Trade Leverage Is A Hoax
When last we met practically a year ago (ahem, December 19), we discussed trade negotiations – specifically one of my standard processes. Although I think a forthright and (semi) honest conversation is the surest approach to building a mutually beneficial swap, not everybody likes the way I conduct my trade talks. Common complaints include that I’m asking the other owner to do all the work while giving up their leverage.
To the former point, um, no. To the latter point, also no.
As a concept, ‘trade leverage’ refers to circumstances in which one owner has the ability to extract economic rent from their trade partner. In my experience, this is usually achieved by holding a sword aloft and exclaiming “By the power of Grayskull, I have the LEVERAGE.”
But wait! There have to be at least some scenarios in which trade leverage is a thing, right? Let’s try an extreme example.
Imagine it’s July 25, 2018 and you’re playing a dynasty league. You own Adrian Beltre (and let’s assume you know he’ll retire). Your team is not competitive. None of the competitive teams need a first or even second string third baseman. He would be a luxury item for every single one of them. In this scenario, you’re holding an asset which literally has no value except as a tertiary backup. You have no hook with which to catch a trade partner. This is a classic scenario in which a rival would accuse you of lacking leverage.
Here’s the key phrase: “you’re holding an asset which literally has no value.” Leverage has nothing to do with it. You simply have the misfortune to own something nearly valueless. As a result, you can either acquire something of comparable valuelessness or spitefully hold on to Beltre (I often choose spite). If you’re lucky, his value might change.
Is this a semantic distinction? I don’t believe so. It’s important to think about players in terms of their value to you and others – either directly or by preventing a rival from acquiring them. Fantasy baseball is a closed economic system. In most leagues, we’re playing for points in the roto standings, head-to-head wins, or some alternative universal points system. A player’s true value relates directly to their ability to affect those scoring scenarios.
Players often have a perceived value too – this is usually attached to their name brand, draft day ADP, and/or current in-season rank. When marketing a player in a trade, you should very much aim to induce your rivals to pay for positive perceived value. However, people usually get way too caught up in perceptions of value rather than the real thing. That’s a topic for another day, but it merits a mention here.
Getting back to leverage, the idea is most commonly misapplied to scenarios in which only one trade partner has an obvious need. This does positively affect the value of a player. If I’m selling a third baseman that you desperately need, I seemingly have you over a barrel. I can ask almost anything because you’re desperate. Leverage!
Not so fast. Rationally*, the cost for acquiring my nameless third baseman should be the second highest offer “+1” where “+1” equals whatever is required for me to prefer one offer over another. As the seller, I’m hoping to exploit informational asymmetry – i.e. I try to inflate your impression of that second-best offer. My so-called leverage evaporates if you’re willing to be patient.
*Beware! The world is not rational nor is the realm of fantasy baseball trading.
In the opposite scenario – when an owner with a need claims to have leverage because nobody else has the same need – patience is once again the answer. Let your rival feel the pain. Cultivate offers from not-so-needy teams by explaining what’s happening. In effect, ask for some help with price enforcement. This is not collusion.
In any league that doesn’t change owners year-to-year – a scenario economists refer to as ‘repeated games‘ – you can take the last paragraph a step further. If your should-be ideal trade partner won’t pay an acceptable price because they’re hiding behind leverage, accept a lesser alternative offer from a different partner – especially in a scenario where you must trade the player or get nothing. You’ve now taught at least one opponent the value of their so-called leverage.
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FWIW: My trade strategies come down to: 1. Formulating a valuation for a player that differs from the market, so you can make a “market” trade that looks even but for me I think I win.
2. Preying on team’s desperation. Don’t have any dynasty experience but in season-long I’ve found some teams will aggressively trade away players to catch up or “make a move”. In theory it shouldn’t change the dynamics of the trade but sometimes you can trade for an injured player if you’re set in first (assuming non-Roto) or you try and buy-low on an underperforming star.
I’d agree that there is a more than semantic distinction between situations which change the value of your player and situations that actually *compel* you to accept an offer you otherwise wouldn’t have (i.e. leverage). Leverage is about influence, not valuation.
I just want my league mates to think i fleeced the other guy no matter the damage to my team long/short term
This article suffers from a number of pretty serious shortcomings. First of all, it purports to talk about leverage, but never defines the term. It essentially assumes that everyone, everywhere uses the same lingo. Then, to make matters worse, it uses an argument that is admittedly close to semantic to discredit the idea of something being a term that has not even been defined. It splits the hair from a head of unknown origin.
Potentially greater, though, is the fact that it ignores the time value of an asset. The advice is “be patient”, yet it does not address the fact that being patient when you have a perceived weakness is costing you points every scoring interval and also risking the asset being acquired by a competing team.
Is this leverage? I have no idea, because I have no idea what the author thinks leverage is. But I do know that there is a time for being patient, and there is also a time for striking quickly, even if it means paying a little extra. Understanding that nuance is part of the toolbox of a skilled fantasy player.
