Carlos Carrasco – Top Five Starter?
Last winter, I became known as the Carlos Carrasco guy. I started by bullishly ranking him fifth among starting pitchers. He had so many factors in his favor – a great Arsenal Score, an outstanding 2014 finish, and an improved Indians defense.
The end result left me feeling both disappointed and vindicated. He was the 15th best starter with $16 of production. He outperformed his teammate Corey Kluber (14th best) on a per inning basis. The biggest point in my favor? His 2.66 xFIP ranked fourth among starters. His 2.74 SIERA also ranked fourth. How about it? Carlos Carrasco: top five starter?
This year, in my super-early round of rankings, I have Carrasco sandwiched 16th between Chris Archer and Matt Harvey. Entering his age 29 season, Carrasco is coming off the best season of his career. He threw 183.2 innings with 10.58 K/9, 2.11 BB/9, and 3.63 ERA. As noted above, his ERA was nearly a full run above the best ERA estimators.
Time has taught us about Carrasco’s lone flaw. I think you’ll notice it in this chart.

Remember, we loved Carrasco last offseason because of his complete repertoire. However, hitters teed off on his fastball, especially lefties (.337 avg, .611 slg). The pitch induced an adequate seven percent whiff rate, and it averaged over 95 mph. He survived by using the fastball just 41 percent of the time.
The four other pitches in his repertoire remained fantastic. His bowling ball sinker piled up a 73 percent ground ball rate without the home run problems that plague most sinkers. It helped him to 17 double plays which tied him for 19th best in the league.
Given the success of his sinker, he might benefit from using it a little more frequently in place of his fastball. In particular, he predictably used his straight fastball in 0-0 counts. Forty-five at bats ended on a first pitch fastball. In those, hitters had a .333 average and .600 slug. In the 25 at bats that ended on a first pitch sinker, hitters had a .200 average with no extra base hits. Obviously, we’re talking about small samples, but Carrasco could seemingly improve his game theory.
Carrasco’s offspeed stuff is his bread and butter. The changeup was effective against everybody, but he used it over 20 percent of the time in all counts to left-handed hitters. It kept them seriously off balance. With high whiff and ground ball rates, I’d like to see him use it more often.
His go-to out pitch is the slider. He threw 31 percent sliders to righties compared to 13 percent to lefties. Against same-handed hitters, Carrasco used the slide piece in any count. Lefties could eliminate it until they fell behind in the count. The pitch was slightly unlucky this season, allowing an elevated HR/FB ratio and a .388 BABIP to right-handed hitters. Batters whiffed just under half the time they swung at it (26 percent swinging strike rate).
Speaking of whiffs, his infrequently used curve ball carried an elite 28 percent whiff rate. I do wish he’d exchange a few sliders for curve balls, but it’s possible his low usage helps the pitch perform better.
Steamer, being a regression machine, projects a 9.67 K/9, 2.30 BB/9, and a 3.04 ERA (2.96 FIP). Me, being a human capable of considering unprogrammed factors, projects anything from a 2.40 to a 3.80 ERA. Carrasco can potentially improve by polishing his sequencing and favoring his best pitches more often. He could decline if he loses a tick of velocity of feel for his three offspeed offerings.
Last season was hit first time making 30 starts since 2010. We can hope for better endurance and a full 32 start complement. That would put him up around 200 innings. The Indians are straddling the line between contending and rebuilding. Defense is a strength for the club, but the offseason questionable. Carrasco may lack the run support necessary to put up a big win total. Ask Kluber about that – he went 9-16 last season.
When I originally hyped Carrasco, he was one of three breakout pitchers who had me excited. Since then, Jake Arrieta and Jacob deGrom have stolen the limelight. That could leave Carrasco as a relative bargain on draft. Oh, you’ll still pay out the nose, he just might cost less than other potential top five starters.
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Brad, who is in your early top 10?
Good question:
Kershaw
Arrieta
Scherzer
Sale
Greinke
Keuchel
Fernandez
Hernandez
Price
deGrom
I’ve already decided to bump Felix and probably Fernandez out of the top 10 when I update. Bumgarner, Syndergaard, Kluber, Cole, Archer, and Carrasco are on the bubble.
Really impressed with the top of the pool this year in general.
Agreed and it’s fun owning these guys. In a 14 team, keep 4 league would you keep two pitchers if those pitchers are a 5th round deGrom and a 20th round Stroman? My offensive options are Miggy (1st), Marte (1st), Dickerson (15th), Soler (15th), Reddick (19th) and David Peralta (20th). I’m leaning Dickerson/Soler due to cheapness/upside.
Definitely keep the pitchers with those options plus Dickerson. The last one depends on when you have your first pick. If you could reselect one or a comparably good player, then give Soler a shot. But he’s not really a steal at Rnd 15. You could probably re-draft him Rnd 10 or so in a keep 4.
Stroman will be cheap on draft day. There’s probably a more boring keeper on your roster to fill out that 4th slot.
thoughts on Salazar?
I have him ranked 27th. I think I like him more than that.
Awesome stuff. I feel a lot better about keeping Thor next year in a keep 2 league (1 yr only, no penalties or lose of picks). Will you do the same with batswith maybe people outside the top ten? Im a little torn with picking between TDA Odor and Baez as my other keeper. Thanks!
