Whither Willians?
The grind of baseball can sometimes sap the joy from the sport. Thus, it’s refreshing when a champion of the people emerges. Such a hero appeared on the scene late in the 2018 season – Twins catcher Willians Astudillo.
The catcher/first baseman hasn’t been viewed as a legitimate prospect since he was a teenager in the Phillies system. Even then, you had to dig deep to find him. Now 27, he’s become a folk hero for his base running, home run antics, and refusal to walk or strike out. Scouts call him bad-bodied. To a layman, it looks like their pudgy local plumber is running around on a field with a bunch of chiseled professionals. Just wait until he bends over…
Considering his ridiculous contact rate, there’s a high floor on his projected output. His .355/.371/.516 from last season overstates the upside, but it’s plausible to think he could hit .325/.350/.475 which works out to something like 20 percent better than a league average hitter. Projection systems are skeptical, but they tend to struggle with unusual players. That all sounds pretty tasty from a catcher-eligible player, right?
Who would you rather watch play?
— Brad Johnson (@BaseballATeam) January 10, 2019
There’s just one enormous problem. Even though we all love to watch him play, a regular role may elude him.
Astudillo is 5′ 9” which makes him a less-than-ideal target at first base. Typically, you want guys who can reach and stretch. Besides, the Twins brought aboard a classic slugger in the form of C.J. Cron. Astudillo could snipe the odd start from him, but he won’t win the job outright.
As a catcher, he’s improved from terrible to passable over the last few seasons. Even so, he’s nobody’s idea of a first string option. The Twins already have a slightly better version of the offense-first backup catcher in the form of Mitch Garver. Their starting catcher, Jason Castro, is known for his defensive prowess. Again, Astudillo could snipe some starts – perhaps serving as somebody’s personal catcher – but this isn’t a full time home for him.
His next best position is third base. He’s blocked by Miguel Sano. Here, Astudillo is hurt by history. He came to the Twins organization as a free piece of minor league filler. Minnesota has invested over $10MM in the development of Sano. They’ll be loathe to give up on a player who still has a chance to turn into a star. Besides, Sano is likely to experience the good kind of regression.
The Twins designated hitter is Nelson Cruz. No need for further discussion here.
All of these situations come with the “barring injury” caveat, and that’s where there is room for hope. Players get hurt, and Astudillo’s semi-utility puts him first in line to take advantage. He’ll have the added benefit of getting just enough action to stay sharp. He should be prepared to step up when an opportunity arrives.
When discussing top prospects, I usually advise fantasy players to ignore the depth chart. If a guy is going to provide fantasy relevant numbers, he’ll probably find his way around any major league roadblocks. This is actually a great way to create value – buy low when others sell because a guy is “blocked.”
In the case of Astudillo, I can’t really justify using this approach. At least not in 12-team mixed formats. Although his production as a catcher-eligible player could be hugely valuable, first he has to crack the lineup. And that’s going to be an uphill battle.
Unlike premium prospects who frequently offer five category upside, Willy Studs only looks like a batting average guy with perhaps just enough power to be a plus because he’s a catcher. The right lineup role could also yield decent run production. He’s highly context dependent.
We’re also very focused on the upside. There’s downside for a lot of weak ground ball outs and generally bland outcomes. Pitchers aren’t going to throw him many strikes in 2019. How he adjusts to that will be important. His 42.8 percent swing rate on pitches outside the strike zone would have rated sixth-worst in the league.
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I’m guessing his price tag has skyrocketed in the past week…
How much would you consider spending to take a flier on Willians in an Ottoneu auction (12 team H2H FGPoints to be specific)?
I’m strongly considering keeping him for $3 in FG Staff 1 just to lord him over my colleagues. Outside of overpaying for joy, I wouldn’t spend more than $1 at this time.
All very sensible but I do think everyone may be underrating the chances that Jason Castro is kaput. He had concussion issues at the end of an admittedly decent 2017 season, and migranes in a terrible early 2018 before knee surgery that was supposed to have a 4-6 week recovery time ended his season. All bad but concussion and knee issues especially worrying for a catcher. And he’s entering the last year of his contract.
Update on this, I just found a really good Dan Hays article in The Athletic last week on Castro on the comeback trail etc … not quite BSOHL but posits him as the clear starter although one of “a trio” of catchers per mgmt … we’ll see, if so it is probably good news for Twins pitchers
Thanks for looking that up, I missed that one. I’ve been waiting to hear more about Castro.
This just depresses me. Just when one thinks they’ve found a catcher that doesn’t make them retch, they’re reminded of the fact that the Twins are supposedly content with the great Jason Castro and Mitch Garver as catching options. UGH. The Twins should just act like a fantasy team and drop one or both of those defensive chumps and see what they have in Astudillo.
