Ottoneu 101: Patience is a Virtue
When you play Ottoneu, and offseason trading finally begins, it’s easy to feel the rush. While Ottoneu Arbitration provides a brief respite, once the calendar turns to November 15, the gloves are off. Trades happen like wildfire and debates about player values appear to be never ending. The surplus calculator is updated and those new to Ottoneu are left pondering their roster. Point being, hold on to your hat. The offseason moves quick. However, in an effort to gain perspective, I would like to throw up a caution sign and encourage patience among my fellow “Ottoneurs” (Some day I’ll finally find a way to refer to y’all).
“Patience!?” you say. “I want to trade!” you plead… But yes, patience is what is needed. The last thing you want to do is make a terrible trade because you were in a rush to make any trade. Today, I want to look into several ways patience can benefit your Ottoneu Team.
Don’t Cut Players
Every year, teams cut players early in the offseason. While I see this as a mistake, you may run your team however you like. However, in the midst of these cuts I often see several players I would have traded for. The easiest way to look at it is to admit that I have no idea how any other team values any player. For example – an $18 Gregory Polanco and $12 James Paxton were cut in the past month in a league. Yes, you can cut either of them at any point, but it would have helped your team to wait as many owners would have gladly given up an asset they viewed as a keeper in return for either one. If patience had been exercised, Polanco and Paxton could have been left on the roster until January (they weren’t taking a roster spot from anyone). Then removed if no one expressed interest. By then they likely would have been traded to another team for something their previous owners desired. While there are certainly less egregious cuts, I’m sure many leagues have examples of situations like this.
The second reason not to cut is that free-agent signings and MLB trades will drastically impact player values. If Ivan Nova signs in San Francisco would you keep him at $3? What if Yasiel Puig gets traded to Milwaukee? Does he look more attractive at $18? Do you take a chance on him in a better park? Certainly either of these players may look like probable cuts right now, but there are so many hypothetical scenarios that could impact borderline keepers. While a therapeutic cut is acceptable, I would caution against clearing the decks on anyone you do not plan to keep – at least for now.
Dollar values are far from complete, and even further from perfect
While having dollar values is great, and almost necessary in Ottoneu, it is important to be patient and realize that they are far from complete. Right now, the publicly available dollar values are only based off Steamer. With the first Zips projection being released yesterday, we are a long way off form having values based off both systems. That being said, they are still useful. For example, I want to know that Steamer is high on Lance McCullers, Robbie Ray and James Paxton. Does that mean I think Robbie Ray is worth $20+ dollars? No. All this goes to say that while you should use the dollar values available as a baseline, you should expect some changes to the totals as final projections come in. Also, you should take league context into account.
If you treat the dollar values released as gospel, you will probably make some errors in your valuations. Use the values generally. The $20 surplus assets in your league are still likely to be the best assets, but there could be some select cases where you may want to bet against Steamer. Have patience with your values. Recognize that they will adjust. While it can be fun to pull a trade early, you want to make sure the trade you pull actually benefits your team in the long run.
I have added an excerpt of the Surplus Calculator with the 2017 Early Steamer Values below for completeness.