I’d hope you have a better option somewhere on your roster. Depending on league depth and rules, either Odor or TDA. Has to be at least 24 C rostered to justify TDA.
“The Indians are straddling the line between contending and rebuilding.”
They have like a 6 WAR lead in FG’s Steamer-based depth table over their division rivals. The batting may look a little light, and that could affect Carrasco’s W total, but the team fully intends to contend.
What are your thoughts on Yu Darvish? Does he fit in “ace” territory or too many concerns coming back from surgery and an IP limit?
I have him ranked 25th so just outside ace land. My co-rankers like him slightly more. I find I’m just more sensitive to existing injuries than they are. In any case, he’s in a 3 way tie with Cole Hamels and Sonny Gray for 20th.
Hey Brad,
Love your posts. In 10 team keeper (keep 2) league (points league), having trouble wittling down 2 studs from my list. Ended up in 2nd place last year, but aimimg for the crown this year. Arrieta (2nd rd), K. Bryant (5th rd), C. Correa (waiver wire pick up; 30th rd next year — move up 6 slots every year until they hit 1st rd cost), Betts (18 rd), Springer (22nd rd), Syndergaard (23th rd), Abreu (8th rd), Kang (21st rd), Carrasco (7th rd) and Marte (13th rd; who would you pick? Who do you think provides the best value for the next 5 years?
That’s a very tough list. My gut says you’ll get best value out of Correa and Springer. But you may benefit from a more thorough process. I think it’s clear that the early picks are probably not the best value even if they might be slightly better players.
Depending on league settings (value of hitter K’s?), I might replace Springer with Betts. Pair Betts with Correa.
Can keep 2 guys between Carrasco, Salazar, and Hamels? Was leaning Carrasco and Salazar based on upside…thoughts?
Reasonable, especially if you’re looking beyond just 2016. Hamels is the safer bet now, but that could change by midseason.
Loving my rotation in a 20 team H2H league next year; Carrasco, Cole, Cueto and Salazar. I also have Severino, Gausman and Matz but can only afford to keep one and I’m completely torn. How do the last 3 line up in your rankings Brad?
Severino (33rd) by a mile. There’s really no way to keep Matz (43rd) too?
Don’t feel too bad about losing Gausman (77th), but you should at least be able to trade him for a pick.
Those are the composite ranks from another site, I ranked them 29th, 64th, and 83rd respectively.
“Steamer, being a regression machine…Me, being a human.”
Brad. That hurts. Regression machines feel, too.
PS- I am so glad they got rid of the captcha.
Brad – nice write up. I too love me some Carrasco, from back when he was in the Phillies’ system. My question is about pitch sequencing, if he were to up his sinker or slider usage wouldn’t that leave him more susceptible to guys being able to recognize the off-speed better and therefore rendering them less effective? Throwing the fastball first pitch may look bad in the box score, but I believe its essential to the balance of showing the hitter your best stuff. Thanks!
Honestly, it’s hard to say. I doubt upping his sinker usage on first pitch would hurt his overall numbers though. He could also selectively target ground ball hitters with this approach while using the four-seamer for fly ball guys.
As for the slider, I actually want him to up his curve usage relative to the slider. I think he’s throwing the slide piece just a little too often. Or else he’s hanging it too often, I can’t really tell.
Sound advice. Hopefully the Cleveland saber guys can recognize this and get Carrasco to take advantage.
One more question, I have Carrasco at $11, but I have to sign him or option him ($11 in 2016 but goes back into the pool). If I sign him, he’s $16 in 2016 and $21 in 2017, etc. I guess my question is about his long term prospects. Take the discount for 2016 or do we have an ace in the making for years to come?
I think he’s relatively safe for a longer investment, but the state of your team probably matters. Is it such that 2016 is contention year but things are murky beyond then? Or are you set for a long run of relevance.
In either case, the long term contract probably has positive trade value. Just don’t forget to hit the eject button in a couple years.
Out of curiosity, how long is the contract commitment?
Its a contending year for sure (Pollock and Donaldson on cheap contracts), but top of the line pitching has been so expensive the past few years (Aces going in the $40s) it makes me think a longer investment is warranted for a potential top 5 starter.
The contract commitment would be at least through 2017 and after that its up to my discretion. Can go as long as I want but increases $5 every year. Your help is much appreciated!
What happened to make defense a strength for the Indians? I remember reading all year how the defense was burning their starters.
Francisco Lindor and Giovanny Urshela are defensive studs, and they both took over for below average fielders. Kipnis was much improved too. The outfield was fine all year.
In a keep 4 league would you rather keep Gerrit Cole in the 10th round or Carrasco in the 15th? I’m assuming Cole’s draft status will be higher and potentially pick up Carrasco around 6-8th rounds.
I peg them as very comparable next year, so it does depend on how you want to approach the draft. This is a topic I’ll address in more detail in January.
Personally, I might keep Carrasco for the better value no matter what. If you could possibly draft him in rounds 6-8 then you should be able to find someone else like Carrasco in that spot. If you can’t, then you were probably operating under a false premise all along.
What are your thoughts on how Verlander finished the second half? I think he had the third highest WAR for the second half of the season. Was it a fluke, do you think he has either figured something out or did he just finally recover from the injuries?
I’m taking fliers on him where I can, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to roster him.