Way Too Early Top 10 SP for 2015

I spent an hour trying to find something relevant to say about the last two weeks of the season but was unsuccessful. Or at least there was no topic worth spending several hundred words on. If you’re looking for a two start streamer in what is likely the last week of your H2H playoffs, look at Blue Jays Marcus Stroman and Drew Hutchison. They’re the most talented pitchers owned in less than 50% of ESPN.com leagues in terms of K-BB% and OPS allowed on balls in play (aka limiting hard contact). Instead, let’s spend a few hundred words quickly running through a way too early top 10 SP list for next year.

1. Clayton Kershaw

Self-explanatory.

2. Felix Hernandez

Since 2008, no pitcher has thrown more innings that King Felix. And Felix has the fourth best ERA in that time frame. Given that he’ll only turn 29 shortly after Opening Day next season, there’s really no safer pick than Hernandez. Of course “safe” is a word not synonymous with pitchers, but no pitcher is a better bet to give you 200+ innings of well above average stats. You’ll have to spend a top 30 pick to roster Hernandez, which is not something that fits with my personal strategy. But if you like to grab a top starter early, Kershaw and Felix should be the top options.

3. Johnny Cueto

We often look at pitchers with ERA estimators much higher than their actual ERA and expect them to regress. And rightly so. But some pitchers are exceptions to that rule, and Cueto is one of them. We’re going on five years now where Cueto’s ERA has been markedly lower than his SIERA and xFIP. How? Cueto is the king of limiting hard contact. Cueto’s OPS allowed on balls in play is 35% better than league average this year, the eighth best mark in the league. From 2011-2012 he was second in the league in that stat with an OPS allowed that was 42% better than league average. His ERA was also much lower than his estimators in 2013, but he didn’t have enough innings to qualify for my 2013 study of OPS allowed.

He likely won’t strikeout 25% of the batters he faces next year as that K% spike isn’t really in line with his SwStr% that’s around where it has always been. But he’ll stike out more batters than league average and walk fewer batters than league average. He also has a history of winning a high percentage of his starts. He’s a true stud.

4. Chris Sale

Sale took it to another level this year by missing more bats than anyone not named Kershaw. Sale has the second best SwStr% in the league at 13%, and his contact rate dropped about three percentage points from last year. He also upped his first-pitch strike percentage by several points and was top ten in the league in that department among qualified starters. Truly, the only pitcher in the league who has a better combination of being able to miss bats and getting ahead in the count is Kershaw. Sale could easily be the top starter at the end of next year, but he might have a little more risk of injury than some of the other top starters. If upside is your thing, Sale is your guy.

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5. Adam Wainwright

Wainwright was drafted like a top five starter and has performed like one according to ESPN’s player rater, so why shouldn’t he be treated like one next year? He’s the first guy on this list on the wrong side of 30, so the risk may be a little higher. If you’re looking for other things to be concerned about, his strikeout rate is below 20% for the first time since 2008, and his fastball velocity is down a tick from last year though in line with his career average. The thing Wainwright has done ridiculously well this year is limit damage on balls on play. His OPS allowed on balls in play is 46% better than league average. There may be some regression in order, but year-to-year correlation in OPS allowed is much higher for guys on the extreme ends of the statistic than it is for guys in the middle. Wainwright is a top five pitcher in that regard and should be drafted like one next year.

6. Madison Bumgarner

7. Max Scherzer

8. Stephen Strasburg

9. Yu Darvish

10. Corey Kluber

This is where it got tough. Scherzer and Strasburg couldn’t be left off the list because they’re two of only four pitchers with a K-BB% of 20% or higher from 2012 to present. Bumgarner couldn’t be left off because he’s been a top 12 starter on ESPN’s player rater in each of the last two seasons, which is something neither Scherzer or Strasburg can claim. In fact, Strasburg hasn’t finished that high in either season. Darvish couldn’t be left off the list because he has the second highest raw strikeout total since the beginning of 2012, and he hasn’t pitched in a month.

