2017 Pod’s Picks & Pans — Starting Pitcher
Alas, we have reached the end of the Pod’s Picks and Pans series. We conclude with a look at starting pitchers. Since there are just so many differences of opinion, I didn’t strictly go down the line of pitchers with the largest gaps, but rather cherry picked a bit that would be the most insightful.
Starting Pitchers March Rankings Update
| NAME | Mike | RG Consensus | Diff |
|---|---|---|---|
| Jeff Samardzija | 21 | 50 | -29 |
| Michael Pineda | 34 | 62 | -28 |
| Drew Hutchison | 78 | 139 | -61 |
| Nate Karns | 76 | 128 | -52 |
| Jaime Garcia | 59 | 98 | -39 |
After a disastrous 2015 in the American League, Jeff Samardzija rebounded after a return to the NL, posting an ERA more than a full run lower than his 2015 line. His strikeout rate partially bounced back, but it’s still a far cry from his pre-2015 rates. No one else seems to be buying it though, except for me, and Jeff, whose rankings are based on the projection systems. Why? He plays half his games in a top pitcher’s park that suppresses homers (something he needs given his inflated HR/FB rates at times) and in front of what is expected to be an excellent defense. He has also thrown over 200 innings in each of the past four seasons, so while he might not dazzle in the ratio categories, he’ll be more than good enough, and do it over enough innings to contribute soundly in both wins and strikeouts. He’s become a boring vet and it’s led to undervaluation.
How is it that I’m the top man on Michael Pineda (surprise, surprise), yet only managed to roster him in one of my three leagues? Perhaps I should be a bit quieter and stop talking about his sparkling SIERA so I actually have a chance to buy him and similar pitchers in the future. I think this will be the year I will finally admit to being wrong or be vindicated. BABIP and HR/FB regression apply to the vast majority of pitchers, but there are some outliers. Pineda could prove to be one, but I think we need more than two seasons to determine that. He hasn’t been particularly expensive in my leagues, but I had hoped for cheaper, given the possibility that he is one of those outliers.
I always love pitchers moving from the AL to the NL, especially coming from a major hitter’s park to one that favors pitchers. Drew Hutchison finds himself in that very situation, and moves to an excellent environment. Somehow I was the only one with a ranking in the top 100! Years ago, he was a trendy sleeper and breakout pick, and even though he’s now in a much better situation to succeed, seemingly everyone has already moved along. Don’t forget his name, as he makes for an excellent reserve rounder in 12-team mixed leagues.
Like Hutchison above, I’m easily the high man on Nate Karns and the only one ranking him inside the top 100. I love any starting pitcher in Kansas City with the excellent defense and pitcher friendly home park. With a batted ball profile that’s heavier on fly balls than the league average, KC is a fantastic landing spot for him. Add the always high strikeout rate and he’s one of my favorite sleepers. I even put my money where my mouth is, buying him in AL Tout Wars on Saturday (will get to a full write-up of Tout soon).
I’ve been finding that Jaime Garcia ends up sitting atop my values at the end of all my drafts/auctions! No one wants him. But the guy has a 3.57 career ERA with a heavy ground ball profile and acceptable strikeout rates. Infield defense is mighty important to Garcia’s success and the Braves figure to be above average everywhere except at third base, where one wonders how long Adonis Garcia is actually going to remain the starter. I’m not too excited in a shallow mixed league, but in deep mixed and NL-Only leagues, he’s probably a bargain.
| Name | Mike | RG Consensus | Diff |
|---|---|---|---|
| Gerrit Cole | 45 | 19 | 26 |
| Danny Salazar | 48 | 28 | 20 |
| Aaron Sanchez | 37 | 22 | 15 |
| Michael Fulmer | 55 | 34 | 21 |
I’m the only ranker lower than 27 for Gerrit Cole and it’s due to a combination of health issues and a dramatic degradation in underlying skills. Elbow injuries mean I can’t project more than 170 innings, which hampers both his potential win and strikeout totals (and hurts his dollar value, of course). And his SwStk% dropped below the league average, driving his SIERA to above 4.00. I like Cole’s potential and stuff, but I feel like his consensus ranking fails to account for all these risk factors.
I used to be a big Danny Salazar fan. No longer. It’s a health thing again. I’m the only one with a ranking greater than 30 here and I’m even more confident than for Cole. We have heard that elbow issues correlate to control problems. Guess what? Salazar’s walk rate spiked to 10.8% last year, easily a career high. And while I place limited weight on spring stats, he has walked 12 of the 89 batters he has faced for a whopping 13.5% walk rate. Who knows, maybe he’s just working on things that would explain it. But when he dealt with elbow issues last year, which most certainly affected his control, and he’s battling control issues again now, well, the saying goes, where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
I find Aaron Sanchez to be one of this season’s most overvalued pitchers. He posted an ERA a full run below his SIERA, thanks to a suppressed .267 BABIP. This, despite the fact he’s an extreme ground ball pitcher who induces few pop-ups, and he even allowed a 30.3% Hard%! It’s the type of batted ball profile you would expect would lead to a BABIP well above .300. He’s no better than a league average strikeout guy and he still has to prove he could go 200 innings. Frankly, I’m baffled as to why this guy gets so much love, outside the sparkling surface ERA and sexy 15-2 record in 2016.
