Slow Burn: A Look at My Ottoneu Build

I hesitate to call anything in Ottoneu a rebuild, especially in our Fangraphs Experts League II (linear weights) just because it hasn’t been around long enough for anyone to really “rebuild.” I finished third in the league’s inaugural year (2012), but had slumped to sixth the next season before bottoming out at 10th out of 12 teams a season ago.

I’ve long made youth a big part of how I conduct business — most certainly to a fault — but that really started to pay off in 2015. With a roster that appeared likely to finish in the middle of the pack with strong possibility of finishing strong, I was at least semi-enthused about my chances to make progress this season and perhaps a run in 2016.

I finished fourth, and in doing so basically held that spot pretty much all season. I was comfortably in the second tier in the league, as the graphic below will show (click to embiggen), but there is one thing that’ll work to my advantage.

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The three teams that you see above me in the standings are, in order this far above the $400 threshold for next season: $148 (Brad Johnson), $295 (Chad Young) and $93 (Cody Wiewandt). I on the other hand am a cool $2 over, thanks in large part to a painfully conservative draft last year. Still, I think I’ll have room to add a superstar that could push me over the hump. And that might not be such a high hump given the players each team ahead of me will have to pare from their roster.

Let me preface this by saying I’ve certainly made some mistakes. For some reason this spring I traded a $4 Rougned Odor and $2 Tyler Glasnow for a $2 A.J. Cole and $17 Russell Martin. I managed to work that into a positive for the future by flipping Martin for a $9 Devin Mesoraco, but it’s still not a deal I’m exactly proud of. Granted, with the middle infield depth that I’ll share in a bit, it becomes slightly more defensible.

I’ve also made some good or otherwise interesting deals in recent history. I flipped Brad an $8 Hisashi Iwakuma for a same-priced Danny Salazar in May 2014, and stemmed the tide long enough to reap the benefits of late. Also, Brad sent me an $18 David Wright for nothing this June when he was in a bit of a financial bind, and I’ll be interested to see how that works into the future. Beyond acquiring and moving Martin and making the Wright pickup, I was pretty quiet on the trade front this year. Granted, I rejected quite a few (29) trades. Even with 40-man rosters, I’m really picky about the players I roster.

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Another strategy I had this year with relievers was that I wasn’t going to be too picky about them. That’ll have to change most definitely, but in a season where I was very unlikely to contend, I wasn’t also going to worry too much about my bullpen. I did pick up guys on fliers over the course of the season, but I wasn’t always concerned about having a full bullpen if I felt I could use a roster spot on a better long-term chip.

Probably the shrewdest in-season pickups I made were picking up $6 Starlin Castro and Brett Lawrie in the last week of the season. With cash to burn and relievers to cut (or in this case, an overpriced Alex Meyer), it made sense for me to gamble on a couple guys that are still relatively young. I think it might pay off with Castro, though with Lawrie I’m less sure. He’s still so unbelievably young. Damn 1990s kids.

Anyway, that’s enough of me waxing poetic. Here’s my current roster. Since we’re in arbitration allocation season, I’m not about to disclose my likely cuts, but I’d love to hear opinions. What would you do? Who would you target or what positions, both in the draft and via trade?

Hitters (by price):

OF Bryce Harper – $45
1B Adrian Gonzalez – $22
3B David Wright – $20
1B/OF Wil Myers – $18
3B/SS Manny Machado – $15
SS Xander Bogaerts – $14
OF Gregory Polanco – $14
C Yasmani Grandal – $12
3B/OF Yasmany Tomas – $12
OF Byron Buxton – $12
C Devin Mesoraco – $11
3B Miguel Sano – $10
OF Billy Hamilton – $9
2B Brian Dozier – $9
2B/SS Starlin Castro – $8
OF A.J. Pollock – $8
2B/3B Brett Lawrie – $8
SS Carlos Correa – $7
2B/OF/SS Brad Miller – $5
OF Raimel Tapia – $5
3B Yunel Escobar – $3
OF Aaron Hicks – $3
1B Joe Mauer – $3

Pitchers:

SP Gerrit Cole – $21
SP Danny Salazar – $12
RP Glen Perkins – $11
SP Alex Wood – $11
SP Lucas Giolito – $8
SP Archie Bradley – $8
SP Andrew Heaney – $8
SP Jon Gray – $7
SP Garrett Richards – $7
RP Sean Doolittle – $7
SP Shelby Miller – $6
SP Julio Urias – $4
SP Matt Moore – $4
SP Hunter Harvey – $3
RP Liam Hendriks – $3
SP/RP Trevor May – $3
SP Jose Berrios – $3
RP Keone Kela – $3

So clearly the pitching will need a little help. I think one more top-flight starter and one more solid outfielder could put me in the driver’s seat for next year’s title.

What do you think?





In addition to Rotographs, Warne writes about the Minnesota Twins for The Athletic and is a sportswriter for Sportradar U.S. in downtown Minneapolis. Follow him on Twitter @Brandon_Warne, or feel free to email him to do podcasts or for any old reason at brandon.r.warne@gmail-dot-com

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Sellys
10 years ago

How are people able to finish 295 dollars above the cap? That doesn’t sound very cappy.

Also seeing Machado, Correa, Dozier, Pollock at those prices made my eyes go O.O

CC AFCMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Sellys

The other team can “loan” $ for that year to cover the cost. So if my teams sucks and I want rebuild and trade my $17 Russ Martin for your $9 mesoraco, but that would put you over the cap, then I can plan you $8 to cover the cost. Just for that year, though. It doesn’t carry over for the next year.

Sellys
10 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Figured it was something like that. I wonder how badly CY mortgaged the future with that payroll.

