All Star Break Consensus Ranks: Outfielders
My ideal set of rankings has input from both human and computer sources. In our rankings, we have one set of ranks that are built on projections, meaning that overall our rankings are 25% computer. That’s low for me. But I know that our other three human rankers also use the computer projections to varying degrees, so the number is probably closer to 50% computer, which I like.
But, ostensibly, we have one computer ranker. Jeff Zimmerman uses a proprietary mix of ZiPs and Steamer projections, and then takes the plate appearance projections from our depth charts. Every once in a while a player won’t be updated on the depth charts — human error — but if we stay vigilant, this mix should produce the best computer-generated rankings you can find. The addition of depth chart information can do a lot to undo the biggest flaw in projections: they don’t always know who has the job.
One remaining avenue to deal with with respect to the computer rankings is what to do with the missing plate appearances due to projected injury. Zimmerman has done a lot to advance the state of injury projections, and some of that is now built into the various projections he uses. We know that past DL stints predict future ones, for example. And that age is a heavy factor. But once those PAs and IPs are gone, they can be replaced through the waiver wire.
That opens up a whole can of worms. Are we to give an injured player credit for the player that replaces him? Who will that replacement player be? Are you on weekly waivers, or daily? Do you have an FAAB? That would suggest that late-season injuries are more harmful to your team. Same for head-to-head leagues. Seemingly, we should ding a player for getting hurt a lot. But we should also maybe work on finding some way to replace back some of those missed innings and plate appearances with a replacement level number. We’ll work on that.
As for naming Zimmerman’s column something else, I don’t get it. We all use projections in the pre-season, should we just name our pre-season rankings after the projections we’re using? And even in-season, we’re looking at all the information we can. I’d hate to name my projections swSTR%GB%battedballdistanceBABIPspeed, for example. Jeff Zimmerman does the work, Jeff Zimmerman’s name is on the ranking.
So. Do we have some work we can do? Sure, we’ve been looking at replacement level. We need to make sure our depth charts are all updated going into ranking seasons. These rankings have been gradually evolving since we started them, and they will continue to do so.
But I would say we are well on our way to an ideal set of rankings from an ideological standpoint. At least my ideological standpoint.
I welcome discussion on a theoretical level. Every set of rankings ever is subject to arguments about single players. We won’t eradicate those discussions — they’re fun! — but they are not necessarily germane to the issue at hand.
Thanks for reading!