Name | Team | Position | $ |
---|---|---|---|
Mike Trout | Angels | OF | $68 |
Clayton Kershaw | Dodgers | SP | $63 |
Bryce Harper | Nationals | OF | $54 |
Manny Machado | Orioles | SS | $51 |
Giancarlo Stanton | Marlins | OF | $47 |
Miguel Cabrera | Tigers | 1B | $46 |
Max Scherzer | Nationals | SP | $44 |
Noah Syndergaard | Mets | SP | $44 |
Mookie Betts | Red Sox | OF | $44 |
Josh Donaldson | Blue Jays | 3B | $43 |
Kris Bryant | Cubs | OF | $40 |
Nolan Arenado | Rockies | 3B | $40 |
Joey Votto | Reds | 1B | $39 |
Paul Goldschmidt | Diamondbacks | 1B | $39 |
Anthony Rizzo | Cubs | 1B | $38 |
Stephen Strasburg | Nationals | SP | $37 |
Carlos Correa | Astros | SS | $36 |
Jose Altuve | Astros | 2B | $35 |
Madison Bumgarner | Giants | SP | $34 |
Buster Posey | Giants | C | $33 |
Corey Seager | Dodgers | SS | $32 |
Carlos Gonzalez | Rockies | OF | $32 |
Andrew McCutchen | Pirates | OF | $32 |
Freddie Freeman | Braves | 1B | $31 |
Jose Bautista | OF | $31 | |
George Springer | Astros | OF | $30 |
Matt Carpenter | Cardinals | 2B | $30 |
Chris Sale | White Sox | SP | $29 |
Corey Kluber | Indians | SP | $29 |
Christian Yelich | Marlins | OF | $29 |
Kyle Schwarber | Cubs | OF | $28 |
Yu Darvish | Rangers | SP | $28 |
Daniel Murphy | Nationals | 2B | $28 |
Chris Archer | Rays | SP | $28 |
Trevor Story | Rockies | SS | $28 |
Gary Sanchez | Yankees | C | $28 |
Xander Bogaerts | Red Sox | SS | $28 |
Ryan Braun | Brewers | OF | $28 |
Johnny Cueto | Giants | SP | $28 |
Rich Hill | SP | $28 | |
Jon Lester | Cubs | SP | $27 |
Charlie Blackmon | Rockies | OF | $27 |
Nelson Cruz | Mariners | OF | $27 |
Carlos Carrasco | Indians | SP | $27 |
Robinson Cano | Mariners | 2B | $26 |
Jake Arrieta | Cubs | SP | $26 |
Lance McCullers | Astros | SP | $25 |
Francisco Lindor | Indians | SS | $25 |
Yoenis Cespedes | OF | $24 | |
Andrew Miller | Indians | RP | $24 |
Adrian Beltre | Rangers | 3B | $24 |
David Price | Red Sox | SP | $24 |
Aaron Nola | Phillies | SP | $24 |
Anthony Rendon | Nationals | 3B | $24 |
Edwin Encarnacion | 1B | $24 | |
Justin Verlander | Tigers | SP | $23 |
Yasiel Puig | Dodgers | OF | $23 |
Alex Bregman | Astros | SS | $23 |
Aroldis Chapman | RP | $23 | |
Trea Turner | Nationals | SS | $22 |
Jonathan Lucroy | Rangers | C | $22 |
Miguel Sano | Twins | OF | $22 |
J.D. Martinez | Tigers | OF | $22 |
Jose Abreu | White Sox | 1B | $22 |
Brian Dozier | Twins | 2B | $21 |
Dellin Betances | Yankees | RP | $21 |
Gerrit Cole | Pirates | SP | $21 |
Carlos Santana | Indians | 1B | $21 |
Jacob deGrom | Mets | SP | $21 |
Tyler Skaggs | Angels | SP | $21 |
Shin-Soo Choo | Rangers | OF | $21 |
Matt Holliday | OF | $20 | |
Aledmys Diaz | Cardinals | SS | $20 |
Tyson Ross | Padres | SP | $20 |
Steven Matz | Mets | SP | $20 |
Ben Zobrist | Cubs | 2B | $20 |
Robbie Ray | Diamondbacks | SP | $20 |
Michael Pineda | Yankees | SP | $20 |
Maikel Franco | Phillies | 3B | $20 |