See the third paragraph, first sentence.
That particular shortcoming of the “be patient” advice is also explicitly addressed.
This must be the sentence you mean: As a concept, ‘trade leverage’ refers to circumstances in which one owner has the ability to extract economic rent from their trade partner.
If so, what is economic rent? This is extremely unclear. If your thesis is there is no time when one manager has the advantage over another because of roster construction, injury or otherwise, that is tenuous at best, so I have to assume that is not your intention.
The “advice” you offer is basically handwaving. Make others sweat. Accept lesser offers to teach them. No real specifics. It is like the old “have you tried not being depressed?” advice.
The one time where you do try to add some kind of quantitative analysis, its weak and haphazard. The value of a player only can be calculated based on other available offers in limited circumstances. If no other offers exist, is the baseline zero? How is the “whatever is required for me to prefer one offer over another” determined? Its basically arbitrary in this example.
A better way to look at the value of that player, is what is the difference in scoring value between that player and one that is freely available on the waiver wire.
Back to your point about economic rent. If you are using this term to mean “pay a premium”, then it is still pretty tenuous. There are plenty of times when one team can extract a premium for a player, it could be after a trade in real life (or any other time the hype train has left the station), after an injury or a position change, just to name a few. The core of your argument seems to be that you should never pay too much so that other owners think they can soak you.
Who cares what other owners think? If I pay 107% one day, then the next day someone wants me to pay 108%, its simple to walk away. Everyone pays too much occasionally. Sure, a reputation might develop where others think you will always pay 107% (or any arbitrary amount), but that changes as soon as you stop paying it.
Really, the main thing against your point regarding leverage is that it assumes that all players in fantasy leagues are there solely to win. Players engage in leagues to enjoy themselves. Some of them derive most of their enjoyment from winning. A few of them derive all of their enjoyment from winning.
You claim that leverage isn’t a thing. As long as at least some people who play fantasy think leverage is a thing, then it is. Understanding and controlling when you should and should not pay premiums is a valuable skill.
Yeah, a few things…
First, that “this isn’t collusion” scenario sure walks and talks like collusion. We may have different definitions of collusion, but it fits my definition of collusion***.
Secondly, in your first scenario the leverage for the seller evaporates only if you assume that there isn’t any pain for the buyer associated with waiting. It works if you’re only considering the cost to buy, not the cost to wait. But in your second scenario, being patient works because if forces the buyer to feel pain by waiting. That doesn’t seem to line up.
Thirdly, patience has a limit. Guys are constantly getting injured, traded, called up, and fantasy teams are falling out of contention, becoming sellers, or buyers, and the value of assets change. Some for the better, some for the worse. But supply/demand will flux as the season goes on.
(Don’t take any of the above as a judgment about the article. I liked it! I think these kind of discussions about leverage and value and etc. are really interesting and I enjoy them.)
***Actually, it fits 2 of my 3 definitions of collusion: (1) any coordinated action by two or more teams that isn’t made towards the betterment of each team, respectively, for the long or short term; and (2) any coordinated action taken by two or more teams for the detriment of an un-involved team.
Regarding your definitions of collusion:
(2) is only collusion if there is an exchange of value outside of the league or the best offer was not taken.
If an owner blocks a trade using spare resources just to stiff a competitor, that’s a viable and should-be-legal strategy.
In the scenario I drafted both teams improve. The seller gets something for the player. The buyer gets a hypothetical standings gain by preventing a rival from efficiently filling their roster. Of course, that can easily blow up in their face if said rival finds a palatable alternative.
I agree with you that “If an owner blocks a trade using spare resources just to stiff a competitor, that’s a viable and should-be-legal strategy”. But that’s not what you described.
Cultivate offers from not-so-needy teams by explaining what’s happening. In effect, ask for some help with price enforcement. This is not collusion.
I read the deal you drafted as:
– Your goal is to drive up the price for Team A.
– You explain to Team B that you are trying to drive up the price for Team A.
– Team B does not need the player you’re looking to trade.
– You are not looking to trade for Team B’s offer.
– Team B makes you an offer to drive up the price for Team A.
How is this not collusion?
(I mention that I have 3 definition of collusion. The 3rd is about an exchange of value outside the league.)
That’s a rather strict interpretation.
It’s a sales pitch. A way to get an offer from a team that otherwise wouldn’t give you an offer. Once somebody is involved in bidding for a player, sometimes they’ll get carried away.
My preferred option is for Team A to just make an acceptable offer. I’ve only turned to Team B because it’s necessary for creating a market for my asset. It’s fine to use whatever narrative produces an offer excluding blackmail or something silly like that.
As the salesman, I don’t really care about my trade partner’s motivations. I only care about motivating them.
The collusion accusation is because you’ve explained what you’re doing to Team B, and they’ve, even if un-explicitly, agreed to help you.