With the color-coding we hope to highlight the biggest movers. That definition changes as you follow the ranks down the list — players had to move more to register a color change as you near the bottom of the list. These are rest-of-season rankings for 5×5 roto. Jeff Zimmerman’s rankings are a combination of ZiPs and Steamer rest-of-season projections with playing time determined by our depth charts. You can find the projections on every player page and the depth charts here.
| RG | Player | ES | JZ | MP | ZS |
| 1 | Mike Trout | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| 2 | Carlos Gonzalez | 2 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| 3 | Andrew McCutchen | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| 4 | Ryan Braun | 8 | 2 | 3 | 7 |
| 5 | Adam Jones | 4 | 5 | 7 | 6 |
| 6 | Chris Davis | 6 | 19 | 5 | 1 |
| 7 | Bryce Harper | 7 | 13 | 8 | 5 |
| 8 | Jose Bautista | 10 | 11 | 6 | 8 |
| 9 | Giancarlo Stanton | 5 | 8 | 10 | 14 |
| 10 | Justin Upton | 9 | 9 | 11 | 17 |
| 11 | Shin-Soo Choo | 12 | 12 | 18 | 9 |
| 12 | Jacoby Ellsbury | 11 | 15 | 9 | 19 |
| 13 | Adrian Gonzalez | 15 | 18 | 20 | 11 |
| 14 | Alex Rios | 19 | 17 | 17 | 12 |
| 15 | Matt Holliday | 20 | 16 | 12 | 18 |
| 16 | Jay Bruce | 14 | 14 | 16 | 28 |
| 17 | Jason Heyward | 16 | 28 | 14 | 20 |
| 18 | Matt Kemp | 23 | 24 | 15 | 25 |
| 19 | Yasiel Puig | 17 | 6 | 35 | 30 |
| 20 | Yoenis Cespedes | 18 | 26 | 13 | 31 |
| 21 | Allen Craig | 24 | 22 | 22 | 24 |
| 22 | Starling Marte | 13 | 10 | 27 | 43 |
| 23 | Nelson Cruz | 27 | 29 | 23 | 15 |
| 24 | Alex Gordon | 26 | 23 | 25 | 22 |
| 25 | Carlos Gomez | 25 | 38 | 24 | 10 |
| 26 | Carlos Beltran | 30 | 34 | 21 | 13 |
| 27 | Desmond Jennings | 22 | 21 | 26 | 34 |
| 28 | Hunter Pence | 31 | 25 | 33 | 23 |
| 29 | Austin Jackson | 34 | 33 | 32 | 21 |
| 30 | Michael Bourn | 21 | 20 | 43 | 37 |
| 31 | Mark Trumbo | 29 | 35 | 36 | 27 |
| 32 | Shane Victorino | 28 | 31 | 31 | 41 |
| 33 | Norichika Aoki | 35 | 30 | 40 | 33 |
| 34 | Michael Cuddyer | 31 | 39 | 34 | 35 |
| 35 | Ben Zobrist | 38 | 41 | 29 | 36 |
| 36 | Dexter Fowler | 37 | 44 | 48 | 16 |
| 37 | Nick Markakis | 39 | 46 | 37 | 29 |
| 38 | Josh Hamilton | 32 | 42 | 19 | 67 |
| 39 | Alejandro De Aza | 36 | 37 | 47 | 44 |
| 40 | Carl Crawford | 41 | 55 | 30 | 42 |
| 41 | Domonic Brown | 40 | 54 | 28 | 50 |
| 42 | Jayson Werth | 43 | 56 | 38 | 39 |
| 43 | Martin Prado | 44 | 47 | 52 | 38 |
| 44 | Melky Cabrera | 55 | 40 | 57 | 32 |
| 45 | Coco Crisp | 33 | 43 | 55 | 59 |
| 46 | Adam Eaton | 51 | 51 | 50 | 45 |
| 47 | Torii Hunter | 47 | 45 | 59 | 56 |
| 48 | Ichiro Suzuki | 56 | 32 | 45 | 76 |
| 49 | Alfonso Soriano | 49 | 48 | 49 | 65 |
| 50 | Curtis Granderson | 42 | 49 | 39 | 83 |
| 51 | Brett Gardner | 50 | 58 | 44 | 61 |
| 52 | Nick Swisher | 54 | 60 | 46 | 58 |
| 53 | Wil Myers | 57 | 57 | 68 | 40 |
| 54 | B.J. Upton | 48 | 36 | 41 | 101 |
| 55 | Adam Dunn | 53 | 53 | 60 | 60 |
| 56 | Matt Carpenter | 46 | 89 | 65 | 26 |
| 57 | Michael Brantley | 45 | 50 | 66 | 66 |
| 58 | Matt Joyce | 52 | 68 | 74 | 48 |
| 59 | Josh Reddick | 65 | 70 | 62 | 54 |
| 60 | Gerardo Parra | 66 | 62 | 70 | 55 |