The only one who could have been left off is Kluber. David PriceZack GreinkeJon Lester and maybe even someone like Masahiro Tanaka would all be reasonable inclusions on a list like this. But Kluber gets the nod because his strikeout rate rivals that of Felix and Price, and his raw strikeout total is second to only Price and Scherzer. The reason Kluber is ranked higher than Price despite the strikeout similarities is because Kluber’s ratio stats have been as valuable in fantasy as those of Wade Davis. Among pitchers with at least 60 innings pitched, Davis’ ERA is over half a run lower than anyone else’s. As you can see by clicking on the previous link, Kluber’s 2.45 ERA has been even more valuable that Davis’ because Kluber has 212.2 innings to go along with the 2.45 ERA. No one would fault you for preferring Price’s track record, but Price has had a hard time limiting weak contact this year. It’s Kluber for me, but to each his own. Feel free to leave your top 10 below.





You can find more of Brett's work on TheFantasyFix.com or follow him on Twitter @TheRealTAL.

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ozzie
11 years ago

“But he might have a little more risk of injury than some of the other top starters.”

This is poor rationale for ranking Sale #4. His probability for injury is no less or greater than any other starting pitcher.

Chicago Mark
11 years ago
Reply to  ozzie

Hello Ozzie. Many think Sale puts more stress on his arm/elbow and therefore a higher risk. Just sayin.

ozzie
11 years ago
Reply to  Chicago Mark

Yeah, and they’ve been saying for that for awhile 🙂 Relating pitching mechanics to injury is much more speculative than we think.

Robert Hombre
11 years ago
Reply to  Chicago Mark

… And he also missed a month due to a flexor strain. Elbow injury that sidelined him for 32 games.

This isn’t an ex nihilo narrative.

frivoflava29
11 years ago
Reply to  ozzie

Have you ever seen him throw a baseball?

novaether
11 years ago
Reply to  ozzie

The issue is the lack of mention of Cueto’s injury risk. I understand the cause for concern with Sale’s mechanics, but it seems unfair to slot him below Cueto because of an injury concern. Past injury is the best predictor of future injury and Cueto has to fall into a bigger risk bucket on this factor.

bbbball
11 years ago

Would Matt Harvey get any consideration in the top 10?

Lanidrac
11 years ago
Reply to  bbbball

It always takes a while to come back fully from Tommy John Surgery even if you’re not coming back midseason. For example, Wainwright missed the 2011 season, no more and no less, and he wasn’t his usual dominating self until the second half of the 2012 season.

ozzie
11 years ago

Yeah, and they’ve been saying for that for awhile 🙂 Relating pitching mechanics to injury is much more speculative than we think.

Rob
11 years ago

Sale is also throwing fewer sliders to reduce the stress on his arm, and he is having his best season ratio wise. Additionally his fastball velocity is up a tick. In my opinion Sale is easily a better pick next year than Cueto.

Sandy
11 years ago

Any case for Jose Fernandez to be on this list? Or will he lose too much time to Tommy John rehab?

Dewon Brazeltron
11 years ago
Reply to  Sandy

wont throw enough innings

bbbball
11 years ago

How about Matt Harvey coming back from TJS?

mg
11 years ago

i will be extremely cautious on cueto and wainwright due to injury history. wainwright has shown some injury indicators. Both might be outside my top 10 with price and greinke filling in.

Lanidrac
11 years ago
Reply to  mg

Other than the single case of missing the 2011 season to TJS, Wainwright hasn’t spent any significant time on the DL since 2008. How does that make him injury prone?

David
11 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Didn’t he just have elbow surgery ?

Bill
11 years ago

Draft hitters. Find pitchers.

Dewon Brazeltron
11 years ago
Reply to  Bill

This.

Won the regular season and in the championship week and my SP auction dollars spent as it stands today is $13 of 260 budget, with Jake Peavy being the most expensive at $4, I picked him off waivers once the Giants got him.

Kluber, Archer, Odorizzi, Hughes, Cosart, Henderson Alvarez are my other mainstays.

Wobatus
11 years ago

There are more hitters to find than pitchers.

Morgan Conrad
11 years ago
Reply to  Bill

Maybe. However, as a counterexample, I’m in a league that undervalues SP and the draft picks really fit with picking Kershaw and Felix. Combined with a later pick of Shark, plus skill & good luck in streaming, will probably score 10s in W,K,ERA and WHIP. Yes, hitting is struggling, especially power, but you can pick up some (Chris Carter) along the way. Not sure I will try the same strategy again, but getting a couple of SP studs early can work.