Carlos Martinez | Cardinals | SP | $20 |
Justin Upton | Tigers | OF | $20 |
Justin Turner | 3B | $19 | |
Kenley Jansen | RP | $19 | |
Jameson Taillon | Pirates | SP | $19 |
Troy Tulowitzki | Blue Jays | SS | $19 |
Dustin Pedroia | Red Sox | 2B | $18 |
Hanley Ramirez | Red Sox | 1B | $18 |
James Paxton | Mariners | SP | $18 |
Kyle Seager | Mariners | 3B | $18 |
DJ LeMahieu | Rockies | 2B | $18 |
Danny Salazar | Indians | SP | $18 |
Rougned Odor | Rangers | 2B | $17 |
Danny Duffy | Royals | SP | $17 |
Alex Wood | Dodgers | SP | $17 |
Evan Gattis | Astros | C | $17 |
A.J. Pollock | Diamondbacks | OF | $17 |
Zack Greinke | Diamondbacks | SP | $17 |
Jean Segura | Diamondbacks | SS | $16 |
Adam Jones | Orioles | OF | $16 |
Julio Urias | Dodgers | SP | $16 |
Jonathan Villar | Brewers | SS | $16 |
Dallas Keuchel | Astros | SP | $16 |
Evan Longoria | Rays | 3B | $16 |
Kenta Maeda | Dodgers | SP | $16 |
Starling Marte | Pirates | OF | $16 |
Mike Moustakas | Royals | 3B | $16 |
Wil Myers | Padres | OF | $16 |
Neil Walker | 2B | $16 | |
David Phelps | Marlins | SP | $15 |
Jason Kipnis | Indians | 2B | $15 |
Chris Davis | Orioles | 1B | $15 |
Gio Gonzalez | Nationals | SP | $15 |
Dexter Fowler | OF | $15 | |
Vince Velasquez | Phillies | SP | $15 |
Khris Davis | Athletics | OF | $15 |
Garrett Richards | Angels | SP | $14 |
Mark Trumbo | OF | $14 | |
Matt Moore | Giants | SP | $14 |
Zach Britton | Orioles | RP | $14 |
Hunter Pence | Giants | OF | $14 |
Kendrys Morales | OF | $14 | |
Edwin Diaz | Mariners | RP | $14 |
Melky Cabrera | White Sox | OF | $13 |
Adam Eaton | White Sox | OF | $13 |
Michael Brantley | Indians | OF | $13 |
Tyler Glasnow | Pirates | SP | $13 |
Brad Miller | Rays | SS | $13 |
Craig Kimbrel | Red Sox | RP | $13 |
Josh Reddick | OF | $13 | |
Jon Gray | Rockies | SP | $13 |
Albert Pujols | Angels | 1B | $13 |
Matt Harvey | Mets | SP | $13 |
Eric Hosmer | Royals | 1B | $13 |
Gregory Polanco | Pirates | OF | $13 |
Jeff Samardzija | Giants | SP | $13 |
Kole Calhoun | Angels | OF | $12 |
Ken Giles | Astros | RP | $12 |
Ian Kinsler | Tigers | 2B | $12 |
Grant Dayton | Dodgers | RP | $12 |
Willson Contreras | Cubs | C | $12 |
Curtis Granderson | Mets | OF | $12 |
Yasmani Grandal | Dodgers | C | $12 |
Marcell Ozuna | Marlins | OF | $12 |
Michael Conforto | Mets | OF | $12 |
Jaime Garcia | Cardinals | SP | $12 |
Marcus Stroman | Blue Jays | SP | $12 |
Brian McCann | Yankees | C | $12 |
Steve Pearce | 2B | $11 | |
Matt Kemp | Braves | OF | $11 |
Hyun Soo Kim | Orioles | OF | $11 |
Jung Ho Kang | Pirates | 3B | $11 |
Blake Snell | Rays | SP | $11 |
Cam Bedrosian | Angels | RP | $11 |
Seung Hwan Oh | Cardinals | RP | $11 |
Kyle Hendricks | Cubs | SP | $11 |
Jedd Gyorko | Cardinals | SS | $11 |
Victor Martinez | Tigers | 1B | $11 |
John Lackey | Cubs | SP | $11 |
Matt Shoemaker | Angels | SP | $11 |
Josh Bell | Pirates | OF | $10 |
Domingo Santana | Brewers | OF | $10 |
