular, and Molina are so close to making a jump, but I cannot justify it. Lucroy’s dough continues to rise to the point that I think I may be making an oversight where he’s concerned. He’s convinced me of his flavor. I’ve never tasted Freschetta brand, that I can recall, but I hear good things. Kind of like Molina, who I think has already peaked but whose decline in quality should be ever so slight, at least in the short term.
Santana’s failure to thaw, meanwhile, is quite concerning, but I’m more forgiving to this type of talent. I forget who said it, I want to say that it was Collette who said he’d expressed a fear that this would happen, in a recent podcast: Santana’s lack of a defensive home may be affecting his performance at the dish. I’m not sure how to account for that – and whether the Tribe will stick him in one oven, set the timer and call it a day.
| Tombstone |
| Devin Mesoraco |
| Yan Gomes |
| Miguel Montero |
| Salvador Perez |
| A.J. Pierzynski |
| Josmil Pinto |
Mesoraco predictably cooled off as far as the average is concerned once he returned from the disabled list for a strained hamstring, but it’s nice to see that his power stroke hasn’t missed a beat. Perez continues to disappoint, but he’s another brand in whom I’m willing to put some faith. The Kansas City Royals in general aren’t hitting, especially for power, and they’re trying a new recipe at hitting coach. This offense came to life a bit last summer, and I expect its crust to get a similar response this season.
| Gourmet Store Brand |
| Wilson Ramos |
| Derek Norris |
| Jason Castro |
| John Jaso |
| Carlos Ruiz |
| Matt Wieters |
The gourmet store brand – Safeway Select in my neighborhood, for instance – is really pretty good, and it can save you a buck or two. There’s always a chance that the quality goes down, but I’m fairly confident. Ramos is regaining the strength in his surgically repaired hand, a good sign. I wish I could be absolutely certain that he’ll avoid these freakish injuries.
I went over the Wieters situation last week. The Baltimore Orioles won’t put a timetable on his return, even if he does. His owners are looking at a best-case scenario like this one: He avoids surgery, returns before the All-Star break and doesn’t experience a setback, but his numbers slide a bit. That outlook still seems optimistic, to me, but I’m reluctant to let go of what I still think was going to be a bit of a breakthrough for him.
| California Pizza Kitchen |
| Dioner Navarro |
| Jarrod Saltalamacchia |
| Russell Martin |
| Welington Castillo |
| Mike Zunino |
I must like Navarro more than some of those who contributed to the consensus. OK hitter, great surroundings. Not as much power as the rest of those in this tier, but Rogers Centre helps his sauce to taste a little more robust, and his BA skills are touch better than his classmates’. There’s some name recognition here, but the quality of the product isn’t up to par, for whatever reason.
| Tony’s |
| A.J. Ellis |
| Chris Iannetta |
| Yasmani Grandal |
| Alex Avila |
| Nick Hundley |
| Hank Conger |
| Travis d’Arnaud |
I think I tried Tony’s a long time ago, at a friend’s house or something. I don’t recall that I disliked it, but it didn’t make a good impression, either. There’s a hint of upside in several of the players in this tier. I’m keen on Hundley in deep mixed leagues now that he’s in Baltimore, assuming that Wieters misses the rest of the season. Hundley has a little power and now, potentially, a place to see it rewarded more often.
| Ellio’s |
| Kurt Suzuki |
| Tyler Flowers |
| Ryan Hanigan |
| Geovany Soto |
| Chris Gimenez |
Just looking to get by? Try a baked roll, a couple of tablespoons of spaghetti sauce and some pre-dried cheese. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve consumed an Ellio’s offering or two in my day, courtesy of an associate here and there. We’ve all tried players like these, too, in desperate times, and they’ve worked out for a while. I’m not sold on Suzuki yet and definitely not on Flowers; Hanigan can be just as useful once he returns from the DL, I think. The DL holds Soto back, for now, and Gimenez’s advantage is for that reason.
| Generic Store Brand |
| Jordan Pacheco |
| Hector Sanchez |
| Ryan Doumit |
| Brayan Pena |
| Josh Thole |
There may be a generic store brand out there that beats the commercial competition. When it comes to cheap, cardboard-flavored frozen pizza and low-grade catchers, there’s not a lot that separates them. Each of these backstops has some combination of avenues to playing time (or, in some cases, has already obtained) and a semblance (or more) of skills to make good on it.
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Not sure about Rosario this high. I understand he’s missed some time with injury, but there are some deeply uninspiring names posting higher wRC+ and wOBA numbers.
I just don’t see how a guy projected to finish the year hitting around .250 with <20 homers is a top tier player.
No love for Jaso? He puts up 156 wRC+ against RHP and gets on base at a .390 clip overall. How is that not more valuable??
Granted some of it may have to do with playing time, but Norris and Jaso are 18th and 20th in PAs among ML catchers and have each posted a 150 wRC+.
I guess putting either of them higher wouldn’t fit the preseason narrative….I can understand giving McCann and Santana the benefit of the doubt, but Montero, Perez, Pierzynski, and Pinto?
Everyone seems much higher on Gattis than on Mesoraco, but I just don’t see the case for that in the advanced metrics. Is Gattis’ ranking above Mesoraco purely driven by his superior 2013?
