Why Is Matt Carpenter Getting No Love?

Last week, I wrote a reaction piece to Yahoo’s average auction values at second base. This exercise helped me identify some trends regarding underpaid and overpaid players at the position heading into the 2017 season. One such discovery was that of Matt Carpenter’s budget-friendly $16.2 average auction price.

Considering Carpenter’s prodigious power production over the last two seasons, it surprised me to see that owners were spending more on 11 other 2B, all the way up to Jose Altuve’s steep $49.0 price tag. Specifically, I’m wondering why Carp costs about ten bucks less than anyone in the Robinson Cano/Brian Dozier/Jonathan Villar/Daniel Murphy/Rougned Odor tier. All of those players are going off the board for $25-$28.

Carp’s numbers last year looked roughly identical to his 2015, with the exception of about 100 fewer plate appearances, due to a DL stint for an oblique injury.

  • 2015: .272/.365/.505, .233 ISO, 12.2% BB, 22.7% K
  • 2016: .271/.380/.505, .235 ISO, 14.3% BB, 19.1% K

Any questions about the legitimacy of his 2015 power breakout vanished, as he managed to slightly improve upon his previous career-high isolated power. However, it’s also important to examine his 2016 season as a tale of two halves, pre- and post-injury.

That oblique ailment — which Carpenter suffered on July 6 — came at the worst possible time. Carpenter raked for the season’s first three months, and was one of the toughest outs in all of baseball.

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  • 4/3-7/6: .298/.420/.568, .270 ISO, 16.5% BB, 17.4% K

Carp missed about a month with the oblique injury, and was clearly not the same when he returned.

  • 8/5-10/2: .229/.316/.410, .181 ISO, 10.7% BB, 21.9% K

Oblique injuries are notorious for lingering, and it appears that’s exactly what happened to Carpenter, as he struggled to return to form. Now, he enters 2017 at full health, looking to build off his incredible first half of 2016.

But fantasy owners clearly aren’t buying this narrative, and neither are projection systems. I don’t remotely understand why Steamer projects Carp for a .177 ISO, or why ZiPS expects only a slightly better .189. That’s right around the power level he hit at in the last two months of 2016 in the aftermath of the oblique injury. Why so bearish on the power, when he put up a .233 ISO in 2015, and increased that to .270 before he got hurt last year?

I’ll go on to add that both Steamer and ZiPS also project Carp to post a career-worst batting average. I understand that these systems might not appropriately weigh samples from players with nagging injuries, but why does everyone from projection systems to owners in Yahoo auctions expect Carpenter to regress so significantly?

To put a different spin on all this, check out Carpenter’s batted-ball profile for the first three months of 2016. How much more can a player do to prove that his improvements are for real?

  • Soft – 7.4%, Medium – 48.0%, Hard 44.5%

We’re still a couple weeks away from Bold Predictions season here at RotoGraphs, but I’ll go ahead and make one right now: Matt Carpenter will outperform his Fans projection for 2017. For reference, at the time of this writing, the fans project Carp’s 5×5 performance to include a .272 AVG, 24 HR, 108 R, 95 RBI and 4 SB.

Keep in mind that the Bold Predictions series aims for a roughly 30% success rate. In other words, they’re somewhat unlikely, but without being outlandish. I think that’s exactly what I stumbled across here.

Whether Carpenter actually outperforms the fans’ projections or not, he clearly deserves more than a $16 auction bid, and he even more certainly shouldn’t be cheaper than 11 other second basemen (especially since Carp is also eligible at 3B and 1B). If these pricing models hold true in my own auctions, Carpenter will be one of my favorite value targets.





Scott Strandberg started writing for Rotographs in 2013. He works in small business consultation, and he also writes A&E columns for The Norman Transcript newspaper. Scott lives in Seattle, WA.