Jose Quintana | White Sox | SP | $10 |
Lucas Duda | Mets | 1B | $10 |
Nomar Mazara | Rangers | OF | $10 |
Hunter Strickland | Giants | RP | $10 |
Stephen Vogt | Athletics | C | $10 |
Lorenzo Cain | Royals | OF | $10 |
Carlos Beltran | OF | $10 | |
Shawn Kelley | Nationals | RP | $10 |
Salvador Perez | Royals | C | $10 |
Carl Edwards Jr. | Cubs | RP | $10 |
Odubel Herrera | Phillies | OF | $10 |
Pedro Alvarez | 3B | $10 | |
Jason Heyward | Cubs | OF | $10 |
Carlos Rodon | White Sox | SP | $9 |
Jake Lamb | Diamondbacks | 3B | $9 |
Joc Pederson | Dodgers | OF | $9 |
Todd Frazier | White Sox | 3B | $9 |
Rick Porcello | Red Sox | SP | $9 |
Seth Smith | Mariners | OF | $9 |
Raisel Iglesias | Reds | Flex | $9 |
Cole Hamels | Rangers | SP | $9 |
Mike Montgomery | Cubs | SP | $9 |
Brett Gardner | Yankees | OF | $9 |
Jeurys Familia | Mets | RP | $9 |
Wei-Yin Chen | Marlins | SP | $9 |
Felix Hernandez | Mariners | SP | $9 |
Marcus Semien | Athletics | SS | $9 |
Russell Martin | Blue Jays | C | $9 |
Wade Davis | Royals | RP | $8 |
Max Kepler | Twins | OF | $8 |
Masahiro Tanaka | Yankees | SP | $8 |
Denard Span | Giants | OF | $8 |
Stephen Piscotty | Cardinals | OF | $8 |
David Dahl | Rockies | OF | $8 |
Alex Colome | Rays | RP | $8 |
Kyle Barraclough | Marlins | RP | $8 |
Roberto Osuna | Blue Jays | RP | $8 |
Gregory Bird | Yankees | 1B | $8 |
Jayson Werth | Nationals | OF | $8 |
Javier Baez | Cubs | SS | $8 |
Jhonny Peralta | Cardinals | SS | $8 |
Adam Wainwright | Cardinals | SP | $8 |
Asdrubal Cabrera | Mets | SS | $7 |
Eduardo Nunez | Giants | SS | $7 |
Alex Reyes | Cardinals | Flex | $7 |
Joe Panik | Giants | 2B | $7 |
Yadier Molina | Cardinals | C | $7 |
Arodys Vizcaino | Braves | RP | $7 |
Wilson Ramos | C | $7 | |
David Robertson | White Sox | RP | $7 |
Adam Ottavino | Rockies | RP | $7 |
Charlie Morton | SP | $7 | |
Lance Lynn | Cardinals | SP | $7 |
Nick Markakis | Braves | OF | $7 |
Francisco Liriano | Blue Jays | SP | $7 |
Jose Ramirez | Indians | OF | $7 |
Julio Teheran | Braves | SP | $7 |
Drew Smyly | Rays | SP | $7 |
Drew Pomeranz | Red Sox | Flex | $7 |
Nate Jones | White Sox | RP | $7 |
Chris Carter | Brewers | 1B | $7 |
Jose Reyes | Mets | SS | $7 |
Brandon Belt | Giants | 1B | $7 |
Brandon McCarthy | Dodgers | SP | $7 |
Michael Fulmer | Tigers | SP | $6 |
Hector Neris | Phillies | RP | $6 |
Logan Forsythe | Rays | 2B | $6 |
Pablo Sandoval | Red Sox | 3B | $6 |
Joey Gallo | Rangers | 3B | $6 |
Trevor Plouffe | Twins | 3B | $6 |
Danny Valencia | Athletics | OF | $6 |
Franklin Gutierrez | OF | $6 | |
Mark Melancon | RP | $6 | |
Pedro Strop | Cubs | RP | $6 |
Jharel Cotton | Athletics | SP | $6 |
Archie Bradley | Diamondbacks | SP | $6 |
Brandon Moss | OF | $6 | |
Tommy Joseph | Phillies | 1B | $6 |
Josh Smoker | Mets | RP | $5 |
Addison Russell | Cubs | SS | $5 |
Jurickson Profar | Rangers | SS | $5 |
Martin Prado | Marlins | 3B | $5 |
