The Murky World Of Collusion
Collusion is a topic I’ve wandered into a few times in the past. I tend to test the fringes of the fantasy equivalent of treason. Just yesterday, I wrote about selling my fellow owners on a strategy. If everything went according to plan, I’d get to dump some of my back-roster assets, and I’d get a shot at some elite talent after the draft. If I just change how the idea is presented, it can come across as an attempt to solicit collusion.
This topic is important because many leagues have anti-collusion rules. However, a widely held sentiment is that collusion is impossible to prove. The corollary: owners think collusion is occurring right under their noses, they just can’t prove it.
We lack a handy fantasy glossario to tells exactly what collusion means to us. If you ask the dictionary, it’s “secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.” However, I reject that definition for our purposes. It’s too broad to apply to fantasy sports because secret cooperation and conspiracy absolutely should be part of the standard fantasy toolbox.
In fantasy sports, collusion is jargon. It’s risen above the standard definition to become something more. My task today is to define the beast as it means to us. I’d like your help to get to the end point. The following is a starting point. Let’s use the comments to finish this.
In my opinion, when we seek to punish collusion, we’re mostly trying to penalize the instinctive tantrum that causes us to throw the game board when it’s clear things aren’t going our way. In chess, that can be very cathartic – it’s a little less so in a web browser. In fantasy baseball, the equivalent to throwing the chess board is the no-reward roster purge. By attaching a penalty, we seek to prevent the tantrum (usually, we get a lot of “comments” instead).
That’s the easy portion of collusion because it’s not really collusion. It will tend to benefit one or couple owners disproportionately, but it’s really just a tantrum. You can usually prevent this with an anti-dumping rule. If not, the problem comes with an easy solution – replace the offending owner. After a couple years, you should have a good group of reliable players.
There remains the more nebulous side of collusion. Theoretically, this would be most common among owners who share multiple leagues. A friendly relationship could, hypothetically, developing into a situation where favors are traded. Yeah, sure, we’ll make the trades look mostly legit. Except maybe I’ll give you a top outfielder for a bunch of guys who I say are “breakout candidates.” Then you can swap me something favorable in that other league of ours.
To that, I say this: quit being a conspiracy nut. I’ve talked to a lot of fantasy owners, especially about ways to get one over on the competition.This is the sort of thing they would have bragged about if it was happening. Guess what, I’ve never heard so much as a second hand account of a true conspiracy. It’s always discussed as something that could happen.
Here’s the problem with conspiracies – people don’t keep secrets. I’m sure somebody out there has the exact arrangement I just described, but it’s hardly a widespread arrangement. Honestly, you probably don’t even need to worry about this form of collusion.
At the end of the day, there’s no reason to drop an anti-collusion rule from your league charter. It’s a shame we can’t approach the problem the same way as statisticians do with age-based discrimination. Their approach is to determine the statistical likelihood of an event occurring. Unfortunately, since valuations of players are much more fluid than somebody’s age, we can’t nail down an exact scientific approach to saying – this looks suspicious!
So, who would like to further define collusion or offer solutions for identifying it?
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i consider collusion anything that circumvents the spirit of the rules to put owners at an unfair advantage over the rest of the league.
an example of collusion in ottoneu for me would be two owners agreeing to allocate arbitration dollars to players that arent likely to be kept regardless. this gets them out of having to carry any extra salary and leaves them with the maximum amount to allocate to other teams.
that’s collusion but ottoneu leagues are asking for it. When you allow teams to unevenly disadvantage other teams, some politics will develop and it can become a game of favorites or favors
It’s collusion by the dictionary, but I see that as the desired effect of the rule. So it’s not collusion in a fantasy sense. I usually politic publicly. Last season, I used the message board to convince a couple owners to lower their bids on my guys since the roster I inherited was so far from contention.