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MentholMember since 2014
9 years ago

Couldn’t agree more. Depending on Altuve’s availability and my draft position, I’ll be targeting Carpenter if I miss out on Jose.

scott
9 years ago

With the same amount of ABs as 2015 his last season pace would of been 98 25 83 0 .271. Would of exceeded that for sure without the injury hampering his play, but the fans did tack on 4sbs and an extra 23 R+rbi. Doesn’t seem so low to me.

Lanidrac
9 years ago
Reply to  scott

That’s why he said surpassing the fans’ projections would be a BOLD prediction. Even just a repeat of those extrapolated numbers would create a much higher value than where he’s being drafted.

deb81162
9 years ago

In a points league the man is gold. I love that Carpenter doesn’t get any respect. I get him later or cheaper depending on the type of draft. BTW, Carpenters OPS of .988 when he got hurt was 5th best in all of MLB.

Jim Melichar
9 years ago

Carpenter is getting a ton of love from me. I think you have to read/dig on him to understand him, his value, how the projections aren’t doing him any favors and then hope your league-mates don’t understand/appreciate him either.

hecarriedhisbatMember since 2024
9 years ago

Getting him at auction at $16 is fine, having Carpenter on your roster at a higher number (like I do)….feels risky. Maybe he does bounce back from the oblique, but more likely he has peaked.

Plus, there is the old saw of Carpenter being much more productive as a leadoff hitter, with Dexter Fowler now in that role.

thehotteststove
9 years ago

This has been greatly misunderstood… Carpenter has never been given a full complement around him when he switches spots. Matheny has only moved Carp from leadoff as a last resort when bad things around him happen to the lineup. It’s the move the cardinals tried when the lineup was falling apart and needed salvation. Others at the top of the order were already struggling, carp was already struggling, and/or other guys like Holliday and Adams were hurt. In one of the short attempts Carp was playing through a lingering injury. Let him hit second or third in the midst of a real lineup for an extended period and he’ll be great.

gristlewhistle
9 years ago

One legitimate concern with fantasy owners, is his batting average. He’s shown no upside the last three years (.272, .272, .271) and it’s tempting for rotoheads to say, look at Carpenter, he is reliable for a batting average that ‘won’t hurt you’

Problem is that’s not true. It will hurt you. It tends to take a high .280s to win or even be top three in AVG in most leagues. That means that a .271 average is actually hurting you. Yes league average was .255 last year, but for fantasy, you are hoping for that high .280s. So anything below is a detriment and must be accounted for. As owners become more accustomed to rostering sub .250 players, they see false security in Carpenter’s batting average.

MentholMember since 2014
9 years ago
Reply to  gristlewhistle

He’s very good for OBP leagues, though.

scott
9 years ago
Reply to  gristlewhistle

Definitely does not help you, but I don’t think he hurts you at .271. A .271 avg would of ranked 6/12 each of the last 2 years in my 12 teamer w/ 13 O slots. In that league in the last 2 years, only 3 teams have topped .280 with .282 the high.

Anonymous
9 years ago
Reply to  gristlewhistle

Top 3 in 12-team rotos is a .275 avg. Yes, Carpenter will *technically* “hurt” you with a .272, but that’s being rather pedantic, don’t you think?

dukebd555Member since 2020
9 years ago

Shhhh! Stop writing these articles. I love carpenter and especially his multi positjally eligibility. I think he doesn’t get a lot of love because of how deep 2b is. Between the stars at the top and just the overall quality, carp gets lost in the shuffle

exxroxMember since 2026
9 years ago

Carpenter has been chronically underrated his whole fantasy career. I’ve owned him since the start of his career in dynasty (picked him up for free, fittingly), and all he’s done is produce. He’s especially a monster because it counts OBP and XBH (so many doubles), but he’s pretty much impossible to deal.

I have never received a fair offer for him in 4 years, despite him being available the whole time. Basically just slips through the cracks, so I just take the value and smile.

igloo
9 years ago

You know how certain posts show up on a player’s page? This one shows up on Matt Carpenters. Please remove it