| 61 | Todd Frazier | 60 | 72 | 53 | 68 |
| 62 | Lorenzo Cain | 59 | 75 | 42 | 79 |
| 63 | Jon Jay | 74 | 59 | 78 | 46 |
| 64 | David Murphy | 62 | 77 | 63 | 62 |
| 65 | Nate McLouth | 69 | 98 | 51 | 47 |
| 66 | Garrett Jones | 61 | 61 | 95 | 57 |
| 67 | Leonys Martin | 64 | 82 | 56 | 72 |
| 68 | Colby Rasmus | 67 | 64 | 81 | 63 |
| 69 | Marcell Ozuna | 58 | 67 | 88 | 77 |
| 70 | Jason Kubel | 70 | 79 | 58 | 87 |
| 71 | Logan Morrison | 63 | 96 | 84 | 51 |
| 72 | Andre Ethier | 68 | 65 | 77 | 91 |
| 73 | Carlos Quentin | 71 | 88 | 73 | 69 |
| 74 | Dayan Viciedo | 80 | 69 | 61 | 98 |
| 75 | Chris Carter | 81 | 74 | 76 | 78 |
| 76 | Daniel Nava | 78 | 120 | 64 | 49 |
| 77 | Michael Morse | 72 | 90 | 54 | 99 |
| 78 | Raul Ibanez | 79 | 121 | 67 | 52 |
| 79 | Denard Span | 82 | 76 | 80 | 82 |
| 80 | Brandon Moss | 90 | 86 | 75 | 71 |
| 81 | Andy Dirks | 73 | 92 | 87 | 89 |
| 82 | Michael Saunders | 83 | 94 | 69 | 95 |
| 83 | Nate Schierholtz | 89 | 103 | 100 | 53 |
| 84 | Drew Stubbs | 92 | 81 | 72 | 107 |
| 85 | Eric Young | 76 | 113 | 71 | 96 |
| 86 | Cody Ross | 84 | 78 | 112 | 88 |
| 87 | Peter Bourjos | 88 | 83 | 101 | 92 |
| 88 | Will Venable | 87 | 73 | 96 | 110 |
| 89 | Justin Ruggiano | 88 | 66 | 79 | 117 |
| 90 | Juan Pierre | 89 | 52 | 94 | 116 |
| 91 | Delmon Young | 90 | 85 | 89 | 90 |
| 92 | Oswaldo Arcia | 75 | 104 | 116 | 73 |
| 93 | Darin Ruf | 76 | 121 | 85 | 64 |
| 94 | Cameron Maybin | 86 | 71 | 98 | 118 |
| 95 | Lucas Duda | 91 | 93 | 97 | 103 |
| 96 | Kelly Johnson | 92 | 107 | 108 | 70 |
| 97 | Aaron Hicks | 77 | 116 | 82 | 109 |
| 98 | David DeJesus | 78 | 84 | 106 | 100 |
| 99 | Gregor Blanco | 97 | 121 | 93 | 86 |
| 100 | Ryan Doumit | 98 | 102 | 86 | 112 |
| 101 | David Lough | 85 | 121 | 103 | 93 |
| 102 | Chris Denorfia | 86 | 100 | 118 | 74 |
| 103 | Seth Smith | 87 | 114 | 102 | 75 |
| 104 | Trevor Plouffe | 95 | 95 | 109 | 108 |
| 105 | Josh Willingham | 96 | 91 | 104 | 102 |
| 106 | Evan Gattis | 97 | 121 | 91 | 81 |
| 107 | Chris Young | 98 | 105 | 105 | 106 |
| 108 | Rajai Davis | 99 | 80 | 107 | 121 |
| 109 | Ben Revere | 100 | 97 | 121 | 97 |
| 110 | J.D. Martinez | 96 | 99 | 110 | 121 |
| 111 | Jarrod Dyson | 97 | 115 | 113 | 84 |
| 112 | John Mayberry | 98 | 117 | 83 | 111 |
| 113 | Dustin Ackley | 99 | 87 | 121 | 121 |
| 114 | Kensuke Tanaka | 100 | 121 | 121 | 80 |
| 115 | Travis Snider | 101 | 101 | 99 | 121 |
| 116 | Emilio Bonifacio | 94 | 112 | 114 | 121 |
| 117 | Mike Carp | 95 | 119 | 121 | 85 |
| 118 | Jose Tabata | 93 | 109 | 120 | 121 |
| 119 | Tyler Colvin | 94 | 110 | 121 | 121 |
| 120 | Billy Hamilton | 95 | 121 | 121 | 115 |
| 121 | Chris Parmelee | 96 | 121 | 121 | 120 |
Also ranked once were Engel Beltre, Jeff Francoeur, Corey Dickerson, Jeff Kobernus, Endy Chavez, Xavier Paul, Brett Jackson, Scott Hairston, Chris Heisey, Jonny Gomes, Jason Bay, A.J. Pollock and Franklin Gutierrez.
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Carlos Gomez has been playing at this level for about 185 games now. Ridiculously under rated.