I’ve never seen collusion in a league, but I have seen rules made to essentially save bad owners from themselves. In those cases, I’ve always advocated for the bad owners to be removed – ie identifying the root of the problem. In my experience, the problems have come in leagues that have a wide range of owners. While some owners will always be stronger than others and therefore enjoy more success, the problems occur when a serious league has one or more owners are doing the bare minimum to participate, play completely with their hearts, or don’t take winning that seriously. These are the owners who tend to be the repeat victims of predatory trades, or going to their buddy in the league first to sell their high-priced stars when they inevitably rebuild each year. These owners have a place in fantasy sports to be sure, but some leagues are better left to owners interested in putting in a bunch of time.
“These are the owners who tend to be the repeat victims of predatory trades, or going to their buddy in the league first to sell their high-priced stars when they inevitably rebuild each year”
this happened in a league of mine last year and i called collusion on it. ending up getting the trade vetoed.
” It’s too broad to apply to fantasy sports because secret cooperation and conspiracy absolutely should be part of the standard fantasy toolbox. ”
What do you mean by this? How should owners cooperate secretly with other owners?
Here’s an example.
Player A has excess MI and needs a SP
Player B has excess SP and needs a MI
Player C doesn’t want Player B to get a decent MI but doesn’t need a MI
If I’m Player C, I go Player A and figure out what I need to do to prevent a trade with Player B. That probably begins with, “I’m concerned you’re going to help B, I want to block that. Let’s talk.” I may then offer SP for something I do need or take on the extra MI even though he’s redundant.
If Player A agrees, then we’re conspiring against Player B. Yet nothing about the exchange strikes me as unfair. After all, Player C will still have to outbid Player B.
Thanks. I guess I wouldn’t have classified that cooperation as “secret” but I can see why one might.
In my league, the motivations involved for such negotiations would be acceptable, and therefore no effort would be put into maintaining secrecy.
Generally, it’s better to keep things like this quiet because it can sour relations and make an owner feel victimized. Better that he/she thinks they were simply outbid by a rival.
That’s true, good point.
Yeah, it might be more diplomatic to keep the reasons quiet, but there’s nothing wrong with that trade. Players A, B, and C are all trying to win. If Player C was motivated by something other than trying to win (animosity towards Player B, trying to help his friend Player D, whatever), then it would be collusion.
Feelings matter 🙂
Stranger,
Hypothetically, what if player C was helping player D, but the motivation was to spark some additional event?
Perhaps a way of considering the puzzle is from the perspective of resources. Collusion, in the fantasy sense, is a pooling of resources. If resources are not pooled, then perhaps collusion is not possible.
In the hypothetical above, if I help Player D just because he’s my friend, then we’re pooling resources. But if I think I can trigger something else to my benefit, then I’m using my resources for myself. It just happens that Player D benefits.
In Economics, there’s a specific term for Player D’s role in the latter scenario, but I’m blanking on it…like “free rider” but not the same. Positive ________. (It’s driving me nuts).
that’s the equivalent of giving up a closer for peanuts to someone who can pass your rival in saves.
You’re not giving up on the league, you’re not doing it to benefit one guy just for the heck of it or throw off the balance of power in the league. It’s because it benefits your team.
Positive externality? Is that the word you’re looking for?
Jesus yes, thanks Scott. I think my Econ training is officially rusty now.
Brad – externality? That’s the only economics word I know.
I think whether that’s collusion or not depends on the details. If player D has already agreed to trade you an OF if you block player B, that could be collusion. If you’re just trying to arrange your league so that things fall your way, that’s fine (and you’re playing a deeper game than I ever will). It seems fact-specific.
Collusion to me is any deal that somebody is doing for a purpose other than improving their team. I think it’s pretty rare, though – I’ve certainly never seen it. Mostly, I think it’s a word that gets thrown around to either justify commissioner powers or complain about other people improving their teams.
The most likely form of real collusion, though, is probably the trade of a fantasy asset for a real-world favor. “Help me move and I’ll agree to that trade you keep offering me,” that sort of thing. I’ve actually done something similar in a no-money league.
How about, “I’ll make this lopsided trade with you this year if you make a lopsided trade that benefits me next year.”