I guess it’s not surprising that the reigning AL Rookie of the Year Michael Fulmer is overvalued in my eyes. He pulled a Sanchez by recording an ERA about a full run below his SIERA, thanks to a suppressed BABIP and inflated LOB%. There’s nothing in his profile to suggest he will continue to keep balls in play from becoming hits at that rate and since we have just one season’s worth of data, we can’t make the assumption that he’s an outlier. It’s no wonder that all the projection systems are forecasting major regression, while the Fans are a half run lower on the ERA. He definitely has some strikeout rate upside, but it won’t be enough to counter the regression dragons once his BABIP and LOB% fall back to Earth.
Mike Podhorzer is the founder of ProjectingX IQ, an advanced fantasy baseball analytics platform that transforms projection data and in-season performance signals into actionable intelligence. He is the 2015 Fantasy Sports Writers Association Baseball Writer of the Year and three-time Tout Wars champion. He is the author of the eBook Projecting X 2.0: How to Forecast Baseball Player Performance, which teaches you how to project players yourself. Follow Mike on X@MikePodhorzer and contact him via email.
Should I be terrified of the risk or excited by the upside in this staff I drafted last night?
Strasburg, Carrasco, Maeda, McCullers, Paxton, Nola, Walker, Cotton, Wacha
Limited moves, so streaming not really possible. H2H league, so I try to have a high upside collection of arms.
If it makes you feel any better, I’m with you.
Carrasco, McCullers, Rodon, J. Gray, Odorizzi, Bundy, Walker, Cotton, S. Gray
We are also H2H but have daily moves, so that helps. But yeah.
We have daily moves as well, just a budget for the season to add/drop players ($1 through the regular season, $3 post all-star break, $5 in playoffs)
Now that’s a Pod kinda staff if I’ve ever seen one!
It’s a 10 team h2h OBP league, so it’s a shallow format, but I really love my offense.
C Martin
1B Votto
2B Villar
3B Rendon
SS Story
OF Harper
OF Bautista
OF Broxton
UTL Santana
BN Thames
I took your advice and let Rendon fall to around pick 100 before I grabbed him, getting the best value. Someone actually ended up reaching over 60 spots for Sano before my pick, so made it an easy choice for me.
Harper AND Votto in an OBP?! Granted, this league is super shallow, but still.
I have Yahoo to thank for that, they have Votto 22nd and I grabbed him with the 19th pick after taking Harper second overall. This is only our second year doing OBP, so guys are still adjusting to the projection adjustments, but I’ll be happy to exploit.
Good god! How many teams in your league? I only play in deep and keeper leagues so it would be impossible to assemble a starting pitching staff like that.
Only 10…old fraternity league we’ve had going for past 10 plus years. Decent chunk of money involved as well.
Drew Hutchison is battling it out for the 5th spot in the Pirates rotation. Theres no guarantees he even starts the year with the big club in the rotation. To have him in the top 100 is shocking and an incredible bold prediction IMO.
He’s one of their five best starters (especially if you ignore Glasnow), so it would be silly if he didn’t make the rotation. Besides, my ranking is based on just 150 innings pitched.
Hutch definitely isnt standing out over his peers this spring (I know ST stats and all). Between Hutch Glasnow Brault and Williams no one has really locked down that finally role. I definitely think Hutch will start the year in the rotation (the Pirates have a couple million reasons why) but his innings will be closer to Nicasio’ as a starter last year than 150.
Couldn’t disagree more and the projections support what mine eyes have seen this March. Brault and Glasnow are far superior. Hutch projectes about even with Williams and Kingham. Hutch has been shelled all spring and neither has the stuff nor deception that once made him interesting. He will get his last chance today and the Bucs do want to save face for the Liriano debacle (he is out of options), but I can’t see how they will go with him as any more than a 7th long man in the pen. Your argument seems to be trust in Ray Searage magic, which we know isnt a great idea as a blanket approach.
“He’s one of their five best starters (especially if you ignore Glasnow), so it would be silly if he didn’t make the rotation”
He’s not. He might project to be, but when you watch this guy pitch, he’s just not that good. I’d take any of Glasnow, Williams, or Brault over him.
That being said, it’s my belief the Pirates will give him every opportunity to fail for a combination of reasons. Liriano acquisition cost, Hutch’s experience and a pattern of holding back younger players will all factor into their decision. I’d be shocked if he makes it through June in the rotation, though.
I personally would have LeBlanc in the rotation along with Hutchison, LeBlanc would be ahead of Kuhl in my mind since he has more experience and has recently shown better.
