Three Pitchers Who Do Not Pass the Eye Test

Yesterday we discussed four players who passed the eye test. In other words, my amateur scouting opinion is in agreement with their early season numbers. In the hands of an amateur, the eye test can only take us so far; data is still going to be king. Even so, there is value in knowing how a player looks on the field. Chris Coste was briefly quite good, but he never passed anybody’s eye test. So when he went from 33-year-old stud to 34-year-old dud, nobody was surprised.

Generally speaking, hitters are fickle beasts. They can look all kinds of ugly and still be very effective at the plate. I find pitchers to be a lot easier to scout. We get to watch 100 pitches within a couple hour span compared to maybe three to ten swings from a hitter. After watching a couple starts, I’m usually comfortable with including my scouting opinion in my analysis. What follows are three pitchers who did not pass my eye test.

Tyler Skaggs: The three mph velocity boost he found during spring training has remained, which has made Skaggs a popular breakout target. In the early going, he’s impressed with a 3.34 ERA. His decent 3.84 FIP and 3.90 xFIP indicate he should continue to succeed as a major league pitcher, but those numbers are hard to use in fantasy. His swinging strike rate is low at 7.4 percent. Unsurprisingly, he’s only striking out 16 percent of batters, another point against him in fantasy. The good news is he’s walking very few batters – just 6.6 percent.

So why doesn’t he pass the eye test? His fastball command and control reminds me of J.A. Happ. Despite the low walk rate and the ability to move the ball in, out, up, or down, Skaggs hasn’t been great about hitting his spots. The way I visualize it, if you give Skaggs a spot to hit with this fastball, he’ll hit somewhere within a six inch by six inch box around the target. In his last outing, Hank Conger appear genuinely surprised when he didn’t have to move his glove. Perhaps I’m just personifying a catcher…

I’ve seen a lot of pitchers come through the majors with this tenuous grip on command and control. While he’s riding the tiger, he’ll remain a good asset. Sometimes these types of pitchers improve – Jose Quintana comes to mind. Sometimes, they lose whatever little edge they found and it’s game over. Like Vance Worley.

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Drew Hutchison: For somebody who isn’t invested in fantasy baseball, Carson Cistulli is very good at finding haystack needles. Hutchison is whiffing guys over 10 percent of the time, which translates to a 27 percent strikeout rate. His walk rate is good at 7.2 percent. An ERA of 3.81 is actually above his 3.00 FIP and 3.22 xFIP.

In the case of Hutchison, I could be biased. I’ve watched three of his starts, and they were his worst. While he has limited walks, he has the same command-control issue as Skaggs. Unlike Skaggs, he’ll sometimes spot very well, only to lose his touch two innings later.

I don’t want to say Hutchison is Max Scherzer, but do you remember back when Scherzer was all tease and no output? Hutchison has a similar feel; he needs to put some things together or else he’ll be prone to occasional meltdown outings. As the weather warms, I expect to see more mistake pitches deposited in the seats. The good news is his whiff rate should limit the downside.

Garrett Richards: Yes, he throws very hard – 96 mph according to our very own internet pages. He also has a whiff-friendly slider and curve ball – at least when he deigns to use them. And therein lies the rub. Richards has a 2.58 ERA, 3.18 FIP, and 3.70 xFIP, but he doesn’t have a repertoire. He only whips out the breaking balls when he’s ahead in the count.

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With his shoddy walk rate (12.7 percent of batters) and low 43.7 first pitch strike rate, he falls behind way to often to succeed with so many fastballs. If he entered the league with this profile and succeeded from the outset like Tony Cingrani, I might be more reluctant to dismiss his pitch usage. Since he’s been doing this for awhile with tepid results, he’ll need to “prove it” with more than five games of good data.

Where scouting comes into play is this – while he’s good at generating ground balls, his hard fastball doesn’t really dominate hitters. They usually look comfortable taking full hacks. I prefer pitchers who produce a lot of confused swings. Watch Michael Wacha melt a few hitters and you’ll know what I mean.

