The Change: Player Types with Duvall, Piscotty, Polanco
On the back end of the top 25 outfielders last year, there’s a trio of young outfielders that found success with very different approaches. Adam Duvall just hit the crap out of the ball. Gregory Polanco was a five-tooler with good patience and contact. Stephen Piscotty was somewhere in between. We all have our favorites when it comes to player types, but let’s be concrete about these things. Let’s filter the players based on a few key statistics and find historical comps that can help us better understand the futures for our three relative youngsters.
The Adam Duvall
Duvall isn’t a statue — he can play a little defense in the outfield — but he is relatively one dimensional anyway. He doesn’t walk, and he strikes out a fair amount. You want him for his power. So let’s look at players that had a season before they turned 28 in which they walked less than eight percent of the time (that’s around the traditional league average), struck out more than 23% of the time (the game used to have fewer strikeouts, so this way we include some old school sluggers), and showed an isolated slugging percentage over .200. Since he’s no Carlos Gomez, let’s limit the pool to players with fewer than 10 stolen bases.
The result is a mixed bag of sluggers that prove that Duvall is not necessarily destined to repeat his performance.
Season | Name | PA | HR | SB | BB% | K% | AVG | OBP | ISO | wRC+ | WAR |
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1981 | Tony Armas | 462 | 22 | 5 | 4.1% | 24.9% | 0.261 | 0.294 | 0.218 | 124 | 3.9 |
1985 | Mike Marshall | 564 | 28 | 3 | 6.6% | 24.3% | 0.293 | 0.342 | 0.222 | 141 | 3.1 |
2013 | Pedro Alvarez | 614 | 36 | 2 | 7.8% | 30.3% | 0.233 | 0.296 | 0.240 | 112 | 3.0 |
2016 | Adam Duvall | 608 | 33 | 6 | 6.7% | 27.0% | 0.241 | 0.297 | 0.257 | 104 | 2.8 |
1976 | Dave Kingman | 510 | 37 | 7 | 5.5% | 26.5% | 0.238 | 0.286 | 0.268 | 126 | 2.6 |
2012 | Mark Trumbo | 586 | 32 | 4 | 6.1% | 26.1% | 0.268 | 0.317 | 0.222 | 124 | 2.4 |
2013 | Yoenis Cespedes | 574 | 26 | 7 | 6.4% | 23.9% | 0.240 | 0.294 | 0.202 | 102 | 2.4 |
2013 | Mark Trumbo | 678 | 34 | 5 | 8.0% | 27.1% | 0.234 | 0.294 | 0.219 | 107 | 2.3 |
2012 | Chris Davis | 562 | 33 | 2 | 6.6% | 30.1% | 0.270 | 0.326 | 0.231 | 121 | 2.1 |
2016 | Brad Miller | 601 | 30 | 6 | 7.8% | 24.8% | 0.243 | 0.304 | 0.239 | 111 | 2.0 |
1983 | Ron Kittle | 570 | 35 | 8 | 6.8% | 26.3% | 0.254 | 0.314 | 0.250 | 118 | 2.0 |
1975 | Dave Kingman | 543 | 36 | 7 | 6.3% | 28.2% | 0.231 | 0.284 | 0.263 | 115 | 1.7 |
2016 | Corey Dickerson | 548 | 24 | 0 | 6.0% | 24.5% | 0.245 | 0.293 | 0.224 | 101 | 1.5 |
1977 | Butch Hobson | 637 | 30 | 5 | 4.2% | 25.4% | 0.265 | 0.300 | 0.224 | 101 | 1.5 |
2004 | Craig Wilson | 644 | 29 | 2 | 7.8% | 26.2% | 0.264 | 0.354 | 0.235 | 119 | 1.1 |
1994 | Ryan Thompson | 379 | 18 | 1 | 7.4% | 24.8% | 0.225 | 0.301 | 0.210 | 88 | 0.8 |
2016 | Yasmany Tomas | 563 | 31 | 2 | 5.5% | 24.2% | 0.272 | 0.313 | 0.236 | 109 | -0.1 |
1994 | Dean Palmer | 371 | 19 | 3 | 7.0% | 24.0% | 0.246 | 0.302 | 0.219 | 91 | -0.4 |
1987 | Cory Snyder | 615 | 33 | 5 | 5.0% | 27.0% | 0.236 | 0.273 | 0.220 | 85 | -0.5 |
For every Mark Trumbo and Yoenis Cespedes, there’s a Craig Wilson and Cory Snyder. Wait, that’s not necessarily true. Snyder himself hit 26 homers in 1988, and had a few productive seasons, and really I named the only two that didn’t manage to have actual careers. If you look at the group as a whole, even with the active players messing up the average, you’ll see a slugger that managed 3152 plate appearances in their career, on average. Wilson and Ryan Thompson are the only non-active major leaguers that had a Duvall season and didn’t make it to 2500 plate appearances, is another way you can say it.