While technically not collusion, I have been in leagues where one person pesters another enough that they make a trade.
Problems are often run into if a person is leaving the league after the year.
I have seen cases of “informal” collusion.” One team is out or has a slim chance to make the playoffs make a trade to be “nice.”
That’s possibly the hardest part of any attempt to define collusion. If somebody makes a trade simply to maintain a beneficial relationship, is that collusion? If you want to use the MLB yard stick, they do this all the time. Some executives just have a better report with others. I’ve definitely made trades simply to improve ties with an owner and gain a better understanding of how they tick.
A better rapport ?
I blame Colbert.
I would call that formal collusion. He’s being nice expecting to have the favor repaid later when he’s contending
That is a very fine line.
Where do you draw it?
I trade a $20 player for a $21
I trade a $20 player for a $22
I trade a $20 player for a $23 etc.
Maybe somewhere in the $32-38 range? It has to be pretty glaring. The problem with using dollars is that it’s so easy to build diverging models. It’s like saying SoAndSo is a “true talent” 3 WAR player. It doesn’t really mean anything.
My head’s starting to hurt 🙂
not all collusion is enforceable. Agreeing to give a $20 player for a $23 player, with the expectation of getting a favor back later is collusion. But on it’s face, no one can claim collusion in that trade. You would pretty much need direct evidence of an agreement to block the trade, or you might end up with false positives.
which gets to the larger point. I don’t think there is a bright line cut off for me to confidently assert that there is collusion. I would look at a number of factors: the personal relationship of the two traders together and among the league as a whole, their trading history, their trading method (whether “the giver” even solicited other offers, rejected much better offers, etc)
Shouldn’t those be blocked purely by the salary structure of the league? If you leave a lot of money on the table obviously you’ve got a lot of freedom to mike trades with high price differentials, but you have to leave money on the table to do it because you still can’t go over $260.
Corey, most auction leagues don’t cap you at $260. Post-draft you can trade for $600 of players if you want (I’ve seen it done). A format like ottoneu does enforce a $400 cap, but you can still trade salary. So teams still routinely get up into the $600 range.
lol. I was trying to keep it simple and assume that everyone outside of the trade agrees on the players’ value.
What constitutes fair is a endless conversation, I was trying to avoid.
As a contract lawyer, I disagree with you. It’s a serious issue that you need to address if you have a league constitution so that there is a firm basis for action. It might be fact-specific and impossible to precisely define, but that’s why you can have such decisions reviewed/determined by neutral third parties.
Also, I may have interpreted your conclusion to mean the opposite of what you are intending to assert. If so, carry on.
Generally, people assume collusion is committed by a minority against the majority, such as two owners working together against the rest of the league. But I believe a more common form of collusion in fantasy leagues is the opposite, several owners working against one or two others. And the most common type is the trade boycott. That’s when several owners decide “we are not making any trades with so and so” because he’s won the league too many times or makes too many annoying offers. That is cheating in my opinion, plain and simple. Owners can individually decide to stop trading with someone, of course, but if it a group of owners decides collectively and holds each other to it (such as “I won’t trade with him as long as you don’t either” type deals) then its definitely not kosher.
Another tough thing about that situation is how few good options the commissioner has.
1. Removing the several owners could be fatal to the league.
2. You could remove the one or two owners, acknowledge that the situation wasn’t their fault, but say that it is in the best interests of the league overall. Unfortunately this risks giving approval to the collusion and it happening again.
3. You could reprimand the several, either publicly or privately, and hope that this puts an end to the practice. This could have the unintended effect of reinforcing the group dynamic that lead to the practice in the first place.
Any other ideas for what a commissioner could do to restore a league in this situation?
Well a veto like the cheeseburger story has an easy solution. The commissioner should have put the trade through as a result of their collusion. A trade embargo is more difficult. The owner just has to work under those conditions or leave the league. The owners are saying “we don’t want you here.” Do you stand up in defiance or simply go where you are wanted?
