Updated Consensus Ranks: Catcher
It’s time for the updated catcher ranks.
I do actually like the process of ranking players. It’s enjoyable to weight different inputs, and consider a player’s long-term track record as well as their short-term work. I like taking a look at the few things that stabilize quickly — contact and swing rates, and (soon) batted ball mix — and looking for legitimate change in the early season.
But it does seem to get us all riled up. And that can be exhausting.
It’s cool, it’s the way of the world. But the number one thing that seems to drive a lot of the discussion is power. And almost every power metric takes a long time to stabilize. Hit a couple of home runs and suddenly your ISO looks fine. Drive a few balls and your batted ball distance improves. As the weather improves, the balls go further.
So it’s not that worrisome to me that Jonathan Lucroy’s power is down. You didn’t own him for power anyway, and he’s still just as likely to hit ten out. Brian McCann doesn’t jump in the rankings because of the homers — well not because of the homers themselves, but because they represent possibly decent health — and Miguel Montero looks to be about the same as ever (with a ground-ball asterisk).
But I tend to take the long view. It’s served me well to have faith that players will play to their track record. As long as they aren’t too old and their body isn’t starting to break down, they should be able to play that way again.
Who do you think we are too patient on? Who did we move too quickly on?
With the color-coding we hope to highlight the biggest movers. That definition changes as you follow the ranks down the list — players had to move more to register a color change as you near the bottom of the list. These are rest-of-season rankings for 5×5 roto.
| RG | Player | JZ | ES | MP | ZS |
| 1 | Buster Posey | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| 2 | Carlos Santana | 2 | 2 | 4 | 3 |
| 3 | Joe Mauer | 5 | 4 | 2 | 2 |
| 4 | Wilin Rosario | 3 | 3 | 6 | 4 |
| 5 | Yadier Molina | 4 | 5 | 3 | 5 |
| 6 | Mike Napoli | 7 | 6 | 5 | 6 |
| 7 | Matt Wieters | 6 | 7 | 8 | 8 |
| 8 | Brian McCann | 10 | 8 | 7 | 7 |
| 9 | Salvador Perez | 9 | 9 | 12 | 9 |
| 10 | Victor Martinez | 11 | 10 | 9 | 10 |
| 11 | Jonathan Lucroy | 13 | 11 | 10 | 12 |
| 12 | Miguel Montero | 14 | 12 | 13 | 13 |
| 13 | A.J. Pierzynski | 12 | 13 | 15 | 19 |
| 14 | Jesus Montero | 8 | 14 | 11 | 24 |
| 15 | Ryan Doumit | 17 | 15 | 14 | 17 |
| 16 | Carlos Ruiz | 20 | 16 | 16 | 11 |
| 17 | Russell Martin | 19 | 17 | 20 | 15 |
| 18 | Evan Gattis | 16 | 18 | 25 | 20 |
| 19 | J.P. Arencibia | 18 | 19 | 21 | 14 |
| 20 | Alex Avila | 21 | 20 | 18 | 16 |
| 21 | John Jaso | 23 | 21 | 17 | 22 |
| 22 | Jordan Pacheco | 15 | 22 | 27 | 32 |
| 23 | A.J. Ellis | 28 | 23 | 29 | 18 |
| 24 | Jarrod Saltalamacchia | 26 | 24 | 19 | 31 |
| 25 | Yasmani Grandal | 30 | 25 | 28 | 21 |
| 26 | Welington Castillo | 24 | 26 | 34 | 23 |
| 27 | Wilson Ramos | 25 | 27 | 26 | 30 |
| 28 | John Buck | 29 | 28 | 24 | 26 |
| 29 | Rob Brantly | 27 | 29 | 32 | 25 |
| 30 | Chris Iannetta | 39 | 30 | 22 | 29 |
| 31 | Kurt Suzuki | 22 | 31 | 30 | 40 |
| 32 | Jason Castro | 34 | 32 | 23 | 39 |
| 33 | Ryan Hanigan | 41 | 33 | 31 | 27 |
| 34 | Travis D’Arnaud | 31 | 34 | 41 | 34 |
| 35 | Tyler Flowers | 35 | 35 | 33 | 36 |
| 36 | Devin Mesoraco | 33 | 36 | 35 | 38 |
| 37 | Francisco Cervelli | 41 | 37 | 41 | 28 |
| 38 | Geovany Soto | 36 | 38 | 41 | 35 |
| 39 | Derek Norris | 37 | 39 | 41 | 41 |
| 40 | Miguel Olivo | 38 | 40 | 41 | 41 |
Also appearing on one ranking list: Erik Kratz, Kyle Skipworth, Mike Zunino, Ryan Lavarnway, Nick Hundley and Kelly Shoppach.
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Was wondering where Buck would go in this. He’s had his fun. ROS he will be terrible.
Arencibia gets no respect. Gattis? Gattis is Arencibia without the playing time.
And almost 10% difference in strikeout rate.
