Bearish on Ryan Dempster

This is part of an ongoing pro/con series on RotoGraphs over the next couple of weeks. Today we’ll look at the positive/negative side of Ryan Dempster. Expect the opposite side shortly.

It would be easy to look at Ryan Dempster’s 5.48 ERA and 1.41 WHIP, his solid work the previous three seasons, and conclude that one should be bullish on his prospects moving forward. After all, his BABIP is an inflated .320, his HR/FB ratio is a career high 15.5% and his LOB% is well below the league average. But that would be too easy and I like challenges.

First off, I am not going to try to argue that Dempster won’t see better fortunes ahead. So no, he will not finish with an ERA above 5.00. But fantasy owners likely paid for a mid-to-high 3.00 ERA, so a mark above 4.00 would still be rather disappointing. And I think that is a distinct possibility, despite a rather strong 89 xFIP- and 3.31 xFIP.

Dempster has posted peripherals very much in line with previous years, including a strikeout rate that ranks second highest during his seasons as a full-time starter. However, I have discussed here in the past how K/9 could be affected by good or bad fortune in our luck metrics. A high BABIP means more batters faced during an inning, and therefore more opportunity for strikeouts. Dempster’s K/9 ranks 19th among pitchers with a minimum of 50 innings pitched, while his K/PA ranks a less impressive 29th. Though he may look forward to better luck ahead, that could very well be offset by a drop in strikeout rate.

Possibly more troubling is his SwStk% and Contact%. His SwStk% mark has not fallen below 10% since 2003, when it was still an above league average 9.7%. Likewise, his Contact% has always been strong, never rising above the 77.6% mark he also posted in 2003. This year, however, his SwStk% is down dramatically to just 8.5% (versus 10.9% last year), while his Contact% has jumped to 81.0% (versus 75.0% last season). Usually when this happens, a corresponding decline in strikeout rate occurs as well. But I think the bad luck has inflated his apparent strikeout ability so far.

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Last, his velocity is currently sitting at 90.2 miles per hour. Last year, he was averaging 91.0 miles per hour with his fastball. Now, 0.8 miles per hour is not that significant, but it is worth nothing that this is still the lowest average speed he has ever experienced. In addition, he has induced the highest O-Swing% of his career. Normally, this would be a good sign as pitches outside the strike zone are obviously more difficult to make contact with and hit hard. Unfortunately, he has also easily allowed his highest O-Contact% as well (previous career high of 55.7%, this year 68.2%, right at the league average). So hitters are swinging more at pitches outside the zone and also making more contact. That contact may very well be weak contact (though his BABIP would suggest otherwise), but that may also simply mean his slider has had less bite (rings the cliché bell!) than it has in the past.

I do think Dempster will improve, but something still just doesn’t seem right once we get past the obvious bad fortune we immediately detect from our luck metrics.





Mike Podhorzer is the founder of ProjectingX IQ, an advanced fantasy baseball analytics platform that transforms projection data and in-season performance signals into actionable intelligence. He is the 2015 Fantasy Sports Writers Association Baseball Writer of the Year and three-time Tout Wars champion. He is the author of the eBook Projecting X 2.0: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance, which teaches you how to project players yourself. Follow Mike on X@MikePodhorzer and contact him via email.

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Mike D
15 years ago

Ryan Dempster stats for May & June:

3.21 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, .315 BABIP

I got him in a trade two weeks ago for Matt Guerrier.

ThadMember since 2020
15 years ago

It doesn’t matter, at all, what his ERA is going to finish at. Who cares if it finishes over 4.00? Everyone has already paid for and drafted him. What matters is what you would expect him to produce over the remainder of the season.

The only thing that doesn’t seem right about his season is his April (not inconsequential, of course). He was bad, then totally cratered by giving up 7 runs in 0.1 inning against the DBacks, and ever since he’s been great.

2.85 FIP, 2.86 xFIP in 56 innings since that time, with normal BABIP and LOB%, and a K/BB of nearly 4. I wouldn’t expect him to be quite that good going forward, but – considering his track record and the fact that even in April when he was getting rocked, he still had a 4.13 xFIP – I think you can pretty reasonably project him for that mid-to-high 3 ERA over the rest of the season.

henry ford the genius
15 years ago
Reply to  Mike Podhorzer

i honestly know his era will be over 4.25 for 2011. wont touch this dempster guy. the cubbies will likely trade pena as well. meaning theyre doomed. even might trade a right fielder for a single A live arm. this team is going to trash just like the dodgers/mets. the dodgers at least have a few young good arms. s marshall and marmol are not likely traded but who knows right?

this means the cubbies wont do well if their core is out and their confidence level is down. that means dempster might be at 10-11 wins by seasons end. the pen will blow him some wins, the offense will be lacking and out of tune to score runs, and yes dempster sucks during the daytime, we all know this and a majority of his starts are in the daytime.

there is no heart in this team, zambrano said it himself. zambrano knows best.

now if dempster gets traded to say the mariners there could be something, but honestly i just dont see it happening. and his win total would be at 11-12 games which isnt much in h2h leagues or roto leagues.

kylejoMember since 2026
15 years ago

I love this analysis.

OrioleTragic
15 years ago

Ugh, I can’t stand this “bearish” “bullish” split for the same reason I avoid fantasy magazines or anything for that matter that poses two opposite viewpoints. Because that means that one author is going to be required to puff up only the good stuff, and the other writer will be required to focus only on the bad. Any facts or statistics that are more important or less important are lost in this dichotomy of “bullish” and “bearish”. I want to know what players statisticians/experts think I should pick up. I don’t have the will nor time to learn every single one of these statistics so that I can make my own decision – that’s why I read statistician/expert’s opinions instead of trying to become a statistician myself. Please scrap this format!

alex
15 years ago

you discount the fact that most alert owners benched him for many of his hideous starts. mine ryan dempster stats right now are: 3-1, 39K in 41IP, 4.9 era. 1.44 whip. but i accidentally missed his beauty in Cinci, which I intended to start him for. so mine numbers wouldave been 4-1, 47 K in 47 IP, 4.3 ERA and a 1.34 whip.

dempster will most definitely give me the stats I drafted him for, except in 180 IP instead of 200. no biggie there…

NBH
15 years ago
Reply to  alex

I’m a pretty alert owner and while I benched him for the ARI meltdown, I haven’t used him much since then (I always seemed to have better pitchers with better match-ups). Dempster has been replaced by a trio of Bumgarner/Hellickson/McClellan and it has worked out well. Now I’m going to throw Stauffer into the mix. I’m trying to trade Hellickson, but nobody is interested. Too much pitching this year.