Richards is almost there. With his velocity, he doesn’t need true command and control, he can continue to be effectively wild so long as he trims his walk rate down to about eight percent. An effective change-up would be a godsend.

Parting Thoughts: One thing all three pitchers have in common – they could have very good seasons. But based on visual evidence, they have a tenuous grasp on the skills necessary to be a fantasy asset at the major league level. Each needs to improve in some way to continue posting strong numbers throughout the season.





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ettin
12 years ago

Brad very surprised that you say Richards doesn’t have a repertoire. Has four above average pitches and his curve ball has the best vertical movement in the Majors and its not even close. Perhaps you should revisit your comments. Just because he uses them sparingly doesn’t mean they aren’t good.

geo
12 years ago
Reply to  ettin

Virtually no pitcher has four above average pitches. Even Clayton Kershaw doesn’t. I think you are over-stating things.

Daniel
12 years ago
Reply to  geo

Matt Harvey did.

The Party Bird
12 years ago
Reply to  geo

Verlander does. His slider is his worst pitch but it’s still pretty grand when he decides to use it.

fothead
12 years ago
Reply to  ettin

Watched Richards start vs the Yanks and his fastball moves an awful lot. Lotta bad, uncomfortable looking swings to me. 96 with that kind of dart to it is special.

atoms
12 years ago

How about Colin McHugh? Great early results, but it seems like smoke & mirrors.

Franklin
12 years ago

“Perhaps I’m just personifying a catcher…”

catchers are people too…

Matt
12 years ago
Reply to  Franklin

Came here to leave this exact comment.

MerlMember since 2018
12 years ago

Should I drop Tyson Ross for Drew Hutchison?

FeslenR
12 years ago
Reply to  Merl

Similar pitchers on bad teams, I’d hang on to Ross. He has a better track record of some success.

FeslenR
12 years ago

Brad, I agree with you on Garrett Richards. I was never really impressed with his “pitchability, not just as a fantasy player, but when I see him on tv.

I am glad he’s doing well right now, so I’ll take his success as it comes.

FeslenR
12 years ago
Reply to  FeslenR

Blech, I type too fast. It’s supposed to say “pitchability”, etc.

baltic wolfMember since 2016
12 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I’m holding on to Richards in my AL only league. I guess I’m a masochist.

He’s such a tease. Last summer, when he rejoined the starting rotation (August through September) he greatly reduced his walk rate down to 7.4%. This spring the walk rate has spiked back up to 12.7%.
The encouraging thing is that he’s striking out a lot more batters than last year: 24% vs. 15% last year.
The discouraging thing is that he’s still behind the major league average for strikes thrown with most of his pitches. And his whiff rate for everything but his slider is average at best.
Like Brad said, you get the feeling that he’s almost there. You see the movement, you see the velocity, but the command is not there yet. But since he only cost me 8 bucks, I think I’ll ride this roller coaster for another season.

FeslenR
12 years ago

Is Garrett Richards the new Sidney Ponson?

FeslenR
12 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

lol!

And I meant as a pitcher, not for the off-field stuff Ponson did…

bp
12 years ago
Reply to  FeslenR

That’s Sir Sidney Ponson

Detroit Michael
12 years ago

Thanks for the article. It’s hard to criticize “break-out” pitchers with good ERAs and good xFIPs so far.

Duncan
12 years ago

Great article. What are your thoughts on Danny Salazar? Is he going to be consistent enough to warrant a roster spot in a 12 team mixed league? Thanks

FeslenR
12 years ago
Reply to  Duncan

yes, especially if you have a league that counts K/BB as a cat or need Ks.

???
12 years ago

For those who skipped this nonsense (like I should have), here’s a summary:

“Tyler Skaggs, Drew Hutchison, and Garrett Richards are all young pitchers with plus stuff who haven’t figured it out yet. Let’s keep watching to see if they make progress.”