I don’t believe in his batting average, but yeah even then I could have put him anywhere from 18 to 25, which means he could have moved into the top 20. Obviously the power and speed are real.
But still lower than Heyward?
From July last year to July this year, Gomez hit .292/28 HRs/49 SBs/100 runs.
At what point to people start believing? You think he should be top 20?
Ummm…how bout top 5.
Last calendar year split on our site produces a .288 average with a .335 BABIP and a 22.4% strikeout rate. Only Chris Davis has a better batting average with a worse strikeout rate, and he still gets doubt. And BABIP takes 2.5 years to stabilize. And his career BABIP is .310. So, no, I don’t believe in the batting average right now.
Ok so let’s say he’s a .275 hitter. If that goes with ~25-30 HRs, ~100 runs, ~40-50 SBs, he’s still an elite, top 5 OF.
Zach agrees.
Assuming the legend is ES = Eno, MP = Pod, JZ = Zimm and ZS = Sanders?
Also seeing Cruz and Sori moved green a lot, is that because of the possibility of no suspension and trade (in addition to recent improved performance of course) was factored in?
In what year was Jeff Francoeur “(a)lso ranked once,” and was he higher or lower than Corey Patterson?
Chris Carter 13 spots below Lorenzo Cain? Is it the extreme upside or the excellent real-life production that scares you? Or is it his consistent playing time (as opposed to Cain, who now finds himself in a 4-way rotation)?
maybe the sub .240 BA and 0 SBs?
That one’s easy. Without looking, one of the worst strikeout rates in the league, and a high BABIP, and a history of being much better v LHP.
His walk rate is pretty good, though. I think you over-inflate the importance of strikeout rate (as well as velocity in closers, but that’s another story). Also, if his splits have reversed this season, wouldn’t it stand to reason that his numbers could actually IMPROVE if he starts having the success against lefties that he’s used to? You’re pointing to his historical platoon splits while discounting the success he’s had against righties this year. Second year players have been known to show improvement. I’m not saying he’s a perfect player, but he’s shown huge power throughout his career, he mashed in Oakland last season, he’s mashing this season (with the potential for more), and you’ve got a guy who’s done none of the above 13 spots ahead of him. That’s really the issue. Lorenzo Cain has done nothing (outside of swiping a few bags) compared to Carter. We’ll see how it shakes out ROS but I think that one’s going to look dumb in retrospect.
Chris Carter, career splits.
112 wRC+ versus righties
106 wRC+ versus lefties
Yeah, I see that Travis L (112 wRC+ versus righties, 106 wRC+ versus lefties). Then I’m not sure what Eno meant by “a history of being much better v LHP.” Maybe he meant RHP. I don’t know. One other thing about Carter and then I’ll shut up — he’s actually hit for more power on the road this season but I’m pretty sure Minute Maid inflates homerun rate. Just think there’s room for quite a bit of growth there and he’s playing well now.
Just mean that strikeouts are the problem for him, across the board, and he’s worse in that regard against righties (36.8) versus lefties (29.8) and that’s why Oakland only played him against lefties for the most part.
Eno: I hope JZ appreciates that you got his back.
Waiting for someone to blast Zimmerman for ranking K-Marte ahead of Crush . . .
Heyward optimism!
“Holiday, Bruce, Heyward,” or “Holiday, Bruce…….. Heyward”
Bottom of a good tier, or top of an iffy tier
Question: How did JZ determine Puig’s rankings? I don’t see complete STEAMER projections or any ZiPS.
Probably used these, based on steamer: http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=22
I’m glad you have Holliday ahead of Craig, even though I got seemingly raped in that trade. Hopefully Matt has a great 2nd half!
re: raped.
I don’t think that word means what you think it means…
Sorry, poor choice of words. How about taken out to the woodshed?
What happened to the 3rd base rankings – cannot locate them (C, 1B, 2B, and SS are listed).
Tomorrow. Traveling tomorrow, so I wanted to bite off a smaller chunk. Starting pitchers probably moves to Monday.
Thanks for posting these, as I trust the Fangraphs rankings above anyone else’s.
ZS, can you explain why so low on B.J. Upton? I realize the misery of the first half, but the discrepancy is pretty big.