Chad Kuhl is much better than Wade. Brault and Williams would also be in the rotation over LeBlanc.
Really? Since LeBlanc has shown better strikeout and walk ratios, along with a much lower projected FIP.
What are your thoughts on Danny Duffy? A Rays fan in my league is trying to trade me him and Carlos Santana for Chris Archer
Loved him last year with the velocity spike. I like him far less now after his velocity trended downward and his skills declined over the final two months or so. I’d still buy him at the right price, but have found others like him more.
That said, totally format dependent on whether that’s a good deal or not.
I’m making that deal in a heartbeat if you need a bat. Is Archer more talented than Duffy? Maybe a little. And he’s got more track record. BUT would you be even the least bit surprised if Duffy ends up being better than Archer this year? Pull the trigger.
16 team mixed h2h
pitching cats are W, L, ERA, K, BB, WHIP, k/9, QS, S+H
batting cats are R, H, HR, RBI, SB, K, AVG, OBP, XBH
rotation is shaky as it is: Archer, Salazar, Nola, Gausman, Liriano, Lynn and De Leon in NA.
Santana would upgrade my util and have my lineup as
C: Contreras
1B: Votto
2B: Kinsler
3B: Lamb
SS: Anderson
OF: Betts
OF: Upton
OF: Ozuna
Util: Santana*
Bench:Travis
Bench: Renfroe
Bench: Sandoval
I don’t think Archer is really that much better than Duffy and given the seemingly big upgrade to Santana, I’d say you take the deal.
Mike: I have an AL-only league auction draft on Thursday night. You like Karns’ situation—I do too—but how high would you go on him before bowing out?
Keep in mind it’s a keeper league so there aren’t that many good pitchers to choose from. I plan to spend a good chunk of my available cash (I have the most at $145) on either Archer or Hamels.
I kept Stroman, Gausman, Cotton (stashed on my prospect bench so he doesn’t count against my SPs selected) and Norris.
My position players are fairly solid, so my primary focus will be on starting pitching.
I’m also interested in Boyd. Jeff Sullivan had a nice write up about him a while ago. What do you think of him as a back of the rotation starter? Thanks! (One final note: QS are one of the 7 cats on the pitching side.)
I got Karns for $4 in AL Tout. I actually had no idea his ERA was over 5.00 last year! He might come even cheaper in your league. I think I had him worth $7-$8, can’t remember.
I like Karns more than Boyd. Boyd is an extreme fly ball pitcher with worse defensive support. But certainly worth a cheap gamble in AL-Only. Then again, if your league overweights spring ERA, he’ll be more expensive than Karns and not worth it.
I was pleasantly surprised to grab Jaime Garcia in the last round of a deep mixed… But Charlie Morton is sitting in FA and has been hyped up a bunch recently
Who would you rather have, Garcia or Morton?
Depends on the format, but I’d lean toward Garcia. Much safer from an innings/health perspective and in the NL in a more favorable pitching environment. I do like Morton though.
Ah, Morton. That old salt.
If you’re worried about Cole’s elbow, you should be worried about Jaime Garcia’s entire anatomy.
Haha! But Garcia is being ranked for his poor health history, Cole is not!
Cole hasn’t really had any major injuries, small stuff like oblique strains and minor inflammation with no tears. You go right ahead and let him drop to many welcoming hands. Pineda 15 slots ahead of him is just plain dumb.
“Haha! But Garcia is being ranked for his poor health history, Cole is not!”
That’s really not true. Cole was a top 10-ish pitcher based on NFBC ADPs at this time last year. I think we can all agree that nagging injuries were the biggest reason for Cole flopping last year. This year he’s the 26th pitcher off the board so I think it’s clear that durability concerns stemming from last year are being baked in.
If you watched every inning of Aaron Sanchez last year and had no way to look at his stats you’d come away thinking the guy was an Ace. Defeated looks on hitters faces does not appear in the box score.
I wish DLHF/9 was a category in my league…
Hey Mike – any thoughts on McHugh, another one of your picks compared to the consensus?
Yeah, would have included him but was slightly concerned about the dead arm/health. Projecting him for a small rebound, clearly no one else is.
Agree on Cole. I have been baffled by how highly he is being drafted and how little anyone other than I seem to care about the posterior elbow inflammation that landed him on the 60-day DL to end last season. I’m staying completely away from him in the draft.
Have you watched Aaron Sanchez pitch? That could be why he’s so highly touted. That and his pedigree.
I nabbed Garcia late in my 16 team H2H QS league. With the Price on the shelf it’s between him and Leake for my last starter..unless Glasnow gets demoted. Here’s my rotation. We have a 9 starter limit.
Bumgarner
Price (DL)
deGrom
Quintana
Shoemaker
Roark
Norris
Ryu
Leake
Garcia
Glasnow.
I know it’s “spring training” and all but Drew Hutchison. Woof. Not really making a strong case to earn that final rotation spot. Again, our top 100 call is looking very bold.