You’re trying to get the best offer for your player. I get that; it’s not a problem in itself. But what is Team B trying to do here? If they actually want the player, or want to make the deal, it’s not collusion. But if there’s nothing in it for them, if they’re only helping you to drive up your asking price, it would be.
Edit: I’m re-reading your replies, and yes, if Team B agreed to the trade to block Team A – that’d be fully fine. The initial description of the situation didn’t describe Team B’s motivation that way.
If Team B has no interest in the player then it’s an entirely different scenario than described. Trying to sell a player to multiple teams to find the best offer isn’t collusion.
Wouldn’t Team B just tell me to go away then? It’s not like I’m going to trade an expiring contract Mookie Betts for Kendrys Morales just to spite Team A. Team B has to put something together that at least LOOKS like a real offer in order to participate. Which to me, is the same thing as a real offer.
What I’m describing is a scenario where Team B doesn’t think they have interest in my player until pitch them on the dangers of their opponent winning the bid. Then they actually want the player even if he doesn’t have a direct influence on their lineup.
Yes, that is fine. I have no issue with that and I would defend someone’s right to doing that.
But what you initially wrote in the article didn’t mention anything about Team B’s motivation other than they were asked to help with price enforcement. If Team B was making an offer for the sake of price enforcement it would be collusion. If Team B was making an offer for a reason to help their team in the standings, even if it had the affect of price enforcement, even if Team B was unwittingly being used to drive up the price, it would not be collusion.
To me there’s a difference between these two things:
Cultivate offers from not-so-needy teams by explaining what’s happening. In effect, ask for some help with price enforcement. This is not collusion.
Cultivate offers from not-so-needy teams
by explaining what’s happening. In effect,ask for some help withuse them for price enforcement. This is not collusion.The difference is that you didn’t sell anything in the latter scenario. As long as one owner acts in good faith, it’s not collusion. Or put another way, collusion requires two or more owners to act in bad faith.
Two bad faith actors needed for collusion. Yes. But I read what you originally wrote as having two bad faith actors involved. A sales pitch consisting of “hey, Team A is making me low-ball offers for this player, so why don’t you (Team B) make me an offer so that I can up my asking price from Team A” is bad faith. Going along with it for the reason pitched, would also be bad faith.
Nah, that’s just naughty packaging. The toy inside the package is still safe for children.
It’s not collusion so long as at least one party in the trade talks has an honest interest in making the deal happen. The cultivated alternate buyer may not have the same need, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t also have interest. Maybe I (the seller) have no intention on selling to him regardless and am using his offer to drive up the price, but that’s not collusion.
Regarding patience, I find it’s better over the long term to get nothing for a particular asset than to establish a willingness to race to the bottom. Once everybody thinks they can bully you into taking a soft offer, everything takes 4X as long to reach an acceptable offer. Or else you just wind up taking bad offers.
This.
When I think of leverage, the first thing that comes to mind is high salaried players that your league assumes must be cut or traded. In those scenarios, most owners prefer to get “something instead of nothing,” which often means selling at steep discounts. This is ultimately bad for you, because you’re setting a precedent for yourself and making a competitor stronger. It’s okay to ultimately sell a little lower than you’d like, but it’s bad when you’re afraid to cut a player and start giving guys away for fringe prospects and easily replaceable depth.
Exactly, this is the worst scenario of leverage, when somebody convinces THEMSELVES they don’t have it. You’ve done yourself a huge disservice.
Keeper Q for Sir Brad or anyone: CBS points league. Keep forever, moving up a round each year. Thor for a 12th or Tatis Jr for a 26th (last round). Thanks. League scoring favors dominant pitching and power hitting.
Not gonna go wrong with either, IMO. I’d probably lean towards Thor, simply because Tatis Jr might have 2 years before he starts producing, and he has some strikeout issues.
Maybe base it on your competitive window?
Depends on league depth and opportunity costs. 12-team should be Thor. 20-team probably Tatis.
I agree with the comments that the author doesn’t really define leverage, which is problematic. I think of leverage as being the number of buyers and sellers of a particular asset. At the highest level, sellers have more leverage in the off-season when nearly every other owner thinks they have a chance, whereas they have little leverage at the deadline when it’s clear that only a couple teams have a chance. So, always be willing to sell in the off-season even if you think you might compete as you will likely get more value. The author brings up position scarcity, which is pretty rare outside of maybe some pitchers (starter or reliever) depending on league format or specific categories in non-points leagues. Replacement level just doesn’t vary that much between positions these days, with catcher a possible exception. What is always in short supply is talent. So, if you have it, be sure to shop it around, and if you need it, then cast a wide net.
“As a concept, ‘trade leverage’ refers to circumstances in which one owner has the ability to extract economic rent from their trade partner.”
It’s fully defined. I linked economic rent in the last article which is why I didn’t link it again.
Also, I made no reference to position scarcity.