When I’ve seen embargoes in the past, it’s because an owner sends out something like 10 terrible trade offers a day. Refusing to trade with them is an effective way to improve their behavior. At least, the one example that comes to mind worked. He now offers far fewer trades and they usually start as bad rather than terrible.
The closest thing I have seen is where an owner will only trade with certain owner(s), even if they get better offers from other owners. But even then it can be defended with the “personal player valuation” argument. It really is hard to prove. In the league I run, I leave the veto power to the owners. They almost never vote, so every trade goes through.
Here’s a story…
This occured in our 12T H2H league about two seasons ago. Player A & B struck a deal that Player A would give up Stephen Strasburg (who was in a rough streak) for Howie Kendrick and one other bat from Player B. The deal was agreed on the alert was sent out to everyone in the league. When player A’s brother (Player C in this case) saw what was about to happen, he went to player A and said “Are you crazy?! I would have given you much more for Strasburg!” Player C then went to the rest of the league and started a petition; if everyone in the league agreed to veto the trade (50% needed) he would buy them a cheeseburger. Enough players did and the deal was struck down. Player C then offered player A Robinson Cano for Strasburg and the deal accepted. Player B, obviously smitten, threatened to drop his whole team if the deal was allowed to go through. When it went through Player B did as he threatened, well until the commish locked his team to prevent this. Player B did not come back to the league the following season.
I would say this is the worse kind of collusion, but for some reason, while it was happening no one really knew what to do. We all knew it was shady of both player A and C, but who do you really blame? By the way, that player still owes us all cheeseburgers.
I might have done the same as Player B in that scenario. Ridiculous behavior. I haven’t had a trade vetoed in recent memory, but I’d be sorely tempted to leave the league immediately if I did have one vetoed.
Players A & C, and everyone who accepted the cheeseburger offer to veto the deal all colluded against Player B. This an example of what I was talking about above, a majority of a league colluding against one owner. I believe this sort of thing is more common than two owners secretly finding a way to cheat everyone else in the league. That is hard to do, basically. But it is very easy for several owners to work together in order to screw one guy.
I really hate anti-collusion rules because they allow for this kind of crap to happen. The only collusion is a direct result of the ability of other owners to veto the trade. Take away that power and yes, a very bad trade gets made due to laziness on the part of the Strasburg owner, but no collusion happens. Don’t allow for the veto of trades and don’t allow teams to ever go over their budget, the salary constraints themselves prevent overly strange trades. In my I often give up at trades I would like to propose simply because I can’t make the math work. If both players spent $260 in the draft its actually quite difficult to come up with a trade that adds up.
I’m with Brad, Player B got really screwed over here, but the important piece to understand is that if the league did not allow trade vetoes there would have been no collusion.
Thats just an example of a terrible commish. He should never have allowed the league vote in that situation.
That is outrageous. It should have been a cheeseburger + fries.
If only one party is benefiting it’s not collusion, it’s just a bad manager.
In my experience true collusion is obvious… which is why it rarely happens.
If 2 managers conspire to circumvent the rules, or to make deals that blatently only improve one team… then you are both likely getting kicked out of my league and I’m not gonna ask too many questions.
Mike Trout’s rookie year, I owned him at $15 dollars in Ottoneu FGpts. I had taken over an 8th place team and it was my first year in the league. This was the year that vote off was the only arbitration option. Considering the set up of a vote-off, and knowing that Trout would be removed from my team and replaced with a $5 coupon, I decided to trade him. Trout was traded to a non-contending owner (who also happens to be a good friend of mine outside the league and was extremely active in talks with all teams). I was very public about Mike Trout being moved and made it know to all owners that I “would only make a deal if it would win me the league.” Long story short, I made the trade, won the league at the expense of acquiring many borderline keepable stars on loans.
At the end of the season the new arbitration rules were put into place. I disagreed with the rules noting that “we were all playing under the same assumptions that vote offs would occur – which was my reason for trading Trout” My suggestion was that we waited until after the next season to institute an allocation system so as not to unfairly benefit or hurt owners who specifically developed a strategy in accordance with the rules that had been in place. My plea was rejected and allocations were instituted.