The average career home run rate for the group was 4.6%, while Duvall’s was 5.4% last year. While it’s not the sexiest package, it looks like Duvall has an 80% chance of at least playing another four seasons, in which he should put up 90-100 homers on average. That’s a decent floor, for a guy that has the least attractive skills package.
The Gregory Polanco
I have loved Gregory Polanco for so long, and yet have no shares, because I proclaimed my love too loudly and everyone wanted everything from me in trade talks. And now it’s too late because he’s had the season I thought he could have. He showed speed, power, and patience. Let’s look for players younger than 26 that had a walk rate higher than league average, a strikeout rate that was better than league average, an isolated slugging percentage over .180, and stole more than 15 bags in the free agency era. This should be a fun list.
It’s beautiful. 73 player seasons full of Joey Votto, Paul Goldschmidt, David Wright and also Alex Rodriguez, Chipper Jones, Ken Griffey Jr, and Barry Bonds but also Mike Schmidt, and Dale Murphy, Mike Greenwell, and Larry Walker. It’s *really* hard to find a dud.
Of the 51 players on this list, there are only three non-active players that didn’t manage to put up ten wins of production — Fernando Tatis, Gary Thomasson, and Mitchell Page. Nate McLouth barely crossed that threshold. If you want twenty wins or bust — Polanco already has five on his resume — you can count Gary Redus as a disappointment, and Leon Durham, and Matt Lawton.
The rest of the list is populated with Hall of Famers and current studs. Seriously, Polanco basically has a an 86% chance of continuing to be a star, and even the likely floor is useful for a couple years. You want to bet on this skillset.
The Stephen Piscotty
There, in between the two, is an interesting character who played some center field, showed some patience and contact and power, but wasn’t what you’d call a five-tooler. Not a Duvall, and not a Polanco, Stephen Piscotty was just sort of in between on everything. That makes it harder to set the thresholds, but let’s go with younger than 26, better than league average contact, close to league average patience, better than a .180 ISO, and better than five stolen bases but fewer than 15. That sort of defines the in between guy, I’d say.
We still end up with 363 player-seasons, so let’s limit the pool from guys with plus walk rates, so basically all guys with walk rates between seven and ten percent. Down to 68, but also featuring guys with isolated slugging percentages over .300! Let’s also trim that down to those below .210. Now we have 29 players, and a manageable and interesting list of players.
Season | Name | PA | HR | SB | BB% | K% | AVG | OBP | ISO | wRC+ | WAR |
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2014 | Kyle Seager | 654 | 25 | 7 | 8.0% | 18.0% | 0.268 | 0.334 | 0.186 | 127 | 5.4 |
2007 | Troy Tulowitzki | 682 | 24 | 7 | 8.4% | 19.1% | 0.291 | 0.359 | 0.189 | 109 | 5.2 |
1977 | Chet Lemon | 627 | 19 | 8 | 8.3% | 14.2% | 0.273 | 0.343 | 0.186 | 117 | 5.0 |
2005 | Felipe Lopez | 648 | 23 | 15 | 8.8% | 17.1% | 0.291 | 0.352 | 0.195 | 116 | 4.7 |
2016 | Anthony Rendon | 647 | 20 | 12 | 10.0% | 18.1% | 0.270 | 0.348 | 0.180 | 112 | 4.7 |
1984 | Chili Davis | 546 | 21 | 12 | 7.7% | 13.6% | 0.315 | 0.368 | 0.192 | 148 | 4.6 |
1983 | Willie Upshaw | 655 | 27 | 10 | 9.3% | 15.0% | 0.306 | 0.373 | 0.209 | 137 | 4.5 |
2006 | Dan Uggla | 683 | 27 | 6 | 7.0% | 18.0% | 0.282 | 0.339 | 0.198 | 110 | 4.2 |