Jackie Bradley Jr. | Red Sox | OF | $5 |
Alex Meyer | Angels | Flex | $5 |
Nick Castellanos | Tigers | 3B | $5 |
Trevor Rosenthal | Cardinals | RP | $5 |
Scott Kazmir | Dodgers | SP | $5 |
Tom Murphy | Rockies | C | $5 |
Kevin Gausman | Orioles | SP | $5 |
Cody Allen | Indians | RP | $5 |
Tony Watson | Pirates | RP | $5 |
Aaron Sanchez | Blue Jays | SP | $5 |
Brandon Maurer | Padres | RP | $5 |
Joe Mauer | Twins | 1B | $5 |
Jose De Leon | Dodgers | SP | $5 |
Sean Manaea | Athletics | SP | $5 |
Sonny Gray | Athletics | SP | $5 |
Sean Doolittle | Athletics | RP | $5 |
Brandon Crawford | Giants | SS | $5 |
Adam Lind | 1B | $5 | |
Mike Foltynewicz | Braves | SP | $5 |
Felipe Rivero | Pirates | RP | $5 |
Yasmany Tomas | Diamondbacks | OF | $4 |
Ryan Zimmerman | Nationals | 1B | $4 |
A.J. Ramos | Marlins | RP | $4 |
Brandon Guyer | Indians | OF | $4 |
Hector Rondon | Cubs | RP | $4 |
Elvis Andrus | Rangers | SS | $4 |
Jay Bruce | Mets | OF | $4 |
Justin Bour | Marlins | 1B | $4 |
Michael Saunders | OF | $4 | |
James Hoyt | Astros | RP | $4 |
Aaron Judge | Yankees | OF | $4 |
Corey Dickerson | Rays | OF | $4 |
Chris Young | Red Sox | OF | $4 |
Welington Castillo | Diamondbacks | C | $4 |
Tyler Thornburg | Brewers | RP | $4 |
Matt Duffy | Rays | SS | $4 |
Will Smith | Giants | RP | $4 |
Jorge Polanco | Twins | SS | $4 |
Darin Ruf | Phillies | OF | $4 |
Tim Anderson | White Sox | SS | $4 |
Zack Wheeler | Mets | SP | $4 |
Adrian Gonzalez | Dodgers | 1B | $4 |
J.T. Realmuto | Marlins | C | $4 |
Travis d’Arnaud | Mets | C | $4 |
Jorge Soler | Cubs | OF | $4 |
Joe Ross | Nationals | SP | $4 |
Kelvin Herrera | Royals | RP | $4 |
Randal Grichuk | Cardinals | OF | $4 |
David Wright | Mets | 3B | $3 |
Derek Dietrich | Marlins | 2B | $3 |
Juan Nicasio | Pirates | Flex | $3 |
Nate Karns | Mariners | SP | $3 |
Collin McHugh | Astros | SP | $3 |
Ender Inciarte | Braves | OF | $3 |
Josh Ravin | Dodgers | RP | $3 |
Andrew Benintendi | Red Sox | OF | $3 |
Luke Weaver | Cardinals | SP | $3 |
Luis Severino | Yankees | SP | $3 |
Alex Gordon | Royals | OF | $3 |
Jake Odorizzi | Rays | SP | $3 |
Derek Norris | Padres | C | $3 |
Sam Dyson | Rangers | RP | $3 |
Josh Fields | Dodgers | RP | $3 |
Yangervis Solarte | Padres | 2B | $3 |
Alex Dickerson | Padres | OF | $3 |
Francisco Cervelli | Pirates | C | $3 |
Ian Kennedy | Royals | SP | $3 |
Jose Peraza | Reds | SS | $3 |
Alex Cobb | Rays | SP | $3 |
Devin Mesoraco | Reds | C | $3 |
Glen Perkins | Twins | RP | $3 |
Jacoby Ellsbury | Yankees | OF | $3 |
Yulieski Gurriel | Astros | 3B | $2 |
Yordano Ventura | Royals | SP | $2 |
Tyler Anderson | Rockies | SP | $2 |
Adam Duvall | Reds | OF | $2 |
Wilmer Flores | Mets | 2B | $2 |
Ryan Schimpf | Padres | 2B | $2 |
Ivan Nova | SP | $2 | |
Joe Musgrove | Astros | SP | $2 |
Anthony DeSclafani | Reds | SP | $2 |
Didi Gregorius | Yankees | SS | $2 |
Scott Schebler | Reds | OF | $2 |
Patrick Corbin | Diamondbacks | SP | $2 |