Poor play, recent injury. I don’t think he’ll be on the DL for a mere 15 days.
Just for fun, I looked at the range for the rankings to see who do you four disagree with each other most about and who you disagree with each other least about. The top-10 aren’t interesting for this because of small divergence. Anywho…
What players have the highest range of rankings: Daniel Nava, Raul Ibanez, B.J. Upton, Juan Pierre, Matt Carpenter, Darin Ruf, Justin Ruggiano, and Nate McLouth.
What players (not in the top-10) have the lowest range of rankings: Allen Craig, Alex Gordon, Delmon Young, Adam Eaton, Denard Span, Alex Rios, Adam Dunn.
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Just a quick question for clarification: How come no one is ranked 7th in the JZ column? Is that just a clerical error, or did JZ rank someone in the top 10 that no one else ranked at all (and if so, who, and why)? Or am I missing something…?
Which outfielder did Zimmerman’s computer rank seventh? It looks as if it was someone who was not among the top 121 players. (Or possibly I am blind and just missing it?)
I don’t have a seven from Zimmerman.
Puig is so good he got the 6th and 7th ranking from him.
Marlon Byrd has been hitting all year and isn’t ranked in the top 120 by anyone? I know its Marlon Byrd but he’s been helping me out a lot in a 14 team league
He is on our list. I’m probably the only one that would have ranked him, and I’d put him in the 100s somewhere.
Josh Hamilton – 19th to 67th amongst the rankers. Such is the potentially exhilirating, often cringe-inducing experience of owning Josh Hamilton!
Funny, as I was driving the bust train this preseason and he obviously has done nothing to convince me otherwise. BUT, I had him 15th preseason, so 19 is a further drop from an already pessimistic opinion. Looks like others are even more pessimistic than me, which makes me think he could be acquired rather cheaply.
Why are JZ’s rankings so blah blah blah…
Eno, this doesn’t probably belong here, but I clicked on that mock draft you did earlier in the year and you drafted one hell of a team.
Shelby Miller – 23rd round
Jean Segura – 20th round
Starling Marte – 17th round
Matt Harvey – 14th round
Joe Nathan – 9th round
I think you just flew to the top of my ‘trusted’ analysts list.
Eno rules
Some huge value right here
Thanks for the full JZ explanation. I think it’s good to have a reasonable baseline ranking in there but I also agree more thought/work should be put into playing time for JZ’s rankings.
How different do you think the rankings would be if you used OBP instead of average? Anyone who jumps out that would be significantly different (up or down)?
I own Puig in a redraft but don’t quite buy the production in the second half. Been offered James Shields and Starlin Castro for him (both positions of need for me). Should I take it?
Think you can do better than that. Puig has huge value. I just flipped him and Alexei Ramirez for Tulo.
Dom, Dom, Dom
Damn, Zach. What did I ever do to you?
I guess my big issue with the #25 ranking for Gomez is Puig being ranked above him. Gomez has put up top-10 numbers over the last 12-month period. Yes he’s gotten lucky, but he is outranked by a guy with almost a .500 BABIP over a few weeks of an MLB career? A guy with a similar k%? I guess that seems like a discrepancy to me. I see you forecast them with pretty similar BA, OBP, SLG so I get ranking them relatively close, but to me the floor for Puig is a lot lower (much higher risk) and lack of sample size can’t be the main argument against Gomez. Just my two cents of course. Appreciate what you fellas do. #buttkissing 😉
Why is Dominic Brown so low? Also, Jason Heyward above Allan Craig seems completely ridiculous to me.
Looks like insufficient playing time in Dom’s projections is playing a role. For reference, ZiPS projects him to look a lot like Cespedes ROS:
YC: .259/36/10/33/5
DB: .268/27/10/31/5
But Steamer has a bigger difference between the two (largely driven by playing time):
YC: .264/29/10/33/5
DB: .269/19/ 6/22/3
Can someone please explain Billy Hamilton at 120? The big question coming into the season was “can he get on base?” Well he’s batting .282 with 38 SBs so I’d say he’s doing just fine. Walk rate and BABIP suggest some decline but Peter Bourjos is ranked 33 spots ahead of him (just one example). Why???