Tom B
11 years ago
Reply to  Bill

IMO… The more active and competitive your league is, the less likely this is to work. More active competition for FA pickups means drafting good reliable pitchers (particularly closers) is more important.

Green Mountain Boy
11 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

You can ALWAYS find pitching. If it takes till July to hash your staff out, so be it. That’s still plenty of time, trust me. For example, I added Richards, Ross, Kluber, and McHugh all after June this year. They’ve done right by me. That said, you do need to try to draft an anchor… Kershaw, Hernandez, Harvey, Fernandez (Blew up on me this year, but still a good pick), Scherzer, Bumgarner.

So focus on hitting first, maybe after ranking Kershaw #1 cause he’s such a huge talent. Focus on Contact%, BB%, and HR/FB. Make sure you get 2 of 3. In other words, stay away from free-swinging guy – Cespedes, Napoli, Davis, and yes, Stanton. They’ll kill you in the long run if your league counts BB and K as stats. If it doesn’t, go for it, but your league just isn’t that interesting.

All comments based on participation in a very fun 15 x 15 league the past 10 years.

carlton
11 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

You picked up 3 of the best SPs this season….in June?

no offense, but it sounds like your league is casual to say the least.

CM52
11 years ago
Reply to  Tom B

LOL at picking up Richards, Ross, Kluber and McHugh after June. We’re talking about competitive leagues here.

Will
11 years ago

On Wainwright, “There may be some regression in order” understates things quite a bit. His BABIP is a career low, his HR/FB a career low; add to that signs in his peripherals: his K-BB is down considerably from recent years, he has his lowest ever GB%, highest ever OFFB%, etc. Another year older, along with that across-the-board decline in velocity, and I’m not picking him 5th were I someone who paid for elite pitching.

Daniel Schwartz
11 years ago
Reply to  Will

i 2nd this comment…im all about trading him in keeper leagues and am not targeting him in the same class as many of the above options.

Jack Sprat
11 years ago

Read the article here about Wainwright about a month ago. Seems like it’s even odds he’ll need TJ surgey sometime next season. Love the guy, but I traded him away for several players to help me this year.

Lanidrac
11 years ago
Reply to  Will

Let me translate that for you: Wainwright’s BABIP is a career low mostly because the Cardinals are using a lot more defensive shifts this year, his HR/FB% is a career low partly because he’s relying more and more on an excellent cutter, his BB% is up from last year but still the second lowest of his career, his GB% is barely the lowest of his career and only 5.1% below his career high (similar story with his LD%), and his (barely in every case) across-the-board decline in velocity compared to last year is still higher in many cases than earlier in his career.

Basically, he’s showing slight signs of decline but is still an elite pitcher in the near future.

Noah Baron
11 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

How about no? Sounds like you’re sugarcoating his decline to make yourself feel better as Cardinals fan

Emcee Peepants
11 years ago

What about Jordan Zimmermann? His stats stack up pretty favorably to Bumgarner and Lester and even has a similar profile to Waino (with fewer innings). I’m not sure if he’s quite top 10, but he certainly deserves to be in the discussion and seems to be underrated and under-discussed.

Bill
11 years ago

Underrated, yes…but doesn’t mean in the top 10.

Emcee Peepants
11 years ago
Reply to  Bill

I agree, just saying he deserved to be thrown into the Lester/Grienke/Price fringe.

Since 2011, when Zimmermann and Bumgarner became full-time starters:

Zimm: 51-33, 7.22 k/9, 1.69 bb/9, 3.05/3.21/3.54 ERA/FIP/xFIP, 14.7 WAR
Bum: 60-42, 8.68 k/9, 2.18 bb/9, 3.07/3.03/3.20 ERA/FIP/xFIP, 14.7 WAR
Grienke: 61-23, 8.93 k/9, 2.24 bb/9, 3.15/3.08/3.00 ERA/FIP/xFIP, 14.8 WAR

The K’s aren’t quite there but they are above 8 this year and he never walks anyone. Again, I agree probably not top 10 but should be in the discussion and definitely top 15.