Thinking ahead (and due to the choice of my league mates) I chose to allocate zero money to Trout, while all other owners allocated 1 – 3 to him. I had three reasons for my logic: 1. I did not see a reason to cowtow to the desires of other owners to make Trout a worse asset when the assumptions we were playing under was clear to all teams (my reasoning was know by several other owners). 2. I wagered that the Trout owner would not compete and I did not want to chance making Trout available to other top teams in the auction by increasing his salary. 3. I trusted my ability to trade back for Trout once the season started (at least in relation to other teams) if he was made available.
Long story short, my second season in the league progressed and Trout was made available to all teams on the message board. I acquired him (which miffed the commissioner), won the league again, and was set up to three-peat the next year (or at least my team was visibly better than the other contenders.) When the season ended the commissioner sent us a short note saying myself and the owner with which I traded Trout were not welcome to return to the league, he cited collusion: Trout trades, decision not to allocate, our personal friendship, etc.
I have no hard feelings about this, but I struggle to believe this would actually constitute collusion. I see it as a case where one owner just used the rules/trades/strategy better than other owners. What does the group think? If any collusion was present I believe it was that of the league/commissioner against myself and the other owner who was removed.
That’s a hell of a situation. As you describe it, it’s obviously not collusion. At the same time, it’s very easy to see why it might be mistaken for collusion.
In that kind of situation, the only thing to do is release a bunch of your trade dialog to the league and ask that it be put to a vote. Perhaps ask that your roster be locked and then make your log-in/password available so all owners could see everything you’ve done. If it’s all on the up-and-up it will probably show. If you did most of your dialog verbally, then there’s probably no way to exonerate yourself.
If I suspected two people of collusion, I wouldn’t trust written evidence. They could’ve easily colluded verbally or through another medium. If you think someone colluded, it’s not out of the question that they posted false trade discussions.
That’s an awful lot of work for no obvious payoff. I can believe one person being that paranoid and detail oriented about covering their tracks, but it’s rare for two such people to come together. Especially when the medium is fantasy baseball.
What a great article. Thought provoking and it cleared up a few interesting points.
In my auction league this year I was looking to be on the verge of playoff elimination over halfway through the season so I started to shop players I wouldn’t be keeping. (12 team HTH points keep 10) I struck a deal with the (at the time) first place team to send a $17 Shin-Soo Choo and $14 Elvis Andrus for a $9 Xander Bogaerts. Everyone near him in the standings vetoed the trade citing “Choo and Andrus are fantasy baseball mainstays and Bogaerts isn’t even a starter. Too lopsided of a deal.” I wanted to see if they really thought so or just teamed up to block him so I dropped Choo later that day in a free agent acquisition. Choo remained a free agent the rest of the season. The owner that they blocked ended up quitting this league and another he was in with all of us after the season.
Strange no one’s mentioned (real life) money yet. This is the first thing I think of when collusion comes up: one team agrees to help another team win and they split the reward.
The way I’ve always sort of thought about collusion is two teams consciously working in tandem for the benefit of only one of those teams. We probably tend to think of that most specifically in player dump-type trades, although when it happens is more likely to be a series of not-terrible-not-good trades that aren’t vetoable, per se, but most owners cringe at when they see the notification pop up.
But unfortunately, that is just a possible symptom, not a sign–collusion can’t be assumed when ignorance or different player evaluation are more likely.
Which doesn’t make the owner constantly fleecing the other owner absolved of a crime. That owner is being a predator and I’d not want him or her back the following season. I view collusion as being between two or more players, so someone acting independently in their own interests isn’t going to be guilty of collusion. When that self-interest eclipses an interest in the health of the league, however, that is just as bad.
While I have tended to think about collusion in terms of trades, really any sort of two-or-more team owners that try to circumvent rules and counteract the interests of the league (and its competitive balance) would qualify. Fixing trade vetoes, for example. Finagling the waiver wire to prevent a team from getting certain players. Probably other things I’m having trouble envisioning right now.