There ya go. No need to waste anyone’s time.

Fanthead
12 years ago
Reply to  ???

Yeah, Brad, how dare you support your summary with actual evidence and analysis. Can’t you dumb things down so that “??? says” can finish his Big Mac without having to read at the same time?

The FoilsMember since 2017
12 years ago
Reply to  Fanthead

Or at least have the decency to put it in a slideshow.

Josh B
12 years ago

Brad, we’ve sparred over Richards v Kluber before. My point is that I believe Richards has a higher ceiling than Kluber. Your article seems to indicate that Richards may indeed have a high ceiling. Can you really say the same for Kluber? We were all impressed with what Kluber did against the Royals in Cleveland last week. Three days later, Richards played ‘anything you can do I can do better’ against a much better team in New York City. Half of the pitches Richards throws are balls, that his terrible, and some of his other underlying stats are terrible too. And while I would argue that Kluber has some terrible underlyings as well, I do put some stock into the fact that Richards is succeeding and Kluber isn’t. The space between real life results and underlyings isn’t 100% luck or the result of small sample size. If it were, you could rank every pitcher by ERA and by xFIP at the end of the season and the lists would be in the same order. Richards is doing SOMETHING that is causing him to outperform his peripherals and Kluber is doing SOMETHING to underperform his. If Richards was a rookie you could say the league is still learning him, and that is contributing to the difference. There is obviously tons of regression waiting around the corner for Mr. Richards, I just don’t think it’s going to prove him out to be ‘Corey-Kluber-Bad’. And being told every week how great a pitcher Kluber is adds to the polarization you speak of above, at least for me.

zer0grav
12 years ago

Are you serious? Skaggs’ K rate is down for a reason, and thats because he’s pitching to contact. Skaggs ground ball rate is at an all time high, yet, he doesn’t pass your “eye test.” Skaggs keeps posting QS after QS, and will be a good source of WHIP, ERA, and Ws in most leagues. Jordan Zimmerman and Hiwashi Iwakuma are a few examples of valuable fantasy starters who don’t punch out a lot of guys. FWIW, I expect Skaggs K rate to climb throughout the year. Pretty weak take on Skaggs, Brad…..

zer0grav
12 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I guess it depends on your strategy really. My league has 9 pitching spots. I always have five relievers in, and then I have three starters on my bench, and I roll every guy out for each start. I’m ok with that fact that he doesn’t put up elite strikeout numbers because he helps control ERA and WHIP, and keeps putting up quality starts. His xFIP- makes him a top 60 guy; to be fair though, I’m not sure how long that particular statistic takes to stabilize, and I haven’t found anything that says. Do you happen to know?

Regardless, he’s walking less guys and allowing fewer homers. Also, I’m not completely buying the regression projected by xFIP. Because all FIP related stats assume a normal BABIP, it’s harder to apply to Skaggs IMO. I think that the drop in his BABIP is legit. Both FB and LD rates are way down for him in addition to his increased GB rate.

When I’ve watched Skaggs, he just hasn’t given guys many balls to drive. Yeah, he’s not going to K a lot of guys, but he can still be a valuable, weekly contributor, based on what your team needs.

everdiso
12 years ago

Hutch’s command may be a tiny bit spotty so far this year, probably related to his continued recovery from TJ, but he’s been a dominant command guy his entire minor league career. This is actually a strength of his, not a weakness.

james wilson
12 years ago

Richards is an interesting case. When he loses it, he is terrifyingly bad. If he reminds me of anybody, it is a young Nolan Ryan. But Ryan had a bulletproof arm to take him through ten years of adventures before he figured it out. If Richards can be a 200 inning .500 pitcher he’ll have real value, and a guy I’d take the time to watch as well.

grassyjones
12 years ago

In three weeks you are all going to have a good laugh about how awesome you thought Garrett Richards was.

paul
12 years ago

Where did you source that table from? The one with the pitch type mix % etc….