Will
11 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

He’s been underrated pretty much always (including this year, as I think the FG rankings had him around 30, and maybe the highest individual prediction was 25). Right now he’s 16th on Yahoo in starter rank, and he was better before. As Brad knows, he was my man-crush for a while (though I won’t pay his price anymore).

Fish
11 years ago

Someone’s drinking the Salfino Kool-Aid

RotoworldModsAreNazis
11 years ago
Reply to  Fish

The Salfino “kool aid” yielded very good results this year, actually. I’ll be listening very closely to what he has to say in spring next year regrading SP as well.

equistMember since 2017
11 years ago

Per Siera:

1) Kershaw
2) Sale
3) Hernandez
4) Tanaka
5) Strasburg
6) Price
7) Kluber
8) Greinke
9) Darvish
10)Scherzer, Iwakuma and Bumgarner

I know Siera is not perfect, but that’s a pretty good list.

Tom B
11 years ago

I would be interested in a continuation of a list like this. It would be nice for determining any available or useful keepers for next season.

emrldwpnMember since 2016
11 years ago

Cueto ranking looks ridiculous. Yes, he seems to be able to keep his ERA below his FIP. However, he won’t maintain his .238 babip, nearly 84% strand rate, and the k-rate is not supported by SwStr% as you mentioned. He won’t be in the top 10 next year, probably closer to top 15

Scotttttttttttttttt
11 years ago

Is anyone keeping Jose Fernandez in keeper leagues? Or that as crazy as it sounds?

Shawnuel
11 years ago

I am considering keeping him.

Scotttttttttttttttt
11 years ago

I have Cueto, Kluber, and Fernandez on one keeper league team. Keep all? Keep none? What do I do? WHAT DO I DO?

Ned Shakeshaft
11 years ago

The answer totally depends on your league’s size, scoring structure and keeper format, your other potential keepers, tendency of other owners, etc. But if you’re asking if these gyuys are keep-worthy in general, well, yeah.

John
11 years ago

Price has a higher K rate than Kluber. Just saying. Might wanna fix that.

baltic wolfMember since 2016
11 years ago

Scherzer’s ranking for next year: doesn’t that depend a lot on where he ends up? He gives up a fair number of fly balls and while he’s done a good job of suppressing home runs the last two years (about 7.5%), I doubt that his HR/FB rate will stay as low if he ends up with the Yankees and has to deal with that short porch in RF.

I’d rank him in the top 10 if he goes to the Cubs, Angels or stays with the Tigers. Borderline if he signs with the Red Sox (AL East park factors); out of the top ten if he signs with the Yankees (unlikely because of payroll obligations, but not a zero percent chance either).

cs3
11 years ago

There is no way Wainwright should be drafted as a top 5 SP next year.
I dont think hes even top 12

Shawnuel
11 years ago

I have Fernandez, Harvey and Richards in a keeper league. Also Matt Moore (yes….it was a bad season) but keeping him isn’t even a thought. Harvey seems most likely to be ready to begin the season.

Brad JohnsonMember
11 years ago

fwiw, I have Wainwright outside of my top 10, Cueto somewhere around #10, Kluber in the top 5, and either Price or Tanaka taking Waino’s spot.

Which is actually is quite a lot of agreement given that it’s September.

Not an expert
11 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

What a coincidence – those are all improvements I suggested making to the list. I was thinking Price should be a top 10 guy too. Tanaka has been topping out at 92 mph last I knew so no way you can put him in the top 10 yet, but if he regains his velocity then sure.

Scott
11 years ago

How about Andrew Cashner? Aside from his awful team, is it a foregone conclusion that he won’t pitch 200 innings?

Not an expert
11 years ago

Cueto and Wainwright are way too high on this list. Not only do they have unsustainable luck-gauges but they also aren’t getting younger and I can’t see how you can justify putting them ahead of the likes of even someone like Kluber who is #10 on your list. Kluber is in his prime with outstanding peripherals and an ERA which is matching them this year. He’s also been a workhorse, good for 2nd in the majors in K’s.

Alex
11 years ago

Woo early for Alex Wood? Is he the Madison Bumgarner of 2013?