Pedro Baez | Dodgers | RP | $2 |
Matt Andriese | Rays | Flex | $2 |
Taijuan Walker | Mariners | SP | $2 |
Dansby Swanson | Braves | SS | $2 |
Gerardo Parra | Rockies | OF | $2 |
Devon Travis | Blue Jays | 2B | $2 |
Hyun-Jin Ryu | Dodgers | SP | $2 |
Mark Canha | Athletics | OF | $2 |
Kevin Kiermaier | Rays | OF | $2 |
John Gant | Braves | SP | $2 |
Jerad Eickhoff | Phillies | SP | $2 |
Matt Wieters | C | $2 | |
Yunel Escobar | Angels | 3B | $2 |
Steven Brault | Pirates | SP | $2 |
Zack Cozart | Reds | SS | $2 |
Steven Moya | Tigers | OF | $2 |
Brett Cecil | RP | $2 | |
Matt Joyce | OF | $2 | |
Jake Barrett | Diamondbacks | RP | $2 |
Tony Zych | Mariners | RP | $2 |
Corey Knebel | Brewers | RP | $2 |
Justin Grimm | Cubs | RP | $2 |
Kolten Wong | Cardinals | 2B | $2 |
Jonathan Schoop | Orioles | 2B | $2 |
Cesar Hernandez | Phillies | 2B | $2 |
Chris Iannetta | C | $2 | |
Matt Adams | Cardinals | 1B | $2 |
Cody Reed | Reds | Flex | $2 |
Reynaldo Lopez | Nationals | RP | $2 |
Adam Conley | Marlins | SP | $2 |
Trevor Bauer | Indians | SP | $2 |
Jon Edwards | Padres | RP | $2 |
Addison Reed | Mets | RP | $2 |
Koji Uehara | RP | $2 | |
Miguel Montero | Cubs | C | $2 |
Shawn Armstrong | Indians | RP | $1 |
Dilson Herrera | Reds | 2B | $1 |
Nori Aoki | Astros | OF | $1 |
C.J. Wilson | SP | $1 | |
Tyler Lyons | Cardinals | RP | $1 |
Stephen Cardullo | Rockies | OF | $1 |
Rubby de la Rosa | Diamondbacks | Flex | $1 |
Tanner Roark | Nationals | SP | $1 |
Ian Desmond | OF | $1 | |
Joe Wieland | Braves | SP | $1 |
Rob Refsnyder | Yankees | 2B | $1 |
Michael Wacha | Cardinals | Flex | $1 |
Drew Hutchison | Pirates | Flex | $1 |
Joe Kelly | Red Sox | RP | $1 |
Boone Logan | RP | $1 | |
Mitch Haniger | Diamondbacks | OF | $1 |
Raimel Tapia | Rockies | OF | $1 |
Andrew Heaney | Angels | SP | $1 |
Dee Gordon | Marlins | 2B | $1 |
Cristhian Adames | Rockies | SS | $1 |
Nathan Eovaldi | Yankees | SP | $1 |
Robbie Grossman | Twins | OF | $1 |
Josh Phegley | Athletics | C | $1 |
Angel Pagan | OF | $1 | |
Brock Stewart | Dodgers | Flex | $1 |
Daniel Norris | Tigers | SP | $1 |
Blake Swihart | Red Sox | C | $1 |
Mike Leake | Cardinals | SP | $1 |
Kiké Hernandez | Dodgers | 2B | $1 |
J.A. Happ | Blue Jays | SP | $1 |
Billy Butler | 1B | $1 | |
Jeimer Candelario | Cubs | 3B | $1 |
Andrew Susac | Brewers | C | $1 |
Jose Berrios | Twins | SP | $1 |
Andrelton Simmons | Angels | SS | $1 |
Brandon Drury | Diamondbacks | 2B | $1 |
Mike Napoli | 1B | $1 | |
Nick Franklin | Rays | SS | $1 |
Greg Holland | RP | $1 | |
Jordy Mercer | Pirates | SS | $1 |
Howie Kendrick | Dodgers | 2B | $1 |
John Jaso | Pirates | 1B | $1 |
Carlos Gomez | OF | $1 |
Joe works at a consulting firm in Pittsburgh. When he isn't working or studying for actuarial exams, he focuses on baseball. He also writes @thepointofpgh. Follow him on twitter @Ottoneutrades
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