Chad YoungFanGraphs Staff
10 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I could probably write about this, but my expected lineup for next year includes martin, rizzo, frazier, chris davis, belt, JDM, granderson, jose abreu, and a rotation of lynn, archer, carrasco, lackey, with a pen of rosenthal, melancon, giles, betances. i’ve also got some prospects in zimmer, mazara and a bunch of decisions to make on guys i like who aren’t stars, per se (michael taylor, colabello, gyorko, etc.) and I expect to be able to hold at least one, probably two of my big stars (miggy, stanton, posey, felix).

So…I gave up a lot but I don’t think the future is that dim.

CC AFCMember since 2016
10 years ago

I would certainly be looking at dealing from middle infield strength. Boegarts, machado, and correa would all command a freaking haul. I don’t know trees anything I’d trade correa for, but maybe machado as a hedge against losing SS eligibility in the future or injury? I’d want the moon for him, but considering you could go correa, boegarts, dozier for your 3 mi slots…

Chad YoungFanGraphs Staff
10 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

agreed – I would probably target an expensive player on Chad’s team.

Just saying…

Brad JohnsonMember
10 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I hear Mike Trout and/or Clayton Kershaw may be available.

CC AFCMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Ha, Machado and Rizzo look like awfully good fits on one another’s team. I’m available for mediations

SS is a black hole
10 years ago

I know who I would cut (maybe), but it’s hard to make suggestions regarding which players to target without knowing who is a free agent and the salaries of the players owned….and I’m guessing that most you would target are owned.
Even the cuts depend on who is available as a replacement/upgrade.

Nelson S.
10 years ago

For me-
Garanteed Cuts:
Tapia, Archie Bradley, Grey, May, Hendricks.

Borderline cuts: Wood, Lawrie, Mauer, Hicks, Myers, Kela

james
10 years ago
Reply to  Nelson S.

why so low on Tapia. He is still about a year out, but is a 15hr/30sb type of player in Colorado. Some of the prospect gurus love his upside (I have seen people even higher on him that that) and the fact that he is going to be playing in coors. Their OF is pretty set, but Dickerson is injury prone (safe to say at this point), and Blackmon has not played long enough to know if it is a mirage (one of the fantasy places I read had him as a top 5 prospect a few ago, highest I saw anyone on him at the time, so their are elite tools there)

Jabronies
10 years ago
Reply to  james

Hell cost 5$ this year. 6 or 7 in 2017 just to sit on your bench. Sure he has tools, but he was nowhere on the last round of mid-season prospect updates from most propect gurus. Its just too much of my budget that Id want to devote to a very risky prospect

Spa City
10 years ago

I know Tapia gets a lot of respect here, but I still cannot figure out why. He is not young for his level (high A). He refuses to draw walks. He has modest power. He is fast, but not game-changing, Billy Hamilton fast. He will cost you $5 next year, and he is at least 2 years away from the majors. I trust your judgment above my own, but I would be surprised if you kept him.

I would cut Adrian Gonzalez due to his declining power and BB rate, and the relative ease of obtaining a decent 1B. Adrian will give you .270/.340/.450, which is fine but far from elite. For the same reasons I would cut David Wright. You can get them back for lower prices, or stick someone else with an overpriced declining slugger.

You do not need Hunter Harvey, Trevor May, Jon Gray (at $7), Matt Moore, Yunel Escobar, Aaron Hicks or Yasmany Tomas (at $12). You are better off with the cash and roster space.

You are incredibly well endowed at shortstop, 2B and MI. Impressive package of middle infielders at amazingly low salaries. I suspect you will get hit with some arbitration dollars at those positions.

james
10 years ago
Reply to  Spa City

While I am not a huge Yasmany fan, I think $12 is a pretty good price for him. If he still holds 3b (and therefore CI) he has some added position flexibility that would bump him into a good price for his services. I do think he is better than last season, and with the position flexibility, he does not need much growth to be worth that price.

Seeing Harvey a few times in AA this season, he is a rollercoaster. After one start I thought he would be in the bigs, then the next two I saw he was terrible. He either has his stuff on a night, or is a mess. THat is all feel, and something that is learned in the minors. I remember when Madbum reached the bigs, his rookie season (and I think 2nd year too) were the same way, either pitched a gem or was pulled in 3 innings after giving up 5 runs.

May ang Grey are easy cuts imho.

Moore is another tough one. That is dirt cheap for a former ace, that is really young, and coming off his first TJ. He also already had some starts last year since the surgery, so we know that he is healthy enough to pitch again, it is just a matter of getting back to where he was. He was a $15-20 pitcher, so even discounting that he will be only at 140 or so innings next year (so down to a $10 pitcher) the risk knocks another $5 off the price, but we still have a $5 starter for $4, not a bad kept player

Bartolo ColonMember since 2025
10 years ago

I’d wait on Yunel to see if he’s going to play MI for somebody this season. If so, his value jumps. I’d also considering holding Hicks as OF depth because past Harper and Pollock, you’ve got questions there for 2016. Maybe Myers, Polanco and Buxton break through this year, maybe not. If it’s me, I’m listening on those guys. I’d also consider whether this is the offseason I deal Giolito, Urias or Berrios to shore up my OF, SP and RP. You have a great base of affordable hitters and a core of SP in Cole, Miller, Salazar and Richards that gives you a great chance to contend. Now’s the time to be aggressive in the offseason and build as much as possible through trades.

kdm628496
10 years ago

can we keep quiet about machado having SS eligibility next year, at least until arbitration is over?

indyralphMember since 2016
10 years ago

I think you are Twins fan (?), Brandon, so you may not want to hear this. I think you should sell Buxton hard to a true believer. Steamer projects him at .307 wOBA, which is Austin Jackson, Torii Hunter, replacement level territory. You might be able to get a couple good cheap pitchers in return for what is projected to be, at $12, a negative asset.