Signed,
Astudillo owner
Trade Willians and Dan Vogelbach to the Montreal Nextpos.
It’s not even halfway through January and we’re already resorting Willians Astudillo Week. C’mon Fangraphs.
He who is tired of Willians is tired of life.
Here is what I don’t get about him. He never really performed poorly at the plate, ever. And they kept him in rookie ball for 4 years! Outside of when he was 17 and put up a 72 wrc, here it is by year: 120,139, 120, 123,123, 79,138, 117,139. I don’t really see many bad years in there.
He was a 5’9” first baseman with no power and a profile that almost never translates to the upper minors, let alone the majors. During his Phillies prospect years, he was an atrocious catcher.
Nelson Cruz is fantastically durable, but one of these years he’ll become old for real.
Miguel Sano has never played more than 116 games in a season, and 2018 was his career low as a full time major leaguer. Dude is a walking, talking, big hitting DL trip.
CJ Cron doesn’t have injury issues that I am aware of, but last year was a career high in games played at 140.
Catchers are every bit as injury prone as pitchers, possibly more so. Castro’s history is full of “catcher injuries” so there’s every reason to expect more of them.
Wherever La Tortuga is being drafted is probably too high, but you could do worse as a bottom of the roster stash.
Sure. But the last sentence is what ultimately matters. You can/should stash him if he’s priced as a stash. No reason to pay more at this time.
I agree on Cruz getting old eventually, but Astudillo isn’t taking PA away from Cruz unless Cruz really, really, REALLY goes in the tank.
Have to agree with Brad on Sano – Sano will be given every opportunity and guys are injury-prone until they aren’t.
Cron’s high is 140 games, but he was stuck behind Pujols in 2014-2015 since Pujols insists on playing the field if he is physically capable. He was then platooned pretty heavily in 2016-2017, but I do note that he took over as the Angels’ everyday 1B in 8/2017. Since 8/1/17, Cron has started 193 of his teams’ 218 games and he proved last year that he could manage righties so he’s probably the everyday guy unless he sucks.
No, catcher is Astudillo’s best bet and as noted, he’s 3rd on the depth chart there.
I love possibly picking him up, but I have to agree with others that he has a tough road to any sort of regular PA. Actually his best bet for regular PA might be a Marwin Gonzalez role where he starts 4 or 5 days a week at each of the 4 spots to keep the regulars fresh. With more and more teams carrying more and more pitchers, catchers who can get out from behind the plate and play the field is going to become a thing I think.
12-Team AL-Only keeper league with 23-man rosters. Astudillo will be available at auction this year. I am thinking of bidding $40 for him. Is this reasonable, or should I be willing to go up to $50?
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Willians is underrated defensively at catcher, although whether the Twins are aware of it remains to be seen. He ranked 30 out of over 117 eligible catchers in catcher strikes above average, baseball prospectus’ rate stat for framing. Castro ranked nearby at 28, though Astudillo is far superior offensively. Garver ranked 97th. On the downside, Astudillo ranked 94th in EPAA, errant pitches above average, BP’s blocking rate stat. Garver ranked 54 and Castro ranked 108 in EPAA.
Overall, Astudillo ranked 19th among catchers in fielding runs above average per inning, minimum 125 innings at catcher. This is close to Castro at 16, and much better than Garver at 97. It’s a bit of a small sample size for Astudillo, but statistical indicators so far suggest he is solid defensively.
Btw here is the top 30 overall catchers according to BP’s fielding runs above average per inning min 125 innings:
Jeff Mathis
Austin Barnes
Max Stassi
Roberto Perez
Tony Wolters
John Ryan Murphy
Tyler Flowers
Erik Kratz
Kyle Higashioka
Yasmani Grandal
Luke Maile
Sandy Leon
Cameron Gallagher
Tomas Nido
Austin Hedges
Jason Castro
Jorge Alfaro
Chris Gimenez
Rafael Lopez
Willians Astudillo
Christian Vazquez
Russell Martin
Bryan Holaday
Austin Romine
Bobby Wilson
Yan Gomes
Manny Pina
Mike Zunino
Alex Avila
Danny Jansen
Here is the top 30 with a half season minimum (min 500 innings):
Max Stassi
Tyler Flowers
Yasmani Grandal
Sandy Leon
Austin Hedges
Jorge Alfaro
Christian Vazquez
Russell Martin
Austin Romine
Yan Gomes
Manny Pina
Mike Zunino
J.t. Realmuto
Martin Maldonado
Buster Posey
Yadier Molina
Chris Iannetta
Wilson Ramos
Gary Sanchez
Kevin Plawecki
James Mccann
Francisco Cervelli
Caleb Joseph
Kurt Suzuki
Salvador Perez
Jonathan Lucroy
Tucker Barnhart
Robinson Chirinos
Mitch Garver
Devin Mesoraco