Gattis leads all C in homers the last 1.5 years. Nuf said.
I can live with DiGiorno @ 1 and have never had Freschetta, but CPK is worse than gourmet store brands and Tombstone? Unacceptable.
Agreed on CPK! Where is the Baron? I gotta think Red Baron slots in around 4th-ish, behind CPK (revised) and ahead of Tombstone.
Agreed on CPK too low, but the Newman’s Own pizza’s are the best frozen I have ever had.
I dig Red Baron, good value, supreme and special deluxe.
Amy’s Kitchen, even tho they cost a little more, is THE BEST frozen pizza on the market.
No No NO it is not. They are the most expensive and may make you feel better with the organic label and all, but they are not better tasting than diGiorno.
Wow, JP Arencibia must be like 7-11 pizza.
He is a pizza you try to make at home to save a buck or two, get the wrong kind of dough, spaghetti sauce instead of tomato sauce, and make it with gouda cheese because you’re a gourmet dammit; then you proceed to burn the hell out of it at 450 degrees for two hours while you’re passed out on the couch, then you wake up and say “F this, let’s call Papa John’s.”
Non-baseball business first: Freschetta’s Brick Oven pizzas are delicious. Definitely worth trying. Thinner crust that gets crispy, good sauce and cheese. Mmmm it’s a spicy meat-aball!
Baseball business: Fun fact on Joe Mauer. His HR+FB distance has not changed from previous years. It is still a strong 289 feet. He is hitting fewer fly balls than ever before, but if some of his liners (27.6%!!) turn into flys, we could still be looking at a 10-12 HR guy, which is likely what people paid for. Pair that with a good AVG across a lot of PA and tons of runs scored, and you still have a pretty darn good fantasy catcher.
So…DiGiorno is really the Gold Experience of pizzas, huh?
DiGiorno’s new sauce sucks, so I would move it down a tier
Safeway is the “gourmet store” in your neighborhood? Where abouts do you live?
I think he means the local grocery story “gourmet” brand. So the Safeway select vs the safeway brand.
I don’t think he means the local Gelson’s brand.
Atari is correct.
http://www.safeway.com/shopstores/our-brands.page
I like their jams. (Fruit jams, that is, not their music.)
Tier 1 ought to be 4 deep, and I’d put Mauer thru Gomes in tier 2.
In what bizarro world is Freschetta the lesser pizza?
The plate discipline/contact skills of Lucroy and Molina make them easy choices over Rosario for me. He has the power potential and the park, but the past two years he has a .344 woba compared to .360 for Yadi and .355 for Lucroy, not to mention a 4.5% BB rate and Arencibia-esque contact numbers. He’s not *this* bad, but one has to have a bit of concern whether 2013 was a babip outlier, and he’s just a guy who cannot get on base.
DiGiorno was the superior pizza until they changed their sauce recipe for their standard pizzas. I gotta say that I’m not a huge fan of the switch.
Disappointing. Haven’t had one in a bit. I’ll have to adjust my purchasing habits.
(If you shop where I do, the ‘conventional’ Bananas have the MLB logo on the little sticker right now. I’ve never seen a player eat one.)
Every respect to the FG audience as a group likely to really know intimately the frozen pizza – possibly almost to the ‘cyber security warrior’ level.
Reacting badly to the top three tiers. Digiorno and Freschetta – pie appearance ok, but oh gosh please have some salad, too. Buster Posey has some walks…not distancing himself from others.
The frozen pizza landscape is north of the wall so much – probably at Safeway it’s Paul Newman or their own refrigerated not frozen Safeway pies.
Whole Foods really brings the noise on pizza, but the box seats are costly there.
The best catcher is the Oakland A’s.
In a 15 team, 2 C league (Roto, not HtH). Just lost Wellington Castillo to a back injury. Drop him for Nick Hundley or ride out the 2 weeks?
Bench occupied by Colby Rasmus (I need the HR) and Wil Venable. I could drop Venable, but was thinking of dropping him for BJ Upton.
If you can’t DL Castillo, I’d hold him. In a 15-team, 2-C mixed league, he’s an OK hold. Hundley could perform as well or better ROS, but he hasn’t done a lot with his PT in the last 1+ years and Wieters isn’t 100% out for ROS. I’d guess that demand for Hundley remains low in case you change your (or my) mind.
Thank you, one more, Pinto was just dropped, they seem equivalent, so is the extra 2 weeks worth the change?
Rosario over Lucroy? That is terrible.
Molina and Lucroy should be tier 1 instead of Rosario IMO.
I read this while eating a Tony’s Pizza. It’s nothing special, but it’s 720 calories for a supreme and only $1.36 at the local Walmart. I wasn’t in the mood for ramen noodles.
Jacks cheese pizza with my own toppings, still the best. And yeah CPK crushes digiorno.
Mesoraco and Santana (even Rosario) need to be grouped together. Lucroy is easily ahead of them.
The pizza comps are all wrong! Local italian pizza = #1 Tier. The chains and nationalized products come after…
Good points, all. You may want to check out July’s tiers for more up-to-date views.
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/catcher-tiers-july-2014/
Vogt is catcher eligible. Which oven are ya puttin him in, good sir?
This one will probably give you a better idea of the answer to that:
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/catcher-tiers-august-2014/
September tiers will go up on Tuesday.