1979 | Lance Parrish | 548 | 19 | 6 | 8.9% | 19.2% | 0.276 | 0.343 | 0.181 | 113 | 4.2 |
2004 | Vernon Wells | 590 | 23 | 9 | 8.6% | 14.1% | 0.272 | 0.337 | 0.200 | 106 | 4.0 |
1981 | Chet Lemon | 383 | 9 | 5 | 8.6% | 12.5% | 0.302 | 0.384 | 0.189 | 154 | 3.9 |
2000 | Adrian Beltre | 575 | 20 | 12 | 9.7% | 13.9% | 0.290 | 0.360 | 0.184 | 116 | 3.9 |
2010 | Ryan Braun | 685 | 25 | 14 | 8.2% | 15.3% | 0.304 | 0.365 | 0.197 | 134 | 3.8 |
1987 | Kevin Mitchell | 515 | 22 | 9 | 9.3% | 17.1% | 0.280 | 0.350 | 0.194 | 121 | 3.8 |
2006 | Ryan Zimmerman | 682 | 20 | 11 | 8.9% | 17.6% | 0.287 | 0.351 | 0.184 | 112 | 3.8 |
1977 | Ruppert Jones | 664 | 24 | 13 | 8.3% | 18.1% | 0.263 | 0.324 | 0.191 | 108 | 3.7 |
2008 | Joey Votto | 589 | 24 | 7 | 10.0% | 17.3% | 0.297 | 0.368 | 0.209 | 124 | 3.6 |
2011 | Matt Joyce | 522 | 19 | 13 | 9.4% | 20.3% | 0.277 | 0.347 | 0.201 | 126 | 3.6 |
2000 | Miguel Tejada | 681 | 30 | 6 | 9.7% | 15.0% | 0.275 | 0.349 | 0.204 | 109 | 3.5 |
2008 | Andre Ethier | 596 | 20 | 6 | 9.9% | 14.8% | 0.305 | 0.375 | 0.206 | 134 | 3.4 |
1991 | Luis Gonzalez | 526 | 13 | 10 | 7.6% | 19.2% | 0.254 | 0.320 | 0.180 | 113 | 3.4 |
2009 | Hunter Pence | 647 | 25 | 14 | 9.0% | 16.8% | 0.282 | 0.346 | 0.190 | 117 | 3.3 |
1990 | Ellis Burks | 641 | 21 | 9 | 7.5% | 12.8% | 0.296 | 0.349 | 0.190 | 127 | 3.3 |
2000 | Mike Sweeney | 717 | 29 | 8 | 9.9% | 9.3% | 0.333 | 0.407 | 0.189 | 129 | 3.3 |
1976 | Dwight Evans | 571 | 17 | 6 | 10.0% | 16.1% | 0.242 | 0.324 | 0.190 | 112 | 3.1 |
1994 | Ivan Rodriguez | 405 | 16 | 6 | 7.7% | 10.4% | 0.298 | 0.360 | 0.190 | 112 | 3.0 |
1982 | Harold Baines | 668 | 25 | 10 | 7.3% | 14.2% | 0.271 | 0.321 | 0.197 | 109 | 2.8 |
2016 | Stephen Piscotty | 649 | 22 | 7 | 7.9% | 20.5% | 0.273 | 0.343 | 0.184 | 115 | 2.8 |
1999 | Mike Sweeney | 643 | 22 | 6 | 8.4% | 7.5% | 0.322 | 0.387 | 0.198 | 128 | 2.7 |
1988 | Kevin Mitchell | 566 | 19 | 5 | 8.5% | 15.0% | 0.251 | 0.319 | 0.190 | 119 | 2.6 |
1986 | Darnell Coles | 587 | 20 | 6 | 7.7% | 14.3% | 0.273 | 0.333 | 0.180 | 114 | 2.6 |
2004 | Omar Infante | 556 | 16 | 13 | 7.2% | 20.1% | 0.264 | 0.317 | 0.185 | 98 | 1.9 |
Non active players with fewer than ten wins are actually not that easy to find on Piscotty’s list: Darnell Coles didn’t work out, nor did Felipe Lopez really. Maybe Matt Joyce, Willie Upshaw, and Omar Infante don’t float your boat. They still had valuable seasons, but weren’t great fantasy forces, giving The Piscotty about an 82% chance of being useful going forward.
Here’s the problem with the list: There aren’t many stars here. While The Polanco was in a bin with Hall of Famers, we’ve got Adrian Beltre, Miguel Tejada, and Ryan Braun headlining this list. Braun and his complicated career aside, there’s a lot of defense helping the first two.
The names that pop out for me are Andre Ethier, Luis Gonzalez, and Mike Sweeney — useful players that had a couple star-level seasons among them, but were more back-end role players in a fantasy sense, at least in the normal year. Call it a high floor, low ceiling type of package, and you’ll probably evaluate him correctly going forward.
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Eno – Any comment on Duvall’s defensive value? He registered pretty terrific numbers this year. In fact, it appears he was the best LF in baseball by some measures. Obviously, doesn’t matter in fantasy but it does bear on his Dynasty value. Do you think that was likely something of a fluke, given his lack of a track record or obvious athleticism?
1) There aren’t a lot of left fielders. 2) I doubt it. I bet he’s scratch at best next year.