Arencibia is at 28.9% in over 1000 career PAs. Gattis is at 24.8% and hasn’t been around the league twice yet. They are the same age. Arencibia has a full time job. In an OBP league you can make an argument, but in a standard league Arencibia is MUCH better. Better than Pierzinski, Martin and Ruiz too, in my opinion.
I’m not holding Gattis’ age against him as a prospect any more. Extenuating circumstances. His MiLB stats suggest that he’s going to improve his K%, not get worse. And I think he’s staked out playing time at this point.
I’d expect Gattis’ K% to come down from where it’s at, given his minor league rates. I wouldn’t have expected Arencibia’s K% to be so high based on his minor league stats, but with 1000 PAs I don’t expect it to come down much. I think we know generally what type of player Arencibia is, and I’d rather bet on Gattis. Obviously it’s pretty close to a toss up, but I am not a huge fan of Arencibia.
i love gattis and agree about giving him a pass on the age and K% but i’m not so sure about the playing time once mccann and heyward are both back in the lineup. i think gattis will still play but i can see him taking a pretty major hit, down to half-time player status or worse. i mean where do you put him. mccann, freeman, upton, upton, heyward… those are the only places he can go. mccann’s off days, the DH in AL parks, and a little outfield rotation… that’s still not a huge amount
Gattis will have real trouble finding playing time with McCann and Heyward back. Would you start Gattis over Freeman? Never. He may get a couple days a week when McCann rests but I can’t see him getting 4+ starts/week.
that’s what *i* said
Is there any reason to start Freeman over Gattis aside from age? In the minors, Gattis has posted superior numbers. In the majors, Gattis has and is projected to post superior numbers: ZIPs RoS prediction gives him 1.2 WAR in 73 games/317 PA: ZIPs gives Freeman 1.7 WAR in 114 games/472 PA. Reverse the PT numbers and I think Gattis comes out even or better. Freeman has never posted a 2 WAR season even in his two full years. What makes Freeman such a better choice? Especially since Gattis could use the PT for when he likely takes over for McCann next year: Freeman has enough time to be the one with 73 games and 317 PA for a year.
uh doesn’t WAR adjust for position and isn’t WAR calculating gattis as a catcher vs freeman as a 1B. i think that makes a difference
update, gattis hasn’t started a game in the week since this article was posted
Looks like I’ll be wrong then. Too bad. Decent keeper league guy though, since I doubt the Braves sign McCann.
I have Doumit at C and was offered JP for Mujica, do i accept?
Advice without context, is never good advice.
I was offered purple, wolf, Bolivia, and argon for yellow, snow leopard, Slovenia, and bizmuth. Good deal?
On that note – NO!
I can’t believe Nick Hundley didn’t even crack your top 40. I realize Yasmani Grandal can come back in 2 weeks, and Hundley has tapered off as of late, but he’s definitely better than the guys toward the bottom of your list.
Not at all the classiest way to put it, but I don’t blame Hundley for feeling that way. This is his job and livelihood, and his starting slot is threatened by a guy who cheated his balls off…I don’t know that I can blame him for having a chapped ass.
surprised to see Grandal so low honestly. I know hes still got about 12 or so games before he can return, but the guy can rake for sure. any reasoning behind his lower ranking? outside of maybe fears that he will split time with Hundley whose been pretty decent this year?
The RG writers undoubtedly pay too much heed to Nick Hundley himself: “You want to talk about a guy who is unproven and had a good couple months on steroids, go ahead,” Hundley said on Wednesday.
Hadn’t heard this, googled it to confirm you weren’t just making stuff up. Pretty amazing.
I’m in a points league, which includes points for walks, runs, catcher caught stealing, catcher wins (catching the whole game where your team wins) etc., along with the usual categories. Derek Norris is ranked 13th in our league among catchers year to date. Heavy walk rate. If he can just bring back some of the minor league power to add to that he could be sneaky good, and he’s been even catching some against righties. Maybe only while so many of the outfielders are out so Jaso is playing a lot of DH. Still, I like Norris, at least in a points league.
Eno — looks like you ranked Molina and Napoli number 5.
fixed. thanks! don’t know about that damn white box though.
lucroy is hitting 211 am i crazy for thinking he can turn his av around a put up a productive year, any feedback is welcomed
Is Jesus Montero droppable? I’m in a 16 team league with Carlos Santana as my #1.
I realize I’m the lowest on him, and maybe that’s because I’m the one who watches him the most, but yes, drop him. He’s looked pretty pathetic with no real signs of improvement from last year.
Along with 2B this is my other position of trouble. After drafting both Miguel and Jesus Montero I thought I hedged my bet fairly well and would be solid. . I have been waiting both of them out. It’s hard to argue I should drop one or the other because they both stink. Moreover, there are a ton of catchers who stink so pickups have not been obvious.
Russell Martin and Evan Gattis are available. Do I jump ship with either of the Monteros to grab them?
I would hold onto Miguel and think about cutting bait on Jesus, just like those Amish kids who break away in high school and do bat-shit crazy stuff like listening to the radio and owning an iPod.
Is Yan Gomes #1 on this list yet?